Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga

[Big J]

Chet is my #1 but I disagree with those who think he will be a superstar. I actually think his upside is not as high as others.

his strength is a concern no doubt but nobody talks about his other glaring weakness......

he has slow movements. his shot is slow, his passing is slow, he is coordinated and fluid but his first step is slow. defensively reacting to the ball he is fast, but on offense it looks like he has to think a second longer than others.

I still think he will be a great connecting player on offense and a great rim protector. but he will be average defending on the perimeter.



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Yea, he's not going to be playable at the end of games in the playoffs when bigs get hunted. People can get angry about this all they want, but it's the truth. His foot speed is not going to get any faster.

[bucknut]

Does Chet have the postgame if a defense goes small and doesn't put a classic slower center on him ?? ......with his light weight, why is he advantageous at center when there won't be a matchup advantage ?.....only unique thing about this guy is his ability to put the ball down and dribble - well what if that is negated by a smaller 4 ?

He's not siakem when he puts the ball down drive wise.
He's not Dirk fadeaways
He's not KD on the move pull up J's.

He's not really a natural scorer of the ball.......he's got some spin move he does driving that may not work in the league.

If he doesn't have a postgame I'd rather take brook lopez or zach collins all day then this guy.

Bol Bol dribbles pretty darn well too.....maybe with time he can develop some of the dirk and KD mid range stuff and differentiate him from the classic 3 and D guys.

To me his closest comp right now is Jaren Jackson Jr but with more upside, blocker, 3 guy, some mobility....mid range fadeaways and J's determine his ceiling.

Plus he doesn't look like he's got an aggressive alpha attitude and he's a white american born player - haven't seen a great one since Bird and a ton of busts ....I don't see great success for this dude.

[bucknut]

Does Chet have the postgame if a defense goes small and doesn't put a classic slower center on him ?? ......with his light weight, why is he advantageous at center when there won't be a matchup advantage ?.....only unique thing about this guy is his ability to put the ball down and dribble - well what if that is negated by a smaller 4 ?

He's not siakem when he puts the ball down drive wise.
He's not Dirk fadeaways
He's not KD on the move pull up J's.
I haven't even seen Porzingis like post game on highlights - just see no post scores

He's not really a natural scorer of the ball.......he's got some spin move he does driving that may not work in the league.

If he doesn't have a postgame I'd rather take brook lopez or zach collins all day then this guy.

Bol Bol dribbles pretty darn well too.....maybe with time he can develop some of the dirk and KD mid range stuff and differentiate him from the classic 3 and D guys.

To me his closest comp right now is Jaren Jackson Jr but with more upside, blocker, 3 guy, some mobility....mid range fadeaways and J's determine his ceiling.

Plus he doesn't look like he's got an aggressive alpha attitude and he's a white american born player - haven't seen a great one since Bird and a ton of busts ....I don't see star level success for this dude.

[Big J]

Anyone else think it's a bit of a red flag that Chet is so old? He's older than Kuminga & Moody and a bunch of other guys that were drafted last year.

[CptCrunch]

Anyone else think it's a bit of a red flag that Chet is so old? He's older than Kuminga & Moody and a bunch of other guys that were drafted last year.

Don't look at TyTy the freshman, he'll scare you.

It's a minus but his skill combo is unique so you can't just draft Ched "same archtype but younger" Holdthem instead.

[Big J]

Anyone else think it's a bit of a red flag that Chet is so old? He's older than Kuminga & Moody and a bunch of other guys that were drafted last year.

Don't look at TyTy the freshman, he'll scare you.

It's a minus but his skill combo is unique so you can't just draft Ched "same archtype but younger" Holdthem instead.

Seems like anyone worth their salt would reclassify so they can get to their 2nd contract as fast as possible.

[CptCrunch]

Anyone else think it's a bit of a red flag that Chet is so old? He's older than Kuminga & Moody and a bunch of other guys that were drafted last year.

Don't look at TyTy the freshman, he'll scare you.

It's a minus but his skill combo is unique so you can't just draft Ched "same archtype but younger" Holdthem instead.

Seems like anyone worth their salt would reclassify so they can get to their 2nd contract as fast as possible.

Reclassifying is only a feasible option for kids who go to semi-sham schools like Sharpe. Reclassifying essential means skipping a grade because the required coursework has been completed ahead of time. You know the opposite of being held back for being dumb.

