what makes me a troll ? that i dont like the player u were trying to exaggerate and think kanter is better like every1 including nba gms ?
Saying that Valanciunas lacks the talent and can only hope to reach 'Hakeem' Kanter level seems like trolling to me.
yes strength is a part of Kanters game but the key reason why he dominates in the paint is bcoz of his great fundamentals and foot work plus when he gets drafted he can hit the gym and gets even more bulked its not like strength wont be a part of his game anymore in the nba, on the other hand players like jonas with long arms its too hard for that kind of players to gain weight for example andrei kirilenko,tayshoun prince
I agree that for the long wingspan players it is harder to gain weight, but it is also clear that on the youth level the players who mater faster than the others have tremendious advantage and can pull great stats. Good example Karnowski - who had a great stats because of his mass but when he needed to step up on the level where the mass equals around as in grown up had serious struggles.
in 2008 u 16 championship jonas MVPed bcoz his team was better and they won the championship otherwise kanter got better numbers than him in that tournament, in 2010 kanter didnt join that tourny he was in the US that time
eh, you know that Kanter didnt play in 2010 do you? I wouldn't be so sure if Valanciunas would have won the award in 2010 if Kanter played as well. Because Valanciunas played for a lithuanian team with a lot of talented and good players. But Kanter would have been definitely more valuable for turkey than Jonas was for Lithuania. And I'm sure that Kanter would have had better stats in 2010 than Valanciunas.
Having better stats on weak team is always easier than having good stats on the strong one.
Kanter would have not won 2010 MVP for the same reason he didnt win it in 2008. Your stats can be better than others but its the players who are leaders on the strong, contending teams that get the MVP. Unless those teams do not have sticking out players and yet Lithuania does.
Lithuania would have torn turkey apart considering how they were playing all tournament long and that it was one their home soil.
They played their worst game against serbia for 36 or so minutes and started playing their game only when the time was running out and still grabbed a win, erasing the double digit point difference with ease.
hes not training alone,studying and traning in the university of Kentucy
I know he is not training alone, yet it still doenst stimulate the level of the Euroleague games by far.
almost %70 of the top 10 prospect in this draft have played against college guys so according to ur argument jonas must be number 1 pick since he played against better players in euro league right ?
ur really funny keep on talking u make me laugh
It doenst make him a number one pick but it makes him a quite stable and known pick as compared to the guy who last played competitive basketball in two years, dominated the all-star game between same year olds and has only good performances on the youth level two years ago to boast about.
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ol u just repeating urself in every post u made yea we got it he shoot 200 ft every day and got good work ethic anything else ? thought so
hes just a simple center with nothing special lets compare him to a random guy in NBA, lets say ibaka
Athletism: ibaka better
Rebounding: ibaka better
Defense: ibaka better
Strength: ibaka better
Post Moves: Same ?
If you would compare Kanter to the same random ibaka you would find that Ibaka is also better in each of those aspects with an exception of postal moves.
Kanter was only third in scoring because he had a couple of games in the group stage against low calibre opponents where he didnt play that much. Otherwise he would have been the clear leader in scoring, thats out of question. And his rebounding numbers would have been just incredible.
From the quarterfinals on in 4 games his averages were nearly 28 Points and 19 Rebounds.
If you look at minutes Valanciunas played even less average minutes than Kanter did (same reason as you mentioned - games against low level opponents thus no need to keep leaders).
Kanter dominated every team and player he has faced in his career. So i don't really see the problem with his individual play. It doesn't mean that he's a bad team player. And the second part applies to Kanter too. He has great intangibles and never complains to his teammates or the refs.
Its not a bad thing to be an individual dominant player but you need to have a team built around you in such case. Valanciunas is more fitting in that sense because he doenst dominate the ball and is perfectly fine with just rebounding and securing the defense.
Different types of players really and doesnt mean that one is better than the other. If you want to get a dominant player around whom you want to build a team Knater is actually better (or at least was, I am still sceptical about him until I see him play on the high level again), but players like Valanciunas also doesn't come easy - great player who can dominant if he is asked to but can blend with the team, making it better as a unit.
But don't understand me wrong. I really like Valanciunas as a player. I think he can become a great player in the NBAbut to me Kanter is the better player. He can do things that Valanciunas probably wont ever be able to do. But at the same time Valanciunas will always be the better athlete and defender. But all in all in my opinion Kanter is and will be better.
But everytime I read this thread i get the impression that some people are desperately trying to make Valanciunas look better than Kanter and make Kanter bad.
No I think Kanter will be a greta talent however, his current level still remains in question, because neither you nor I had the chance to see him on the high level games apart from the all-star hoops which though reveals talents like Nowitzki also can make players like Macvan shine, thus keeping it as a not so very secure evaluation tool.
It is closer to NBA game athleticism but the general level is still lower than that of Euroleague.
