Frank Kaminsky

brackdan70 · Post #161 » by **brackdan70** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 4:21 am

RSCD3_ wrote:
Marcus wrote:
RSCD3_ wrote:I'd take him over KAT

why?

Far better offensively

Not as good on defense but Karl Anthony towns isn't some DPOY prospect, at best he's an above average guy

You don't want to pass on the next dirk

The next Dirk?. When Dirk was 22 he was averaging 21 points and 9 boards in the NBA. Kaminsky is 22 now. I don't think he ever gets to that level. Could be a solid NBA player, but not a star.

Dcebucks11 · Post #162 » by **Dcebucks11** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 4:27 am

Noway you take Kaminsky over KAT, Kaminskys defense is brutal, but his offense is much better. KAT has limited post moves right now, and is all dunks / layups.. Kaminsky is much more skilled offensively right now.

Upperclass · Post #163 » by **Upperclass** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 6:12 am

The thing about the Hawes comparisons are that Hawes was a much better prospect at 18, than Kaminsky is at 22. Also Hawes was thicker, a post player primarily, with great footwork and post moves, but also had a nice stroke AND could pass.. I dont see any of that from Kaminsky, who looks to me like a Tyler Zelleresque player, though more perimeter oriented.

Leslie Forman · Post #164 » by **Leslie Forman** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 7:02 am

A center with terrible physical tools who plays no defense that's 22 and was never talked about as even a first rounder until his senior season?

I'm staying the hell away if I'm an NBA GM. Even if the guy pans out his ceiling is so low that the teams who draft a bust before him won't really care.

DirtyDez · Post #165 » by **DirtyDez** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 8:23 am

Dcebucks11 wrote:Noway you take Kaminsky over KAT, Kaminskys defense is brutal, but his offense is much better. KAT has limited post moves right now, and is all dunks / layups.. Kaminsky is much more skilled offensively right now.

Projection > production when comparing a freshman and senior. Towns at 22 will be a physical monster like Bynum was with the same soft touch. You can't put them in the same breath as prospects.

bigballa3jj · Post #166 » by **bigballa3jj** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 8:48 am

He's obviously not a top 5 pick or a franchise player, but he can certainly help a team in the middle of the 1st round who needs a big who can hit shots and space the floor.

Post #167 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 7:43 pm

Ultimately will be a limited player, but clear NBA role and can make a fairly immediate impact.

Feel the same about Cauley-Stein, it depends on if a team needs offense or defense - although people generally value defense more from their bigs.

Ettorefm · Post #168 » by **Ettorefm** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 8:25 pm

Kamisky can only thrive if he's the product of slow expectations. I really hope for his career he gets drafted way below his actual value
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He doesn't have a big upside, and has too many holes in his game to be a game changer. However, if he gets drafted by a contender and slowly gets inserted into the rotation, he can be a very, very good player such as guys like Speights, Brandon Wright, Splitter, etc..
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If he gets drafted top 12, forget it. He'll disappoint the fans that expect a future starter and won't get chances beyond that.
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Summarizing it, #9 for Charlotte bad, #19 for the Wizards GREAT
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EDIT: There is one exception in my logic - I forgot the pacers will probably have the #10 pick. They're not a rebuilding team, they're a playoff team as George is back. Great player to draft there, the bigman rotation is solid and he'll have plenty of time to develop and take Scola's minutes as he gets older/traded

god4gives · Post #169 » by **god4gives** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 9:14 pm

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Post #170 » by **Marcus** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 10:10 pm

Ettorefm wrote:has too many holes in his game to be a game changer.

what are the holes you see in his game?

Notanoob · Post #171 » by **Notanoob** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 11:02 pm

Marcus wrote:
Ettorefm wrote:has too many holes in his game to be a game changer.

what are the holes you see in his game?

His flaws are a lack of strength which will limit how much he can do in the post in the NBA, not great leaping ability limiting his shot-blocking, and not fantastic foot speed or lateral speed limiting his ability to guard quick PFs and guard against the pick and roll.

Ettorefm · Post #172 » by **Ettorefm** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 4:13 am

Notanoob wrote:
Marcus wrote:
Ettorefm wrote:has too many holes in his game to be a game changer.

what are the holes you see in his game?

His flaws are a lack of strength which will limit how much he can do in the post in the NBA, not great leaping ability limiting his shot-blocking, and not fantastic foot speed or lateral speed limiting his ability to guard quick PFs and guard against the pick and roll.

