Michael Porter Jr.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #161 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:10 am

Is Porter a SF or PF in NBA?

Post #162 » by **GimmeDat** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:14 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Is Porter a SF or PF in NBA?

PF, imo. Suites his skill-set and frame best. Perhaps he can play some 3, haven't seen anything to suggest it yet, but even then he would've gotten considerable minutes at the 4 in smaller lineups.

CjayC · Post #163 » by **CjayC** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:22 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Is Porter a SF or PF in NBA?

A natural 3 to me, with ability to play 4.

Mr B · Post #164 » by **Mr B** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:11 pm

The Sparest wrote:
Mr B wrote:
The Sparest wrote:
Same here. Those guys are all exclamation points and question marks. Bagley is growing on me with every game, but Porter worries me since the Mavs could be in position to take him. He could be an All Star, a bust, or never healthy enough for us to know either way. Some team out there is going to take a huge gamble on him, and I'm not sure if I want it to be mine.

If the Mavs are there at 5 and have decided not to take Porter who would you take? Bagley, Doncic, Ayton, and Bamba would all be off the table who would you take?

Jaren Jackson is the most likely player to push his way into the top 5. I could see the Mavs taking him over Porter at 5 if the injury concerns really are that bad. The injury scares me, especially with DSJ already on the team. Building around two guys who have injury concerns isn't ideal. But it would be hard to pass on Porter at 5 unless the injury looks really bad, or Jackson looks really good.

Jackson is definitely really good from from I’ve seen of him. What makes him better than Carter in your opinion?

As for Porter, I really worry about his back. I’m not a doctor so I have no idea if he will ever be 100% ok or if this is something that could shorten his career. I wish Porter would have been able to play at least half of the season so I could get an idea of how he plays. I don’t trust videos of him going against HS kids. I want to see him going against bigger stronger guys and see what kind of numbers he puts up.

Mr B · Post #165 » by **Mr B** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:14 pm

GimmeDat wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Is Porter a SF or PF in NBA?

PF, imo. Suites his skill-set and frame best. Perhaps he can play some 3, haven't seen anything to suggest it yet, but even then he would've gotten considerable minutes at the 4 in smaller lineups.

He seems a bit thin to consistently play the 4 in the NBA.

No-Man · Post #166 » by **No-Man** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:46 pm

Mr B wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Is Porter a SF or PF in NBA?

PF, imo. Suites his skill-set and frame best. Perhaps he can play some 3, haven't seen anything to suggest it yet, but even then he would've gotten considerable minutes at the 4 in smaller lineups.

He seems a bit thin to consistently play the 4 in the NBA.

Guys that have played the 4 this year in the league

Ilyasova, Babbitt, Morris, Tatum, Ojeleye, Marvin Williams, Markkanen, Crowder, Jeff Green, Max Kleber, Harrison Barnes, Wilson Chandler, Tobias Harris,....

You want me to continue? like how many 4s are actually gonna take advantage of him strength wise? he is also freaking 19 and has a solid frame, he is going to get stronger.

Mr B · Post #167 » by **Mr B** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:03 pm

Fischella wrote:
Mr B wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:
PF, imo. Suites his skill-set and frame best. Perhaps he can play some 3, haven't seen anything to suggest it yet, but even then he would've gotten considerable minutes at the 4 in smaller lineups.

He seems a bit thin to consistently play the 4 in the NBA.

Guys that have played the 4 this year in the league

Ilyasova, Babbitt, Morris, Tatum, Ojeleye, Marvin Williams, Markkanen, Crowder, Jeff Green, Max Kleber, Harrison Barnes, Wilson Chandler, Tobias Harris,....

You want me to continue? like how many 4s are actually gonna take advantage of him strength wise? he is also freaking 19 and has a solid frame, he is going to get stronger.

That’s what I said, he needs to get stronger (and he will) it will just take a year or two. Other guys that have played the 4 this year, Horford, Drummond, Tristan Thompson, Embiid, Giannis, Nene, Aldridge, Davis, and on occasion Cousins. There are plenty of really big guys that play minutes at PF that Porter is going to have to go against. Against I’m not saying he won’t be successful I just think he will need to get stronger in order to go against those guys if he’s going to spend significant minutes at the 4.

