2020 NBA Draft II

[getrichordie]

Anybody have any thoughts on these guys?

Seneca Knight
Immanuel Quickley
Samir Doughty
Franz Wagner
Jalen Harris (Nevada)

I really like what I’m seeing from Quickley. Good FT shooter. Improved 3-pt shooting as of recent. Looks like he thrives in transition.

Wagner looks like the next Bertans.

Doughty looks like he could step in right away and be a threat from deep. I can see Seth Curry as a comp.

As for Knight and Harris, they both seem like high risk high reward wings who could be a low end rotation player. I like Knight a little more. He seems a bit bigger and quicker and his change of direction should translate to the NBA fairly well. Both seem to be shooting the 3 fairly well as of late and Knight has shown improved FT shooting.

[Mark_83]

Can someone give me some names I should pay attention to that tankathon dosen't have up?

I've done most of my early work on the tankathon guys. I'm looking for some names that people think could be NBA contributes who tankathon dosen't have listed.

I know the big man from Arizona gets alot of love, anyone know his name or who else is a potential first round type of guy?

Oscar Tshiebwe
N'Faly Dante
Joe Wieskamp
Quentin Grimes
Tyrell Terry
Trayce Jackson-Davis
Darius Days
Terrence Shannon Jr.
Rayshaun Hammonds
Andrew Wiggins
Skylar Mays
Anton Watson
Romeo Weems
Lester Quinones
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl

a lot of these guys probably just end up returning tho.

He hates it in Golden State so much he petitions to re-enter the draft?

(jk. You obviously meant Aaron )

[Roddy B for 3]

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If y'all could give me some tips on my big board, I'd appreciate it.

My biggest questions are
How real is the defense of: Anthony Edwards, On Toppin, Devon Vassell, Sadiq Bey, Deny Avdija, Josh Green, Aaron Nessmith, RJ Hampton, Isiah Stewart, Xavier Tillman, Theo Maledon, and Cassius Winston?
Do any of those guys have "stopper" potential? Are any "stoppers" on day one?

Is Avdija at 19 WAY to low?
Does anyone see Toppin as a potential all-star?
Will having Mannion 21 look silly down the line? To high or to low?
Where should I rank Okoro?
Will Tyler Bey be a long-term NBA starter?
Will Aleksej Pokusevski be a NBA player in four years?
Will Reggie Perry, Markus Howard, Cassius Stanley or Ashton Haggins be NBA players in four years?

[King Ken]

viewtopic.php?f=38&p=82002885#p82002885

If y'all could give me some tips on my big board, I'd appreciate it.

My biggest questions are
How real is the defense of: Anthony Edwards, On Toppin, Devon Vassell, Sadiq Bey, Deny Avdija, Josh Green, Aaron Nessmith, RJ Hampton, Isiah Stewart, Xavier Tillman, Theo Maledon, and Cassius Winston?
Do any of those guys have "stopper" potential? Are any "stoppers" on day one?

Is Avdija at 19 WAY to low?
Does anyone see Toppin as a potential all-star?
Will having Mannion 21 look silly down the line? To high or to low?
Where should I rank Okoro?
Will Tyler Bey be a long-term NBA starter?
Will Aleksej Pokusevski be a NBA player in four years?
Will Reggie Perry, Markus Howard, Cassius Stanley or Ashton Haggins be NBA players in four years?

Edwards has a 5 on defense, his concerns are extremely real in year 1 but guys like him progress like gangbusters on defense. His defense is a lot of John Wall in it. He got defensive potential.

Obi will put up some defensive stats but his impact defensively at this time is very low. I think in time he will be close to respectable on that end but clearly not anytime soon.

My issue with Vassell is size. I am a big believer that you need weight with size in terms of defenders. I always felt the Augmon and Brewer's of the world have limitations due to size.

I don't watch enough of Nova

Deni is a premium team defender guy like Doncic was as a prospect but he has more potential on that end than Luka had.

I like Hampton and Tillman on that end.

Deni at 19 is foolish. He's a potential PDS wing at 6'9 with defensive chops at 215. He's top 10 at the least in this class.

He reminds me of Amare, not the same player but similar impact. I could see a team like Phoenix. I could see Minnesota having interest but Toppin and Towns won't work defensively much less Russell as well.

It's a range he could fall in but of course in time it could. If this class is anything, it's a strong PG class.