Most NBA prospects go to real actual high schools, not Christian basketball academies.

[SelfishPlayer]

Don't look at TyTy the freshman, he'll scare you.

It's a minus but his skill combo is unique so you can't just draft Ched "same archtype but younger" Holdthem instead.

Seems like anyone worth their salt would reclassify so they can get to their 2nd contract as fast as possible.

Reclassifying is only a feasible option for kids who go to semi-sham schools like Sharpe. Reclassifying essential means skipping a grade because the required coursework has been completed ahead of time. You know the opposite of being held back for being dumb.

Most NBA prospects go to real actual high schools, not Christian basketball academies.

"Reclassifying" frequently means "undoing" what has already strategically been done. Most prospects have already engaged in being "held back" before they ever reach a college campus. The goal before reclassification was for the prospect to be 19 years of age or greater during the vast majority of his final basketball season before entering the draft. Some guys change their minds and "reclassify."

[CptCrunch]

Seems like anyone worth their salt would reclassify so they can get to their 2nd contract as fast as possible.

Reclassifying is only a feasible option for kids who go to semi-sham schools like Sharpe. Reclassifying essential means skipping a grade because the required coursework has been completed ahead of time. You know the opposite of being held back for being dumb.

Most NBA prospects go to real actual high schools, not Christian basketball academies.

"Reclassifying" frequently means "undoing" what has already strategically been done. Most prospects have already engaged in being "held back" before they ever reach a college campus. The goal before reclassification was for the prospect to be 19 years of age or greater during the vast majority of his final basketball season before entering the draft. Some guys change their minds and "reclassify."

I mean yes being held back for basketball (aka academics is a second thought, high school classes basically as shams) is only reserved for a subset of students from a subset of schools (like Gradey Dick of Sunrise Christian Academy and all the kids from Montverde Academy, they are playing basketball while pretending to be in school) . A lot of kids from regular urban/suburban schools (like Nick Smith of North Little Rock High School) do not have handlers who strategically hold them back and then reclassify for double gains.

What you are describing is procedural. Behind those procedural layers, there is a component of high school transactional academics. Classes have to be completed for the sake of NCAA/college.

[SelfishPlayer]

Reclassifying is only a feasible option for kids who go to semi-sham schools like Sharpe. Reclassifying essential means skipping a grade because the required coursework has been completed ahead of time. You know the opposite of being held back for being dumb.

Most NBA prospects go to real actual high schools, not Christian basketball academies.

"Reclassifying" frequently means "undoing" what has already strategically been done. Most prospects have already engaged in being "held back" before they ever reach a college campus. The goal before reclassification was for the prospect to be 19 years of age or greater during the vast majority of his final basketball season before entering the draft. Some guys change their minds and "reclassify."

I mean yes being held back for basketball (aka academics is a second thought, high school classes basically as shams) is only reserved for a subset of students from a subset of schools (like Gradey Dick of Sunrise Christian Academy and all the kids from Montverde Academy, they are playing basketball while pretending to be in school) . A lot of kids from regular urban/suburban schools (like Nick Smith of North Little Rock High School) do not have handlers who strategically hold them back and then reclassify for double gains.

What you are describing is procedural. Behind those procedural layers, there is a component of high school transactional academics. Classes have to be completed for the sake of NCAA/college.

Shaedon Sharpe is the first case I've seen of a hold back reclassifying and actually sitting out an entire basketball season before entering the draft. So he was a potential hold back reclassified into a "held out/hold out." If he represents the first time this has happened and gets drafted high in the lottery, this will become a thing, especially if he does well in the NBA.

[SNPA]

"Reclassifying" frequently means "undoing" what has already strategically been done. Most prospects have already engaged in being "held back" before they ever reach a college campus. The goal before reclassification was for the prospect to be 19 years of age or greater during the vast majority of his final basketball season before entering the draft. Some guys change their minds and "reclassify."

I mean yes being held back for basketball (aka academics is a second thought, high school classes basically as shams) is only reserved for a subset of students from a subset of schools (like Gradey Dick of Sunrise Christian Academy and all the kids from Montverde Academy, they are playing basketball while pretending to be in school) . A lot of kids from regular urban/suburban schools (like Nick Smith of North Little Rock High School) do not have handlers who strategically hold them back and then reclassify for double gains.