No-Man · Post #168 » by **No-Man** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:06 pm

Mr B wrote:
That’s what I said, he needs to get stronger (and he will) it will just take a year or two. Other guys that have played the 4 this year, Horford, Drummond, Tristan Thompson, Embiid, Giannis, Nene, Aldridge, Davis, and on occasion Cousins. There are plenty of really big guys that play minutes at PF that Porter is going to have to go against. Against I’m not saying he won’t be successful I just think he will need to get stronger in order to go against those guys if he’s going to spend significant minutes at the 4.

Horford plays it every so often, not common
Drummond never lol

Thompson never ever, whenever he is on the floor he is always the C on offense.

Embiid with whom? he rarely plays it

Giannis yes
Nene never ever

Aldridge and Davis yes

Cousins nope

There are some big guys that play minutes at the 4, there are way less than the small guys and the trend is going in one clear direction there.

Porter is also 6'10, 220 with a good frame and a 7'0 wingspan, he is plenty big to play the 4.

Mr B · Post #169 » by **Mr B** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:28 pm

Fischella wrote:
Mr B wrote:
That’s what I said, he needs to get stronger (and he will) it will just take a year or two. Other guys that have played the 4 this year, Horford, Drummond, Tristan Thompson, Embiid, Giannis, Nene, Aldridge, Davis, and on occasion Cousins. There are plenty of really big guys that play minutes at PF that Porter is going to have to go against. Against I’m not saying he won’t be successful I just think he will need to get stronger in order to go against those guys if he’s going to spend significant minutes at the 4.

Horford plays it every so often, not common
Drummond never lol

Thompson never ever, whenever he is on the floor he is always the C on offense.

Embiid with whom? he rarely plays it

Giannis yes
Nene never ever

Aldridge and Davis yes

Cousins nope

There are some big guys that play minutes at the 4, there are way less than the small guys and the trend is going in one clear direction there.

Porter is also 6'10, 220 with a good frame and a 7'0 wingspan, he is plenty big to play the 4.

I’ve seen him listed at 215 lbs. I just think it will take him some time for his body to catch up with him. Kind of like Dirk. Dirk spent the first few years of his career playing SF before he made the move to PF.

No-Man · Post #170 » by **No-Man** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:29 pm

Mr B wrote:
Fischella wrote:
Mr B wrote:
That’s what I said, he needs to get stronger (and he will) it will just take a year or two. Other guys that have played the 4 this year, Horford, Drummond, Tristan Thompson, Embiid, Giannis, Nene, Aldridge, Davis, and on occasion Cousins. There are plenty of really big guys that play minutes at PF that Porter is going to have to go against. Against I’m not saying he won’t be successful I just think he will need to get stronger in order to go against those guys if he’s going to spend significant minutes at the 4.

Horford plays it every so often, not common
Drummond never lol

Thompson never ever, whenever he is on the floor he is always the C on offense.

Embiid with whom? he rarely plays it

Giannis yes
Nene never ever

Aldridge and Davis yes

Cousins nope

There are some big guys that play minutes at the 4, there are way less than the small guys and the trend is going in one clear direction there.

Porter is also 6'10, 220 with a good frame and a 7'0 wingspan, he is plenty big to play the 4.

I’ve seen him listed at 215 lbs. I just think it will take him some time for his body to catch up with him. Kind of like Dirk. Dirk spent the first few years of his career playing SF before he made the move to PF.

Are you seriously comparing the NBA in 2018 to the NBA 20 years ago? :lol:

Mr B · Post #171 » by **Mr B** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:16 pm

Fischella wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Fischella wrote:Horford plays it every so often, not common
Drummond never lol

Thompson never ever, whenever he is on the floor he is always the C on offense.

Embiid with whom? he rarely plays it

Giannis yes
Nene never ever

Aldridge and Davis yes

Cousins nope

There are some big guys that play minutes at the 4, there are way less than the small guys and the trend is going in one clear direction there.

Porter is also 6'10, 220 with a good frame and a 7'0 wingspan, he is plenty big to play the 4.

I’ve seen him listed at 215 lbs. I just think it will take him some time for his body to catch up with him. Kind of like Dirk. Dirk spent the first few years of his career playing SF before he made the move to PF.

Are you seriously comparing the NBA in 2018 to the NBA 20 years ago?

Think what you want, it’s going to take him time to develop. If you’re expecting for him to come in right away and be a dominant PF in the NBA in his 1st year you’re going to be really disappointed.

