2022 NBA Draft

[Marcus]

where do the new additions land on your current big boards?

I’m not a scout or anything, but I actually think Bates is an incredibly overrated prospect.

Was always on the side of waiting to see how he progressed once the skill and physical gap started to close as the rest of his class caught up in those departments. He was so far ahead early on that it was easy to get enamored with the idea of him being elite. I do think the kid is very skilled but his frame is slight without being long limbed to off-set it. I'd like to see him on a team and in a setting where it's not catered to him and see how well he "fits in". Plenty of dog there and if he could redirect the passion towards positive effort there can still be something to love there. But for his projected draft class i wouldn't be surprised to see him get passed up once the world gets introduced to some of these other kids.

[yoyoboy]

I really don't like Bates as a prospect at all. Besides having good height for the position, all his other physical attributes suck. He's not long. His frame is really skinny and he's just really weak on the whole. He doesn't have a good first step or good lift in traffic. He doesn't seem to have a great grip on when to pass and when to score. I agree that he was so physically developed early on compared to everyone else, that the KD comparisons started to come based on him being a skinny lanky side-to-side dribble and pull up artist. But as he's gotten older and he doesn't stand out physically anymore, it's pretty clear to me he's not that great of a prospect. He's like Brandon Ingram if you made his athleticism, length, and physicality significantly worse.

[Marcus]

I really don't like Bates as a prospect at all. Besides having good height for the position, all his other physical attributes suck. He's not long. His frame is really skinny and he's just really weak on the whole. He doesn't have a good first step or good lift in traffic. I don't like his game, and he doesn't seem to have a great grip on when to pass and when to score. I agree that he was so physically developed early on compared to everyone else, that the KD comparisons started to come based on him being a skinny lanky side-to-side dribble and pull up artist. But as he's gotten older and he doesn't stand out physically anymore, it's pretty clear to me he's not that great of a prospect.

yeah i expect viewpoints to look very different by the time he's drafted

[clyde21]

Bates has long been overrated as a 'generational' guy, he's not, definitely not on that Zion/Davis level as a prospect a lot of people juiced him out to be since he's been 15

still a good prospect, but not really sure I'd him over Chet/Paolo if he were in this class, and would not take him over Cade/Mobley in 21 either.

[Marcus]

Bates has long been overrated as a 'generational' guy, he's not, definitely not on that Zion/Davis level as a prospect a lot of people juiced him out to be since he's been 15

still a good prospect, but not really sure I'd him over Chet/Paolo if he were in this class, and would not take him over Cade/Mobley in 21 either.

you have a gift for cliff notes sir.

[Duke4life831]

Bates has long been overrated as a 'generational' guy, he's not, definitely not on that Zion/Davis level as a prospect a lot of people juiced him out to be since he's been 15

still a good prospect, but not really sure I'd him over Chet/Paolo if he were in this class, and would not take him over Cade/Mobley in 21 either.

Agreed 100%. A really good prospect, but ya I don’t see him as the next Zion/AD level. Again guys like them are basically a foregone conclusion they’re going to be elite, the only question with them is health. I don’t see Bates being that.

[Marcus]

Bates has long been overrated as a 'generational' guy, he's not, definitely not on that Zion/Davis level as a prospect a lot of people juiced him out to be since he's been 15

still a good prospect, but not really sure I'd him over Chet/Paolo if he were in this class, and would not take him over Cade/Mobley in 21 either.

Agreed 100%. A really good prospect, but ya I don’t see him as the next Zion/AD level. Again guys like them are basically a foregone conclusion they’re going to be elite, the only question with them is health. I don’t see Bates being that.

all this being said. thoughts on Keyonte George?

[Duke4life831]

Bates has long been overrated as a 'generational' guy, he's not, definitely not on that Zion/Davis level as a prospect a lot of people juiced him out to be since he's been 15

still a good prospect, but not really sure I'd him over Chet/Paolo if he were in this class, and would not take him over Cade/Mobley in 21 either.

Agreed 100%. A really good prospect, but ya I don’t see him as the next Zion/AD level. Again guys like them are basically a foregone conclusion they’re going to be elite, the only question with them is health. I don’t see Bates being that.

all this being said. thoughts on Keyonte George?

I’m curious about his size. I’ve seen 6’3 up to 6’6 for him. When I see him, he looks more 6’3 to me.

I love the game and I love the athleticism. I’m curious about the 3pt shot. The form seems to change a lot. I know he has solid shooting numbers, but I am curious how well that perimeter shot is going to transfer. With that said I do like the versatility in his game attacking the basket. And I actually like his form on his pull up mid range.

I like him a lot. A few things I’m still looking at and seeing how they progress. But ya looking like another good scoring 2 guard with high end athleticism coming down the pike.

[DCasey91]

Currently I have Chet and Banch over anyone in this years draft besides Mobley. It’s a wait and see on the upcoming College season and how they perform. But I can see both being better prospects all ends up.

Banch looks like a huge Cade or Ben that can shoot and score minus defense.

And Chet has the freak outliers (measurements) and elite talent to be a generational type prospect imo.

