2021 NBA Draft

No-Man · Post #1581 » by **No-Man** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:26 pm

Duarte is kinda the same as Francisco Garcia was in teerms of situation and he still brought 1st round valeu back, i think age at some point doesnt matter, Duarte late 1st would be fine, teams like Utah, Phoenix, Phila, Brooklyn, drafting there will def look at him

Stillwater · Post #1582 » by **Stillwater** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:34 pm

clyde21 wrote:
TheZachAttack wrote:Is Duarte for the Ducks draftable?

yes, both he and Richardson are

the Williams kid is interesting also probably in 22

Stillwater · Post #1583 » by **Stillwater** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:38 pm

E-Balla wrote:Mobley ain't athletic enough to be like KG.. Athletic but not a freaky athlete like KG was. Not nearly the passer he is but that can improve.

I think he is more athletic tbh just not as consistently explosive in game or as nasty. I will be very curious to see if we can get a 40" standing vert on record for Mobley because he clearly has close to it imo

clyde21 · Post #1584 » by **clyde21** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:42 pm

Oregon is 11-3 since Richardson came back

if he declares he should be a 1st rounder full stop.

clyde21 · Post #1585 » by **clyde21** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:43 pm

also Garza sucks, if there is such a thing as an empty stats player it's Garza.

now sure why it's not Wieskamp that's getting NBA talk on that team, pretty clearly a much better prospect.

E-Balla · Post #1586 » by **E-Balla** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:05 pm

Stillwater wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Mobley ain't athletic enough to be like KG.. Athletic but not a freaky athlete like KG was. Not nearly the passer he is but that can improve.

I think he is more athletic tbh just not as consistently explosive in game or as nasty. I will be very curious to see if we can get a 40" standing vert on record for Mobley because he clearly has close to it imo

His mobility is great but not even approaching KG.

clyde21 · Post #1587 » by **clyde21** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:40 pm

Mobley is starting to get really underrated

CP War Hawks · Post #1588 » by **CP War Hawks** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:48 pm

Duarte is almost 24 which scares me if I'm a GM. He's playing against some guys he's 4-5 years older than. Let's be honest, a 24 year old g leaguer/NBA bench guy would destroy it in NCAA play right now.

Post #1589 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:13 pm

I think I have my final top 5

1. Kuminga
2. Mobley
3. Green
4. Suggs
5. Cade

reamily · Post #1590 » by **reamily** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:36 pm

Im ok with jalen at 3 no matter who drafts first..

nolang1 · Post #1591 » by **nolang1** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:52 am

CP War Hawks wrote:Duarte is almost 24 which scares me if I'm a GM. He's playing against some guys he's 4-5 years older than. Let's be honest, a 24 year old g leaguer/NBA bench guy would destroy it in NCAA play right now.

If someone is destroying a lower level of competition by scoring a ton of points and having the ball in their hands all the time, that's irrelevant if they're not good enough to play like that in the NBA. Duarte can shoot, move off the ball, and defend well, which is what you want from a role player.

DCasey91 · Post #1592 » by **DCasey91** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:09 am

Duke4life831 wrote:I think I have my final top 5

1. Kuminga
2. Mobley
3. Green
4. Suggs
5. Cade

All five are excellent choices imo not much separates all five. Obv some are further along their development curve. Some have way better profiles/ceilings moving forward too.

High on Kuminga I like that

Basically would be one of the youngest in next year’s draft.

The only trouble is if they all hit their ceilings it’s gotta be Green bar none right? Green has top 3 pure SG ala Beal type ceiling.

I see Kuminga as Gay with elite defensive potential. that can handle the rock very very similar to Cade minus the shooting/leadership and exchange that with a better athletic profile/younger.

Post #1593 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:13 am

DCasey91 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:I think I have my final top 5

1. Kuminga
2. Mobley
3. Green
4. Suggs
5. Cade

All five are excellent choices imo not much separates all five. Obv some are further along their development curve. Some have way better profiles/ceilings moving forward too.

High on Kuminga I like that Basically would be one of the youngest in next year’s draft.

The only trouble is if they all hit their ceilings it’s gotta be Green bar none right? Green has top 3 pure SG ala Beal type ceiling.

I see Kuminga as Gay with elite defensive potential. that can handle the rock very very similar to Cade minus the shooting/leadership and exchange that with a better athletic profile/younger.

Ya I can see how anyone might have any of these 5 guys #1 (yes I know Fisch you think thats crazy...).

Green probably has the highest ceiling, but even with that I think you can make solid arguments for multiple guys. Kuminga can be that 2 way 6'8 athletic wings. Mobley can really be a do it all big that is elite on both ends as well.

But ya Green with that athleticism probably has the highest ceiling.

TouchPassDario · Post #1594 » by **TouchPassDario** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:52 am

God Squad wrote:I have friends ask me to give them a comparison for the top 5 since the Raps could potential snag one and it's extremely difficult without over hyping each guy.