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Didn't even have to answer. That was EXACTLY my scouting report, minus the lack of strength - never paid much attention to that as a big flaw, Notanoob opened my eyes and made me watch complete footage of the last two games focusing on his post positioning and backing down.
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Flawless analysis. Now I agree completely, he has some problems establishing position and gets easily taken out of the paint

mattg · Post #173 » by **mattg** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 4:46 am

Marcus wrote:
Ettorefm wrote:has too many holes in his game to be a game changer.

what are the holes you see in his game?

He has one move he does 90% of the time. If he isn't shooting a J or taking a lay up he's going to spin to his right. Literally every single time. Not sure why NCAA teams don't sit on his right side and force him to go left or go through their chest but it's really dumb and poor defense. He's gonna knock down Js, attack close outs with straight line drives, and punish bad defenders who don't play him for the aforementioned spin, but no one should expect anything else or they will be disappointed.

Also he is not a center unless you're banking on Drew gooden caliber defense on your interior, he just can't keep guys from getting phenomenal position whenever they want it.

atlantabbq99 · Post #174 » by **atlantabbq99** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 12:06 pm

I'm not that high on Kaminsky, but if Wisconsin does well against Duke, it will be funny that Kaminsky did so well against the future #1 and #2 pick of this draft, and Kaminsky is only projected as a late first round pick.

Post #175 » by **pacers33granger** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 12:45 pm

Ettorefm wrote:.
EDIT: There is one exception in my logic - I forgot the pacers will probably have the #10 pick. They're not a rebuilding team, they're a playoff team as George is back. Great player to draft there, the bigman rotation is solid and he'll have plenty of time to develop and take Scola's minutes as he gets older/traded

I'm really hoping we stay away from him. Could be a nice role player, but after Bird took Hansbrough with a lotto pick and let younger potential guys like Holiday fall I'm weary of 4 year guys with limited upside. Probably not fair to Kaminsky, but I see a lot of guys I'd rather gamble on than using a lotto pick on a guy who may become a solid bench big.

Scola is also expiring, so we may not have him next year.

Dat2U · Post #176 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 12:56 pm

tong po wrote:A center with terrible physical tools who plays no defense that's 22 and was never talked about as even a first rounder until his senior season?

I'm staying the hell away if I'm an NBA GM. Even if the guy pans out his ceiling is so low that the teams who draft a bust before him won't really care.

Kelly Olynyk says hi.

greenandgold · Post #177 » by **greenandgold** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:41 pm

Kaminsky has the classic bust profile:

1) 4 year player who overperforms in the NCAA tournament.

2) White American Center

3) Low steals rate, low block rate for a center.

Historically, the best sign that a college player is going to turn into a productive NBA player? Check out his freshman and sophomore years. Kaminsky was a footnote those years.

It will be interesting to see what dumb teams takes him in the lottery. Indiana? Utah? White heroes play well to their fanbases.

Cammo101 · Post #178 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:46 pm

I think Kaminsky can absolutely play in the NBA. He is too skilled not to find a role. He won't be an all star, but he can be a solid starter. He is a matchup nightmare. He made everybody's All American Karl Anthony Towns look like he'd never defended a day in his life, and that is his calling card right now. That kind of offensive skill set will translate to the NBA.

Also, Kaminsky is a stronger defender than people in this thread are giving him credit for. He won't be making an All Defensive Teams, but he is a quality team defender who uses his body well and boxes out well.

Is Frank a top 5 pick? No, he's not athletic enough to be that. But, a 7 footer with his skill set has no business falling out of the lottery IMO.

campybatman · Post #179 » by **campybatman** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 3:13 pm

I can't believe he'd won the Associated Press Player Of The Year and the Naismith Player Of The Year and he isn't even projected to be selected among the top ten or fifteen (depending on the site) in this year's draft. I guess that other candidates from other schools were on rosters that were so talented that they'd canceled one another out or they'd gone under the radar.

Is he better than Kelly Olynyk, Tyler or Cody Zeller or Mason Plumlee?

Cammo101 · Post #180 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 4:03 pm

campybatman wrote:I can't believe he'd won the Associated Press Player Of The Year and the Naismith Player Of The Year and he isn't even projected to be selected among the top ten or fifteen (depending on the site) in this year's draft. I guess that other candidates from other schools were on rosters that were so talented that they'd canceled one another out or they'd gone under the radar.

Is he better than Kelly Olynyk, Tyler or Cody Zeller or Mason Plumlee?

There is a difference between being a great college player and a great NBA prospect. Doug McDermott, Jimmer Fredette, Jameer Nelson, among others have all won the award without being top prospects.

Yes, IMO he is better than all 3 of those guys.