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Apoe · Post #161 » by **Apoe** » Wed May 19, 2021 8:35 am

It is a crime that some mocks have him in the 2nd round. Imo he is at least a top 16 pick and he could go top 8. He is playing against pro's in a pretty good league and abusing them. Great fundamentals and footwork and Sengun is an extremely smart player. If he keeps developing at this rate and works a bit on his outside game he will have a long NBA career if he wants to. It is a shame that low post scoring is such an undervalued skill in todays game because if it was he would be a top 10 pick in many mock drafts.

Mirotic12 · Post #162 » by **Mirotic12** » Wed May 19, 2021 1:02 pm

clyde21 wrote:
Charm wrote:Has an 18-year-old ever been MVP of a pro basketball league before Sengun?

Luka

Luka was 19.

greenandgold · Post #163 » by **greenandgold** » Wed May 19, 2021 1:26 pm

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This is the best player in the draft after Cade. Questions about athleticism are overblown. Watch the highlights, he’s a tremendous in-game dunker. I don’t think he gets past OKC’s lottery pick.

GSWFan1994 · Post #164 » by **GSWFan1994** » Wed May 19, 2021 4:06 pm

Yep. This guy is rising up draft boards like there's no tomorrow.

He looks like KAT in these highlights.

clyde21 · Post #165 » by **clyde21** » Wed May 19, 2021 5:15 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Charm wrote:Has an 18-year-old ever been MVP of a pro basketball league before Sengun?

Luka

Luka was 19.

true my bad

clyde21 · Post #166 » by **clyde21** » Wed May 19, 2021 5:16 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:Yep. This guy is rising up draft boards like there's no tomorrow.

He looks like KAT in these highlights.

i think the Kevin Love comp is pretty apt from earlier, not quite as good as young Love but I see the similarities. hopefully he's not as soft as Love.

BlazersBroncos · Post #167 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Wed May 19, 2021 7:04 pm

i think the Kevin Love comp is pretty apt from earlier, not quite as good as young Love but I see the similarities. hopefully he's not as soft as Love.

How about the 21st century Rony Seikaly? But a better passer, and, like all comparisons from modern prospects to guys 20+ years ago, a better shooter.

Mickey8 · Post #168 » by **Mickey8** » Wed May 19, 2021 7:06 pm

Love can shoot , this kid can't and I don't see any similarities between two , one is undersized center the other is PF.

EvanZ · Post #169 » by **EvanZ** » Wed May 19, 2021 7:17 pm

Mickey8 wrote:Love can shoot , this kid can't and I don't see any similarities between two , one is undersized center the other is PF.

Uh he shot 80% from the free throw line this season. He's gonna shoot and probably sooner rather than later.

BlazersBroncos · Post #170 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Wed May 19, 2021 7:24 pm

Also, in an abstract way I see some Bam. A more grounded Bam, but a bit of similarity in skillset.

Lovechild of Rony and Bam?

UcanUwill · Post #171 » by **UcanUwill** » Wed May 19, 2021 8:09 pm

Only 6 points today, while Sanli had 21. He has been awesome as of late, but Efes are above their weight.

Mirotic12 · Post #172 » by **Mirotic12** » Wed May 19, 2021 8:17 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:How about the 21st century Rony Seikaly? But a better passer, and, like all comparisons from modern prospects to guys 20+ years ago, a better shooter.

Seikaly was extremely athletic. When he was the same age he was just dunking on people all the time. And Seikaly was doing all of his damage right at the rim, especially at that age. Young Seikaly was kind of like pre-injury Amare. I don't see much similarity at all with Seikaly and Sengun.

Mirotic12 · Post #173 » by **Mirotic12** » Wed May 19, 2021 8:24 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Only 6 points today, while Sanli had 21. He has been awesome as of late, but Efes are above their weight.

Sertac Sanli is one of the best centers in EuroLeague. And anyone that knows anything about European club basketball knows that Besiktas is a complete and total POS team. I'm not sure that Sengun would play more than 10 minutes a game on the Turkish EuroLeague clubs like Fener and Efes. If he did, it would be like 12-15 minutes at most.

If you read ridiculous claims from US sports media (they even claimed recently that the Turkish League is the best league in Europe - which is totally ridiculous), they will have you believe that playing in Turkish League or EuroLeague, or playing on Efes or Besiktas is all the same. Those draft reports are nauseatingly bad, they are so amateurish. Obviously, there is zero chance of any kind that Sengun would ever sniff any MVP award if he played on a team like Efes. It's totally different worlds of levels of competition.

Besiktas getting swept won't mean anything, unless it is for some that base their opinions on those crazy draft reports, that make it sound like playing on Besiktas was at some high level of play. Anyone that understands European club basketball knows that Sengun would have had much smaller numbers and playing time on a big European club.

Hal14 · Post #174 » by **Hal14** » Wed May 19, 2021 9:23 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:Only 6 points today, while Sanli had 21. He has been awesome as of late, but Efes are above their weight.