Green - Hard to pin point, but gives me generational guard/wing prospect vibes. You name them.
Mobley - Two way PF in the mold of KG?
Cade - Grant Hill comparisons are pretty on point, although I thought Hill was more athletic.
Suggs - Kidd's passing with non prime Derrick Rose aestheticism?
Kuminga - Another hard comp. Some say Kawhi due to frame and defensive potential. But I thought his offense wasn't polished for the most part, and his defense was alright. Draft Net comps him to Pascal Siakim and I'm not sure I buy that one either.

Grant Hill had a lightning fast first step. Cade is more like Nets-era Paul Pierce.

Upperclass · Post #1595 » by **Upperclass** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:31 am

ironically Jalen Green reminds me of Grant Hill. Mobley is Camby imo.. Suggs.. reallly looks like J Kidd.. but will probably be more Billups.. Cade .. Otto Porter/Evan Turner if his shot doesnt translate.. Josh Christopher reminds me of Donovan Mitchell..

Dat2U · Post #1596 » by **Dat2U** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:02 am

Fischella wrote:Cade closest comp is Paul Pierce, PP was a bit more athletic vertically but it still works

Mobley is somewhere between John Salley and Pau Gasol

I like Granger for Kuminga if his shooting gets to that point

LaVine for Jalen Green

BRoy for Suggs

I swear you just picked two of the most random names you could think of for Mobley. There's literally nothing that reminds me of John Salley or Pau Gasol when watching Evan Mobley. Salley had a different frame, build and no where near the offensive skill. Pau was an ultra skilled post player and completely different body type. Just terrible comparisons.

The Granger one for Kuminga is also just wild and out of no where.

Dat2U · Post #1597 » by **Dat2U** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:10 am

TouchPassDario wrote:
God Squad wrote:I have friends ask me to give them a comparison for the top 5 since the Raps could potential snag one and it's extremely difficult without over hyping each guy.

Green - Hard to pin point, but gives me generational guard/wing prospect vibes. You name them.
Mobley - Two way PF in the mold of KG?
Cade - Grant Hill comparisons are pretty on point, although I thought Hill was more athletic.
Suggs - Kidd's passing with non prime Derrick Rose aestheticism?
Kuminga - Another hard comp. Some say Kawhi due to frame and defensive potential. But I thought his offense wasn't polished for the most part, and his defense was alright. Draft Net comps him to Pascal Siakim and I'm not sure I buy that one either.

Grant Hill had a lightning fast first step. Cade is more like Nets-era Paul Pierce.

Another terrible comparison. Hill was a slasher first and foremost who could make open shots. Electric first step meant he could get by anyone. Cade is uses polish and elite skill to create opportunities and doesn't have the explosive first step.

James Harden coming into the league would be a comparable tho Cade has 2 inches on him. Plays at his own rhythm and cannot be sped up. Obviously Harden has only added to his game while in the league but Harden coming out of ASU had a similar skill level with questions about his athleticism and ability to step up in big games.

No-Man · Post #1598 » by **No-Man** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:07 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Fischella wrote:Cade closest comp is Paul Pierce, PP was a bit more athletic vertically but it still works

Mobley is somewhere between John Salley and Pau Gasol

I like Granger for Kuminga if his shooting gets to that point

LaVine for Jalen Green

BRoy for Suggs

I swear you just picked two of the most random names you could think of for Mobley. There's literally nothing that reminds me of John Salley or Pau Gasol when watching Evan Mobley. Salley had a different frame, build and no where near the offensive skill. Pau was an ultra skilled post player and completely different body type. Just terrible comparisons.

The Granger one for Kuminga is also just wild and out of no where.

Yeah, you didn't watch Pau Gasol at age 18-20 obviously

Dat2U · Post #1599 » by **Dat2U** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:22 pm

Fischella wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
Fischella wrote:Cade closest comp is Paul Pierce, PP was a bit more athletic vertically but it still works

Mobley is somewhere between John Salley and Pau Gasol

I like Granger for Kuminga if his shooting gets to that point

LaVine for Jalen Green

BRoy for Suggs

I swear you just picked two of the most random names you could think of for Mobley. There's literally nothing that reminds me of John Salley or Pau Gasol when watching Evan Mobley. Salley had a different frame, build and no where near the offensive skill. Pau was an ultra skilled post player and completely different body type. Just terrible comparisons.

The Granger one for Kuminga is also just wild and out of no where.

Yeah, you didn't watch Pau Gasol at age 18-20 obviously

I'm old enough to remember a young Pau. His defense was a major question at that time. Your comparison is just laughable. Do better.

No-Man · Post #1600 » by **No-Man** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:28 pm

No, you didn't watch Pau coming up in Spain and his first years with FCB, I did, since well, I happen to be spanish and I was the right age at the time

Lmao at his defense being a question mark

Also Salley as a young player had a similar frame and he obviously brought similar tools to the table on D