Josh Giddey - 6'8 Aussie PG

TB · Post #161 » by TB » Tue Jun 8, 2021 8:45 pm

A lot more Teodosic than Luka to me.

Apoe · Post #162 » by **Apoe** » Wed Jun 9, 2021 7:54 am

He is nowhere near Luka as a player or prospect. I just don't feel it with him. I will take him in the 12 - 30 range but imo he is certainly not a top 10 pick.

Hal14 · Post #163 » by **Hal14** » Wed Jun 9, 2021 2:25 pm

Apoe wrote:He is nowhere near Luka as a player or prospect. I just don't feel it with him. I will take him in the 12 - 30 range but imo he is certainly not a top 10 pick.

If you're so certain Giddey is not a top 10 pick....other than the consensus top 5 players in this year's draft, which 5 players do feel feel are head and shoulders above Giddey?

I'm guessing Keon, Barnes, Moody, maybe you also have Wagner/Sengun/Mitchell/Springer/Jalen Johnson all over Giddey?

I just feel like Giddey has an "it" factor, a star quality, a flair for the dramatic and an innate ability/willingness to make his teammates better, find the open man. The combination of passing ability/court vision/unselfishness + feel for the game to instinctively make high level plays + size (6'8" PGs don't grow on trees) + what he has already accomplished at age 18 (3 triple doubles in a 4 game stretch in a professional league) makes me put him in the top 10..

Apoe · Post #164 » by **Apoe** » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:09 pm

I am just not sold on his game translating. The eye test does not wow me but his stats are nice for a PG of his age so i am not sure.

These are the guys i take before Giddey. Of course Giddey could prove me wrong

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- Suggs
- Cunningham
- Green
- Mobley
- Kuminga
- Sengun
- Bouknight
- Mitchell
- J. Johnson
- Garuba
- J Butler
- Moody
- Dosunmu

DCasey91 · Post #165 » by **DCasey91** » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:19 am

I don’t think Giddey is a certified top ten pick nor do I think he’s a certified top ten player from this draft. But after pick 5 from this draft it’s open season so there’s probably going to be interesting draft selections made.

Can he be a top ten player from this draft 3-4 years from now? Yes but so can a half dozen others imo.

EMG518 · Post #166 » by **EMG518** » Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:24 am

I like him. I would take him top 5.

Mirotic12 · Post #167 » by **Mirotic12** » Fri Jul 2, 2021 5:40 pm

Australia cut Josh Giddey?

Read on Twitter

ROballer · Post #168 » by **ROballer** » Fri Jul 2, 2021 7:57 pm

Great news. The Aussies are stacked and he would've not seen much PT anyway.

This move pretty much guarantees his presence in the Summer League. Scheduling wise, you can't do both Olympics and Summer League this year.

The Moose · Post #169 » by **The Moose** » Sat Jul 3, 2021 2:39 am

I watched just about every game of his in the NBL, I'm not a big fan at all. I wouldn't take him in the top 20, maybe thats harsh. I dont think he's worth a lottery pick. Maybe mid first round I'd give him a look

UcanUwill · Post #170 » by **UcanUwill** » Sat Jul 3, 2021 11:37 am

The Moose wrote:I watched just about every game of his in the NBL, I'm not a big fan at all. I wouldn't take him in the top 20, maybe thats harsh. I dont think he's worth a lottery pick. Maybe mid first round I'd give him a look

Why do you think that. in what areas is he overrated and what limits his ceiling? I dont know much about him, but some posts make him look great.

The Moose · Post #171 » by **The Moose** » Sat Jul 3, 2021 2:36 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
The Moose wrote:I watched just about every game of his in the NBL, I'm not a big fan at all. I wouldn't take him in the top 20, maybe thats harsh. I dont think he's worth a lottery pick. Maybe mid first round I'd give him a look

Why do you think that. in what areas is he overrated and what limits his ceiling? I dont know much about him, but some posts make him look great.

I see a lot of people compare him to Ingles, he kinda reminds me of Ingles, if Ingles couldnt shoot at all. I just don't really see it coming together for him, I think if Lamelo didn't come to the NBL last year, Giddey wouldn't be projected as a lottery pick.