Sertac Sanli is one of the best centers in EuroLeague. And anyone that knows anything about European club basketball knows that Besiktas is a complete and total POS team. I'm not sure that Sengun would play more than 10 minutes a game on the Turkish EuroLeague clubs like Fener and Efes. If he did, it would be like 12-15 minutes at most.

If you read ridiculous claims from US sports media (they even claimed recently that the Turkish League is the best league in Europe - which is totally ridiculous), they will have you believe that playing in Turkish League or EuroLeague, or playing on Efes or Besiktas is all the same. Those draft reports are nauseatingly bad, they are so amateurish. Obviously, there is zero chance of any kind that Sengun would ever sniff any MVP award if he played on a team like Efes. It's totally different worlds of levels of competition.

Besiktas getting swept won't mean anything, unless it is for some that base their opinions on those crazy draft reports, that make it sound like playing on Besiktas was at some high level of play. Anyone that understands European club basketball knows that Sengun would have had much smaller numbers and playing time on a big European club.

One of the best centers in EuroLeague only averages 7 points, 2 rebounds in 14 mins a game in EuroLeague?

damn, the guys on Sanli's team who actually put up good numbers must be hall of famers..

Mirotic12 · Post #175 » by **Mirotic12** » Wed May 19, 2021 9:48 pm

Hal14 wrote:One of the best centers in EuroLeague only averages 7 points, 2 rebounds in 14 mins a game in EuroLeague?

Yes. And Sengun would average less and play less on the same team.

Charm · Post #176 » by **Charm** » Wed May 19, 2021 10:11 pm

Bigger factor than Sanli was Dunston. Basically Euro Draymond defensively. Really tough matchup for Sengun to score against, and it'll be interesting to see what adjustment he can make for Friday's game.

Laughable to talk like Sengun wouldn't get minutes on Efes. If Efes could somehow sign Sengun and stop him from going to the NBA next year they'd do it in a heartbeat.

EDIT: Sorry, that was unnecessarily harsh. But I do think Sanli is the least important out of all the rotation players on Efes, and I think they'd gladly give his minutes to Sengun if they had that option.

Mirotic12 · Post #177 » by **Mirotic12** » Thu May 20, 2021 1:31 pm

Efes has an extremely wealthy ownership, and they have a huge budget, it might be the largest of any team in Europe. If they wanted Sengun on their team right now, instead of Sanli, he would have already been on their team months ago.

UcanUwill · Post #178 » by **UcanUwill** » Thu May 20, 2021 2:10 pm

Even Doncic had limited role as 18 year old, no one is arguing you that Sengun would be Euroleague star now, we know Besiktas is not an Euroleague caliber team... but that said his talent is obviously bigger than most Euroleague players, and I think by next season he would be ready for Eurolague minutes already, guy is just a flat out baller.

Sanli is that Turkish player on Efes, and for a turk he is very good, I would't call him one of the best centers in the Euroleague tho, Davies, Milutinov, Tavares, Reynolds, Vesely are best centers in Euroleague, everyone else are on different tiers.

Charm · Post #179 » by **Charm** » Thu May 20, 2021 2:18 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:Efes has an extremely wealthy ownership, and they have a huge budget, it might be the largest of any team in Europe. If they wanted Sengun on their team right now, instead of Sanli, he would have already been on their team months ago.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they tried, and Sengun turned them down for the reasons you alluded to. Efes is not going to want him grabbing the rebound and trying to go coast-to-coast, and those are the kinds of plays Sengun lives for. Better to have the freedom he has on Besiktas, averaging 20 points and 3 assists, playing and expanding his natural game, than to average 10 points and 1 assist as a smaller cog in the unstoppable Efes war machine.

Mirotic12 · Post #180 » by **Mirotic12** » Thu May 20, 2021 2:24 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Even Doncic had limited role as 18 year old, no one is arguing you that Sengun would be Euroleague star now, we know Besiktas is not an Euroleague caliber team... but that said his talent is obviously bigger than most Euroleague players, and I think by next season he would be ready for Eurolague minutes already, guy is just a flat out baller.

Sanli is that Turkish player on Efes, and for a turk he is very good, I would't call him one of the best centers in the Euroleague tho, Davies, Milutinov, Tavares, Reynolds, Vesely are best centers in Euroleague, everyone else are on different tiers.

Sanli is definitely better than Milutinov and Reynolds. Yes, every single player in the world would be a role player in EuroLeague at age 18. I'm not downplaying Sengun at all. I'm simply explaining why he and his team suddenly have a much different look against competition level like Efes. Because if you read US sports media and draft articles, they make it sound like the Turkish League / Besiktas is equal to or even better than EuroLeague / Efes. Some draft articles recently claimed the Turkish League as the best league in Europe, and also made it sound like Besiktas was a good team by European standards. Of course, to anyone that knows European basketball, both statements are absurd.

But for NBA only fans, they would most very likely not know any of that. I was simply explaining why Sengun and his team would see such a drastic change in performance all of a sudden.