Okoro, top 10. Even with a lower floor to a degree, the potential is clearly there and his size and defense will get him on the floor day 1.

I haven't seen enough of Colorado

I think all four will be NBA players in 4 years. Maybe fringe players but players nonetheless. I am much higher on Perry than the others listed.

[Roddy B for 3]

viewtopic.php?f=38&p=82002885#p82002885

If y'all could give me some tips on my big board, I'd appreciate it.

My biggest questions are
How real is the defense of: Anthony Edwards, On Toppin, Devon Vassell, Sadiq Bey, Deny Avdija, Josh Green, Aaron Nessmith, RJ Hampton, Isiah Stewart, Xavier Tillman, Theo Maledon, and Cassius Winston?
Do any of those guys have "stopper" potential? Are any "stoppers" on day one?

Is Avdija at 19 WAY to low?
Does anyone see Toppin as a potential all-star?
Will having Mannion 21 look silly down the line? To high or to low?
Where should I rank Okoro?
Will Tyler Bey be a long-term NBA starter?
Will Aleksej Pokusevski be a NBA player in four years?
Will Reggie Perry, Markus Howard, Cassius Stanley or Ashton Haggins be NBA players in four years?

Edwards has a 5 on defense, his concerns are extremely real in year 1 but guys like him progress like gangbusters on defense. His defense is a lot of John Wall in it. He got defensive potential.

Obi will put up some defensive stats but his impact defensively at this time is very low. I think in time he will be close to respectable on that end but clearly not anytime soon.

My issue with Vassell is size. I am a big believer that you need weight with size in terms of defenders. I always felt the Augmon and Brewer's of the world have limitations due to size.

I don't watch enough of Nova

Deni is a premium team defender guy like Doncic was as a prospect but he has more potential on that end than Luka had.

I like Hampton and Tillman on that end.

Deni at 19 is foolish. He's a potential PDS wing at 6'9 with defensive chops at 215. He's top 10 at the least in this class.

He reminds me of Amare, not the same player but similar impact. I could see a team like Phoenix. I could see Minnesota having interest but Toppin and Towns won't work defensively much less Russell as well.

It's a range he could fall in but of course in time it could. If this class is anything, it's a strong PG class.

Okoro, top 10. Even with a lower floor to a degree, the potential is clearly there and his size and defense will get him on the floor day 1.

I haven't seen enough of Colorado

I think all four will be NBA players in 4 years. Maybe fringe players but players nonetheless. I am much higher on Perry than the others listed.

I appreciate the answers and I really respect your ability to scout future NBA players.

What is a PDS wing?

[King Ken]

Pass, dribble and shoot

[nolang1]

Can anyone breakdown what defensive differences they see in some of the top perimeter wing defenders?

Okoro, Lewis, Vassell, any others?

What do y'all see as the pro's/con's of their defensive capabilities?

I can't go into too much detail at this time but I like Okoro the most because he reminds me of Torrey Craig defensively. He is an elite on and off-ball defender as a prospect elite at switches, strong with a tremendous frame 6'7 220ish. Can defend 1-3. Good enough wingspan at 6'8, freak athlete. Shows tremendous potential on that end, a special defender for a freshman.


Scottie Lewis defends a lot like a young Kobe Bryant to me. Great defensive playmaker. Tremendous athlete. More so an on the ball threat. Really keeps everything in front of him. Very long (6'10 ws). Probably the most talented defender in this class. He has been late a lot of rotations, could improve in that area for the NBA. Mid-tier versatility 1-2 only. Sadly, his offense ain't it but if you got an extremely strong player dev program and don't put too many ball-handling responsibilities on your wings, maybe he has a chance to be special down the road. MAMBA MENTALITY.


Vassell, he is very intriguing on tape but I don't really like taller wings who defend under 200 pounds. They tend to struggle with the quick and swifty guards, too weak to defend bigger wings, and while they can have success and good metrics, I find them to be matchup limited. That's not against Vassell directly but I have a hard time with these types. They fail so much.

I haven't seen any issue with Vassell's ability to guard point guards. That's a large part of why I've had him as a lottery pick since before the season even started: even if Vassell is 'matchup limited' against bigger wings (which to me is not really relevant since there is obviously no Kawhi type of player in this draft - even Okoro has a wingspan that's a fully 7 inches shorter) he could easily be a taller, longer version of Danny Green on defense. Also he's 5 months younger than Lewis while being taller and longer than him as well, so I'm having a hard time seeing how his frame is supposed to be worse.