He might make it as a glue guy if he can learn how to shoot, but I don't foresee him ever having a large role in the offense, and his defense is a liability still.

Mirotic12 · Post #172 » by **Mirotic12** » Sat Jul 3, 2021 3:11 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Why do you think that. in what areas is he overrated and what limits his ceiling? I dont know much about him, but some posts make him look great.

I only watched him in a few NBL games, so the sample size is very small. But as far as his weaknesses go, from what I saw he can't guard anyone and he can't shoot.

As for what that means for him from an NBA perspective - not being able to play defense doesn't matter in the NBA. No one plays defense in the NBA's regular season, and it's basically outlawed by the refs until like the 2nd round of the playoffs anyway. Plus, with the NBA's rules, point guards can't really stop anyone regardless.

So the fact he can't play defense is a big problem in the NBL, but it's basically irrelevant for the most part in the NBA.

However, the not being able to shoot is a major problem. Point guards and main ball handlers that can't shoot are a big problem for their teams. They cause a big issue for any team's offense in modern basketball.

Nick Calathes is a big point guard that has great ball handling, great court vision, great passing skills, is great at running pick and roll, and on top of that, he's also a very good defender. So he has something that Giddey does not, which is the ability to play defense. However, Calathes can't shoot, and because of that he becomes a major liability to all of his teams in big games, unless he is having his once in so many games where he can hit some shots. No matter how much other skills a point guard has, in modern basketball you have to be able to shoot to be an effective point guard.

Hal14 · Post #173 » by **Hal14** » Sat Jul 3, 2021 3:43 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:Why do you think that. in what areas is he overrated and what limits his ceiling? I dont know much about him, but some posts make him look great.

I only watched him in a few NBL games, so the sample size is very small. But as far as his weaknesses go, from what I saw he can't guard anyone and he can't shoot.

As for what that means for him from an NBA perspective - not being able to play defense doesn't matter in the NBA. No one plays defense in the NBA's regular season, and it's basically outlawed by the refs until like the 2nd round of the playoffs anyway. Plus, with the NBA's rules, point guards can't really stop anyone regardless.

So the fact he can't play defense is a mic bigger problem in the NBL, but it's basically irrelevant for the most part in the NBA.

However, the not being able to shoot is a major problem. Point guards and main ball handlers that can't shoot are a big problem for their teams. They cause a big issue for any team's offense in modern basketball.

Nick Calathes is a big point guard that has great ball handling, great court vision, great passing skills, is great at running pick and roll, and on top of that, he's also a very good defender. So he has something that Giddey does not, which is the ability to play defense. However, Calathes can't shoot, and because of that he becomes a major liability to all of his teams in big games, unless he is having his once in so many games where he can hit some shots. No matter how much other skills a point guard has, in modern basketball you have to be able to shoot to be an effective point guard.

This bolded part is so wrong, such BS that I didn't bother reading the rest.

PGs can't stop anyone? Yet some of the league's best defenders are PGs. Beverly, Holiday, Lowry, CP3. Marcus Smart plays both the 1 and 2. Lonzo is a very good defender. Kyrie was a strong defender at times this season. Rondo has flashes of really good D. Conley is a solid defender. Trae Young is average defensively - not great, but he's not gonna hurt you on D either - same with Jamal Murray.

Mirotic12 · Post #174 » by **Mirotic12** » Sat Jul 3, 2021 3:53 pm

Hal14 wrote:This bolded part is so wrong, such BS that I didn't bother reading the rest.

For example, out of the top 10-12 basketball leagues in the world, the NBA has by far and away, by leaps and bounds, the worst defense. It is also by far and away and by leaps and bounds, the least physical of all those leagues.

The NBA's level of defense is extremely bad. Australia's NBL is a much more physical league than the NBA is, and it has far better defense than the NBA does.

This is not even a debatable subject. It's not even at the point of a topic of discussion. The defense in the NBA is incredibly atrocious. It's appallingly bad. It's shockingly bad, as compared to most other pro leagues.

In the NBL, Giddey was already playing in a much more physical league and against a much better level of defense than what he would see in the NBA.