[Marcus]

Currently I have Chet and Banch over anyone in this years draft besides Mobley. It’s a wait and see on the upcoming College season and how they perform. But I can see both being better prospects all ends up.

Banch looks like a huge Cade or Ben that can shoot and score minus defense.

And Chet has the freak outliers (measurements) and elite talent to be a generational type prospect imo.

you think Chet puts on the necessary size to handle the position?

[DCasey91]

Currently I have Chet and Banch over anyone in this years draft besides Mobley. It’s a wait and see on the upcoming College season and how they perform. But I can see both being better prospects all ends up.

Banch looks like a huge Cade or Ben that can shoot and score minus defense.

And Chet has the freak outliers (measurements) and elite talent to be a generational type prospect imo.

you think Chet puts on the necessary size to handle the position?

We all know the measurements and talent is all there for Chet and he does have past peers to compare him to.

Look I’m not in love with his frame with the strength department as Durant was wirey and Chet isn’t that and Dirk had euro bulk lol.

Maybe a taller Ingram? I’m more confident in Banch but Chet really does have a huge ceiling here if his body matures. That’s a big what if though. As they get older it’s not a worry just drops the potential ceiling down a tad.

Got to go old school with Chet.

4 Meals a day plus fruit - Meat, potatoes and veggies, yoga/pylometrics, swimming, and lift heavy heavy weights on low volume after getting the lifting technique down with much much smaller weights. He’s young so it’s really a normal diet for someone that young because of metabolism.

Too much new school. Old school is much better. Protein shakes makes you bloated. Rich and dense food is better for the body.

Guaranteed then he’ll pack on 15+ pounds easy throughout the year.

[NO-KG-AI]

My concern with Chet is that he won’t have the strength and athleticism to either be a face up and drive threat or a back to the basket game. I worry he might get stuck like a smaller version of Porzingis where it’s hard for him to create consistently or get quality shots whenever he wants. And I’m not sure he is the defender, rebounder, or passer to be a transcendant player if he’s not a prime time scorer.

[clyde21]

never really agree with these guys too much but here arre their prelim rankings as of now

http://www.tankathon.com/big_board

[yoyoboy]

My concern with Chet is that he won’t have the strength and athleticism to either be a face up and drive threat or a back to the basket game. I worry he might get stuck like a smaller version of Porzingis where it’s hard for him to create consistently or get quality shots whenever he wants. And I’m not sure he is the defender, rebounder, or passer to be a transcendant player if he’s not a prime time scorer.

This is my concern as well. And he's old for his class, having turned 19 over 3 months ago. His frame is just really thin and I'm not sure he'll develop the physicality to do all the things a big needs to be able to do. And despite having great perimeter skills for a big, they're not good enough for him to actually be a wing.

[clyde21]

My concern with Chet is that he won’t have the strength and athleticism to either be a face up and drive threat or a back to the basket game. I worry he might get stuck like a smaller version of Porzingis where it’s hard for him to create consistently or get quality shots whenever he wants. And I’m not sure he is the defender, rebounder, or passer to be a transcendant player if he’s not a prime time scorer.

This is my concern as well. And he's old for his class, having turned 19 over 3 months ago. His frame is just really thin and I'm not sure he'll develop the physicality to do all the things a big needs to be able to do. And despite having great perimeter skills for a big, they're not good enough for him to actually be a wing.

he'll be the same draft age as Mobley

[Duke4life831]

never really agree with these guys too much but here arre their prelim rankings as of now

http://www.tankathon.com/big_board

Same here, but at the moment I must say, my top 5 is identical (well domestic top 5). My 1-5 is the exact order and ya have Paolo and Chet on their own tier.

But I will say this, Im willing to put Chet #1 and even on his own tier if he legally changes his name from Chet to Chad. No person named Chet will ever be #1 on my board. Chad on the other hand, you get a big boost in my rating if your a Chad. And him changing his name to Chad, would be a total Chad move, big positives there for me.

[God Squad]

never really agree with these guys too much but here arre their prelim rankings as of now

http://www.tankathon.com/big_board

Jovic getting underrated by their early board. Plus a name like Nikola Jovic is destined for stardom. In all honesty though this kid is really good. I really like his passing, handle, rebounding and overall game. The jumper needs some work, but it didn't look awful in the U19.

[VCfor3]

There is a rumor that both Bates and Duren could consider teaming up at the University of Memphis with Penny Hardaway. Memphis twitter has been going wild ha. Duren has his announcement later today.

[reamily]

My concern with Chet is that he won’t have the strength and athleticism to either be a face up and drive threat or a back to the basket game. I worry he might get stuck like a smaller version of Porzingis where it’s hard for him to create consistently or get quality shots whenever he wants. And I’m not sure he is the defender, rebounder, or passer to be a transcendant player if he’s not a prime time scorer.

Maybe if he was setup to hilt on offense like the Spurs?

[tmorgan]

If you made me select a guy today, it’s Banchero, no question. NBA body, NBA skills.

I get the appeal of Holmgren, but there’s just so many ways he could go wrong. He makes young Tayshaun Prince look bulky.