[Marcus]

Feels like a draft you don't want a top pick in. You'd prefer something around 5 and lotto so you can have an acceptable enough "reach" for the guy you really wanted or just to be able to get your guy later on because you already have plans for his development. Dunno if i want a top pick this year unless I have a hole for that position.

[King Ken]

Feels like a draft you don't want a top pick in. You'd prefer something around 5 and lotto so you can have an acceptable enough "reach" for the guy you really wanted or just to be able to get your guy later on because you already have plans for his development. Dunno if i want a top pick this year unless I have a hole for that position.

This is another eye of the beholder draft like last year's was after the 3rd pick. You are betting on the the youngins potential, or you are hoping to get more more out of a vet floor.

This is not an easy draft. Especially for established teams.

I can see teams like GS looking to move back and I can see DET or CHA having interest in moving up if the price is right. DET for Melo and CHA for Edwards makes sense. I can also see NY for Melo as well. I could see the Spurs being all in for Obi Toppin.

This might be one of those drafts where a late lottery team might be willing to move up for a prospect they covet if the price is right.

[goober]

Has anyone here scouted Yoeli Child’s much? I’m really liking his ability to transition into the NBA rather quickly, has a good inside/outside game for a 4, and could be a nice surprise for a team picking late, I think it’s possible he ends up being a late first.

[NO-KG-AI]

Ja Morant vs. LaMelo Ball

who ya got as prospects?

I think it’s ridiculously easy. I don’t think Lamelo is better at anything than Morant except being tall. Morant is way more explosive and talented. Better scorer, playmaker, athlete, and way more productive.

Morant even without hindsight would be an easy #1 pick in this draft IMO.

[clyde21]

Has anyone here scouted Yoeli Child’s much? I’m really liking his ability to transition into the NBA rather quickly, has a good inside/outside game for a 4, and could be a nice surprise for a team picking late, I think it’s possible he ends up being a late first.

too slow and old

[King Ken]

Ja Morant vs. LaMelo Ball

who ya got as prospects?

I think it’s ridiculously easy. I don’t think Lamelo is better at anything than Morant except being tall. Morant is way more explosive and talented. Better scorer, playmaker, athlete, and way more productive.

Morant even without hindsight would be an easy #1 pick in this draft IMO.

You think Morant is more talented than Ball? Both are excellent talents. Polish is the biggest difference in terms of their skillset.

[NO-KG-AI]

Ja Morant vs. LaMelo Ball

who ya got as prospects?

I think it’s ridiculously easy. I don’t think Lamelo is better at anything than Morant except being tall. Morant is way more explosive and talented. Better scorer, playmaker, athlete, and way more productive.

Morant even without hindsight would be an easy #1 pick in this draft IMO.

You think Morant is more talented than Ball? Both are excellent talents. Polish is the biggest difference in terms of their skillset.

Yea, he's a way better athlete, and doesn't have a busted jumper with bad form, and doesn't play wild or like he grew up on an AAU team that was created for him to just put up shots while everyone else stands around.

[BlazersBroncos]

I don't think Ball is in the same stratosphere as Ja. He is closer to a 6'7 Sebastian Telfair. I don't trust his game in the least. At least his brother had a fallback skillset that makes him project as a excellent complimentary role player. LaMelo is either a high usage, high shot attempt guy or a nothing IMO. I don't ever see him being efficient enough to justify that role so I would stay away from him like the plague.

[HeadtopChunes]

Id say Morant would be the best prospect in this draft and I’m relatively high on Ball (at least compared to this board)

[getrichordie]

Why is no one talking about Immanuel Quickley? He's just as good, if not a better prospect than Maxey.

[CelticsLV]

The team which drafts LaMelo Ball anywhere close to top 6 deserves to be awful.

[HeadtopChunes]

Do you think Brook Lopez and the Bucks scheme of extreme drop coverage and focus on rim protection is something that teams can sell themselves on regarding Wiseman?

He does not move well in space but he's, by all means, a very good rim protector. If Wiseman is Brook Lopez-Esque where do you draft him?

[No-Man]

Not anywhere as skilled as Lopez lol, he is Whiteside