The Sparest · Post #172 » by **The Sparest** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:00 pm

Mr B wrote:Jackson is definitely really good from from I’ve seen of him. What makes him better than Carter in your opinion?

As for Porter, I really worry about his back. I’m not a doctor so I have no idea if he will ever be 100% ok or if this is something that could shorten his career. I wish Porter would have been able to play at least half of the season so I could get an idea of how he plays. I don’t trust videos of him going against HS kids. I want to see him going against bigger stronger guys and see what kind of numbers he puts up.

I like them both, but I would take Jackson over Carter based on defensive potential.

Alatan · Post #173 » by **Alatan** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:29 pm

I wasnt high on Porter before the injury and now i think he wont amount to much in the NBA. He has the skillset of a stretch four but if he wants to play the 4 he would need to bulk up witch would put presure on his spine. Considering he allready hurt it at an early age it is not good at all. He is not fast or agile enough to play the 3 and doesnt have the handles to do it either.

KnickFan33 · Post #174 » by **KnickFan33** » Fri Dec 8, 2017 9:07 pm

What exactly is the injury to his back? Similar to Larry Johnson? Or?

yoyoboy · Post #175 » by **yoyoboy** » Fri Dec 8, 2017 10:08 pm

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/michael-porter

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/harrison-barnes

It's scary how similar their strengths and weaknesses are. Porter has 2 more inches of height and a 3 quarter inch advantage in the wingspan department, but he also brings a potentially career altering injury to the table. Back injuries are no joke.

I wasn't high on the guy before the injury, and I'm definitely not now.

PhilBlackson · Post #176 » by **PhilBlackson** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:34 am

yoyoboy wrote:http://www.nbadraft.net/players/michael-porter

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/harrison-barnes

It's scary how similar their strengths and weaknesses are. Porter has 2 more inches of height and a 3 quarter inch advantage in the wingspan department, but he also brings a potentially career altering injury to the table. Back injuries are no joke.

I wasn't high on the guy before the injury, and I'm definitely not now.

Porter Jr is a lot more skilled than Barnes was at the same age but yes of course back injuries are a serious concern.

Personally I'd still have a tough time passing on him outside of the top 3 or so.

doordoor123 · Post #177 » by **doordoor123** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:49 am

PhilBlackson wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:http://www.nbadraft.net/players/michael-porter

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/harrison-barnes

It's scary how similar their strengths and weaknesses are. Porter has 2 more inches of height and a 3 quarter inch advantage in the wingspan department, but he also brings a potentially career altering injury to the table. Back injuries are no joke.

I wasn't high on the guy before the injury, and I'm definitely not now.

Porter Jr is a lot more skilled than Barnes was at the same age but yes of course back injuries are a serious concern.

Personally I'd still have a tough time passing on him outside of the top 3 or so.

I agree, but this injury in particular isn’t a huge issue. And having this injury at such a young age actually makes it less of a big deal. He can heal quicker as a young person and it’ll be less likely to be a reoccurring issue. I worry more about his confidence doing things he did before the injury since his ability is reliant on getting to the basket. I’m afraid he’s going to rely too much on his jumpshot and change his game. But yeah, I don’t see him getting past the 3rd pick. Probably not the first, but not past the third. He has more upside than anyone else in this draft if he’s heathly IMO.

dred926 · Post #178 » by **dred926** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:10 pm

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/mizzou-s-porter-jr-my-time-is-coming-i-just/article_7845fb82-e189-520e-b253-116e6b335eb4.html

this kid will be the real deal once he fully recovers.

As for this summer’s NBA draft, Porter said he’s not worried about how his injury might impact his stock as a prospect. He’s still consistently projected as a top-five selection.

“I know when I’m healthy people will see what I’m capable of and it will all take care of itself,” he said. “It’s something I don’t stress about it. Even if I get drafted fifth or sixth, it’s what I do in the NBA that determines my legacy. I’m still going to become the best player I’m going to become.”

Post #179 » by **KF10** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:15 am

Is there any concern out there that he is an old freshman? By the time the next NBA season starts, he would be ~20.5 years old.

baldur · Post #180 » by **baldur** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:16 am

KF10 wrote:Is there any concern out there that he is an old freshman? By the time the next NBA season starts, he would be ~20.5 years old.

no. his injury is what might be concerning. many rookies turn 20 during the season, anyway. so being less than one year older shouldnt be an issue.