What you are describing is procedural. Behind those procedural layers, there is a component of high school transactional academics. Classes have to be completed for the sake of NCAA/college.

Shaedon Sharpe is the first case I've seen of a hold back reclassifying and actually sitting out an entire basketball season before entering the draft. So he was a potential hold back reclassified into a "held out/hold out." If he represents the first time this has happened and gets drafted high in the lottery, this will become a thing, especially if he does well in the NBA.

Agreed. I see a future where number one ranked high school prospects shut it down and wait for the draft. Why risk college or the GLeague if you’ll go top ten anyways.

[Big J]

I mean yes being held back for basketball (aka academics is a second thought, high school classes basically as shams) is only reserved for a subset of students from a subset of schools (like Gradey Dick of Sunrise Christian Academy and all the kids from Montverde Academy, they are playing basketball while pretending to be in school) . A lot of kids from regular urban/suburban schools (like Nick Smith of North Little Rock High School) do not have handlers who strategically hold them back and then reclassify for double gains.

What you are describing is procedural. Behind those procedural layers, there is a component of high school transactional academics. Classes have to be completed for the sake of NCAA/college.

Shaedon Sharpe is the first case I've seen of a hold back reclassifying and actually sitting out an entire basketball season before entering the draft. So he was a potential hold back reclassified into a "held out/hold out." If he represents the first time this has happened and gets drafted high in the lottery, this will become a thing, especially if he does well in the NBA.

Agreed. I see a future where number one ranked high school prospects shut it down and wait for the draft. Why risk college or the GLeague if you’ll go top ten anyways.

What about NIL though. Can’t really make any money with that if you’re not playing.

[atlantabbq99]

Is Chet already a bust? Horrible rebounder, bad defender. Offense is just average at best. Also doesn't have an NBA body with a skinny frame and is constantly getting hurt on minor plays and minor contact.

He might not even be a top 30 pick if their was a re-draft.

[Dat2U]

Is Chet already a bust? Horrible rebounder, bad defender. Offense is just average at best. Also doesn't have an NBA body with a skinny frame and is constantly getting hurt on minor plays and minor contact.

He might not even be a top 30 pick if their was a re-draft.

Role matters. I think he could do more offensively in a bigger role. Statistical +/- darling with huge impact defensively.

[EvanZ]

Is Chet already a bust? Horrible rebounder, bad defender. Offense is just average at best. Also doesn't have an NBA body with a skinny frame and is constantly getting hurt on minor plays and minor contact.

He might not even be a top 30 pick if their was a re-draft.

This is the worst take I've ever seen here possibly. Congrats!

[azcatz11]

Is Chet already a bust? Horrible rebounder, bad defender. Offense is just average at best. Also doesn't have an NBA body with a skinny frame and is constantly getting hurt on minor plays and minor contact.

He might not even be a top 30 pick if their was a re-draft.

This is the worst take I've ever seen here possibly. Congrats!

I thought that post was from 4 years ago but it was recent. Why would anyone think that?

[nybluemeadow]

The more and more I watch Chet, it becomes obvious he is just a role player at best, he just gets bullied by Gordan and Porter game after game.

He is defiantly a busty, OKC blew the pick when they could have gotten Jabari or Mathurin, both who are defiantly better than Chet

[ReggiesKnicks]

The more and more I watch Chet, it becomes obvious he is just a role player at best, he just gets bullied by Gordan and Porter game after game.

He is defiantly a busty, OKC blew the pick when they could have gotten Jabari or Mathurin, both who are defiantly better than Chet

Neither of those players are definitely or even remotely better than Chet.

[The Box Office]

He obviously needs to get physically stronger or he's never going to be a perennial All Star. Because he'll always be injured.

The other thing we can never gauge is work ethic. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes, in the gym.

[Saints14]

Is anybody still bullish on Chet's on-ball/self creation potential? He showed flashes of it as a prospect but hasn't really gotten the opportunity to do it as a pro, not sure if it's just because of all the other on-ball creators in the OKC lineup or if it's never really going to be in his wheelhouse. I had him as my top prospect in that draft and compared him to a cross between Porzingis and KD, but he's looking a lot more like Porzingis