It was the same for Lamelo Ball. In the NBA, he was playing against much less physicality and against much worse defense than he faced in the NBL.

Hal14 · Post #175 » by **Hal14** » Sat Jul 3, 2021 4:23 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:This bolded part is so wrong, such BS that I didn't bother reading the rest.

For example, out of the top 10-12 basketball leagues in the world, the NBA has by far and away, by leaps and bounds, the worst defense. It is also by far and away and by leaps and bounds, the least physical of all those leagues.

The NBA's level of defense is extremely bad. Australia's NBL is a much more physical league than the NBA is, and it has far better defense than the NBA does.

This is not even a debatable subject. It's not even at the point of a topic of discussion. The defense in the NBA is incredibly atrocious. It's appallingly bad. It's shockingly bad, as compared to most other pro leagues.

In the NBL, Giddey was already playing in a much more physical league and against a much better level of defense than what he would see in the NBA.

It was the same for Lamelo Ball. In the NBA, he was playing against much less physicality and against much worse defense than he faced in the NBL.

It might just seem that way because in the NBA has more skilled offensive players, more shooters. The NBA has more floor spacing which makes it more difficult for defenses to defend such a large amount of space. The NBA game is faster, the players are more skilled, more athletic, better shooters, better ball handlers, more spacing, and thus harder to defend..

yoyoboy · Post #176 » by **yoyoboy** » Sat Jul 3, 2021 4:24 pm

Is it more likely that the NBA, with by far the best talent in the world, has the worst defense? Or is it more likely that the offensive talent is so good that it makes the defense look worse by comparison?

The NBL doesn’t have guys like Lillard or Curry regularly pulling up from 40 feet out on high efficiency. The NBL doesn’t have Giannis or Zion-type unstoppable forces. Or freakish 7 foot ballhandlers and scorers in the vein of KD.

I can assure you that if the best NBA teams went up against an NBL team they would make them look like D1 college teams on offense.

76ciology · Post #177 » by **76ciology** » Sat Jul 3, 2021 5:56 pm

Is he a good shooter? No
Can he score? No
Not interested

amcoolio · Post #178 » by **amcoolio** » Sat Jul 3, 2021 6:33 pm

I watched his best highlight videos and he's no where near LaMelo as a generational passer. Sure, he makes the right pass but its not like he has eyes behind his head or makes those wow passes that LaMelo is already doing in NBA games

Rubio with more holes overall in his game is what I see

mademan · Post #179 » by **mademan** » Sat Jul 3, 2021 6:42 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:This bolded part is so wrong, such BS that I didn't bother reading the rest.

For example, out of the top 10-12 basketball leagues in the world, the NBA has by far and away, by leaps and bounds, the worst defense. It is also by far and away and by leaps and bounds, the least physical of all those leagues.

The NBA's level of defense is extremely bad. Australia's NBL is a much more physical league than the NBA is, and it has far better defense than the NBA does.

This is not even a debatable subject. It's not even at the point of a topic of discussion. The defense in the NBA is incredibly atrocious. It's appallingly bad. It's shockingly bad, as compared to most other pro leagues.

In the NBL, Giddey was already playing in a much more physical league and against a much better level of defense than what he would see in the NBA.

It was the same for Lamelo Ball. In the NBA, he was playing against much less physicality and against much worse defense than he faced in the NBL.

This is ludicrous. Ball excelled more because there is more spacing, because the NBA has far better shooters and more talented offensive players. ABL doesnt have better defense, they have worse offensive players, lol.

And ya, maybe Giddey can excel when surrounded by better offensive players, but ho-lee, this is like the 5th time ive seen someone write this idea that Australian defenses are better. It's such a hilariously bad take

Mirotic12 · Post #180 » by **Mirotic12** » Sat Jul 3, 2021 7:13 pm

Anyone that doesn't realize the NBA has horrific level defense either doesn't actually watch the NBA, and/or they have never seen any other basketball competition other than the NBA.

If you actually have watched another basketball competition besides the NBA, and don't realize the NBA has the worst defense by far, then you don't understand basic rudimentary principles of basketball. What is considered acceptable or even standard level defense by NBA coaches would get a player automatically benched in Europe.