Amen & Ausar Thompson - Potential 2022 NBA Draft Guys

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Re: Amen & Ausar Thompson - Potential 2022 NBA Draft Guys 

Post#161 » by clyde21 » Sun Mar 5, 2023 5:56 pm

buzzkilloton wrote:The dice roll on the freak of nature athleticism+size+IQ combo of Amen is still worth a lotto pick. I just expect he goes a bit too high for my liking but I do understand why in theory LIKELY a team will gamble on him top 4.


that's what it boils down to - at which are point are you willing to place a bet on the athletic profile and toolset, b/c it's still hard to get a read on them other than that.

i think the second half of a lotto is a fair bet to make, not sure I can go higher tho unless we see more stuff in offseason workouts or maybe they perform well in combine scrimmages if they participate, etc.
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Re: Amen & Ausar Thompson - Potential 2022 NBA Draft Guys 

Post#162 » by CptCrunch » Mon Mar 6, 2023 12:40 am

Amen Thompson is like Anthony Richardson. But seemingly athleticism matters more than skill in the NFL.
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Post#163 » by Big J » Mon Mar 6, 2023 1:07 am

You can’t teach athleticism. Any NBA coach worth his salt should be able to mold these kids into stars. People shouldn't overthink this.
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Re: Amen & Ausar Thompson - Potential 2022 NBA Draft Guys 

Post#164 » by JMAC3 » Mon Mar 6, 2023 3:16 am

They check nearly every box when it comes to what I am looking for in a basketball player.
Size
Burst
Elite Jumping ability
Can finish through contact
Work Ethic
Winners
Versatile
Long
Defenders
Aggressive
High IQ
Coachable
Great passers
Willing passers
Rebounding
Draw Fouls


Then outside shooting is the negative.

Other than that, and constantly trying to knock them for age and competition level there aren't really enough downsides to keep them from being a top 5 pick
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Re: Amen & Ausar Thompson - Potential 2022 NBA Draft Guys 

Post#165 » by Hal14 » Mon Mar 6, 2023 5:04 pm

You guys should really stop with this "they" stuff.

Stop lumping them in together, as if they're the same player.

Sure, they're twins, who have some similarities and play on the same team in the same league. But they are different prospects, who are different in several ways.

Implying they're the exact same prospect is really oversimplifying and makes it seem like you haven't seen them play much, at all..

-Amen has quicker first step, much better at getting by his man off the dribble
-Amen has better flexibility / body contortion ability
-Amen has better passing, vision, creativity, etc.
-Amen is a slightly better ball handler
-Ausar is more decisive with the ball, whereas Amen sometimes gets in trouble with over dribbling / indecisiveness, trying to do too much on drives..
-Ausar overall is a better defender, partly due to the fact that he's a little bit stronger physically, but also i think his effort & instincts are a little better defensively than Amen
-Amen though can sometimes slide his feet quicker and flip his hips better to stay with drivers, defensively (so the gap defensively isn't huge, but I do give Ausar a slight edge on D)
-Amen is a more efficient scorer closer to the basket, in the paint, at the rim. Amen is much more efficient at converting those shots
-Ausar is a much better 3 pt shooter
-In the half court and in transition, you typically see Ausar as more of a play finisher, and Amen as more of a creator
-Amen is a little bit faster in the open court (i think his 3/4 court sprint is like the fastest any prospect has had in like 10 years or something)
-Amen has a higher vertical leap, one of the highest vertical leaps we have seen in a long time
-On drives, Amen is a little more creative, more in his bag. Ausar is moreso just straight line drives and some spin moves, up and unders and stuff
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything :)
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Post#166 » by Big J » Mon Mar 6, 2023 9:39 pm

We get that there are slight differences in their games. There are also slight differences in the Morris twins games, but they essentially do the same thing at the end of the day.
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Re: Amen & Ausar Thompson - Potential 2022 NBA Draft Guys 

Post#167 » by HiDef » Mon Mar 6, 2023 11:17 pm

I'm in on Amen at #3. His ability to move in 4 directions, NSEW, is just so far beyond anything else the players in this lotto class are bringing to the table. And Ausar is probably right there with him at #4. The potential to be a Lonzo Ball type with slashing is a good deal for the #4 pick, and he has potential to develop into more of a classic shooting guard over time.

In a class with so many players you have to ask if they're athletic enough to make it work in the NBA, or big enough, long enough, the Thompson twins feel like the safe choice.
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Post#168 » by TheSuzerain » Tue Mar 7, 2023 2:53 pm

Yeah I had them in a ? tier, but I think I'm warming to them as tier 2 prospects (with Wemby alone in tier 1).

Definite risk involved but it just seems like very good clay.
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Post#169 » by Big J » Tue Mar 7, 2023 4:40 pm

Yea, I’m leapfrogging these kids over Scoot. The athleticism is too much to ignore.
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Post#170 » by Big J » Tue Mar 7, 2023 5:45 pm

If you see me refer to these kids as they I am only talking about one of them. I prefer to use proper pc they/them pronouns when speaking about a person.
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Re: Amen & Ausar Thompson - Potential 2022 NBA Draft Guys 

Post#171 » by JMAC3 » Tue Mar 7, 2023 11:57 pm

How many 6'7''+ primary ball handlers are in the NBA?

Then how many of them are as atheltic as Amen and Ausar?
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Post#172 » by clyde21 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 2:00 am

JMAC3 wrote:How many 6'7''+ primary ball handlers are in the NBA?

Then how many of them are as atheltic as Amen and Ausar?


not very many, only question is if they are actually primary ball handlers in the NBA...thats the bet you're making depending on how high you take em
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Post#173 » by JMAC3 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 2:46 am

Ausar hit a game winning 3 tonight with 3 seconds left to put them up 2. His fourth 3 of the game giving him 24 points on the night.

Back to back finals mvps for him
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Post#174 » by JMAC3 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 3:12 am

And for the no talent group
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/35707557/2024-nba-mock-draft-why-bronny-james-projected-top-10-pick

The team they just beat 3-0 in finals (all close games) has the projected 16th and 17th picks on the team in 24 nba draft.
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Post#175 » by JMAC3 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 4:37 am

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Post#176 » by CP War Hawks » Wed Mar 8, 2023 4:50 am

Don't what the debate is. I'm a fan of both with their Jaylen Brown like athletic and physical profile. I'm hoping Ausar falls to the Hawks if people question their high volatile bust factor in a very deep swingmen draft.
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Post#177 » by MemphisX » Wed Mar 8, 2023 8:51 am

JMAC3 wrote:Ausar hit a game winning 3 tonight with 3 seconds left to put them up 2. His fourth 3 of the game giving him 24 points on the night.

Back to back finals mvps for him



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Post#178 » by JMAC3 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 9:47 pm

Hard to really hate on these guys ability to win games.

They went 19- 1 including 5-0 in the playoffs. Ausar won MVP in the reg season and back to back MVP in postseason.

Prior to joining OTE they won their state title. Ausar has basically won 3 straight titles.
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Re: Amen & Ausar Thompson - Potential 2022 NBA Draft Guys 

Post#179 » by JMAC3 » Sat Mar 18, 2023 5:34 am

Watch these guys work like crazy over the next 3 months and shoot the lights out in workouts.
They also seem like very bright kids in interviews.

Also think the whole age thing has been blown out of proportion with them, they are virtually the same age or within 6 months of age to Miller, Walker, Dick and Keyonte.
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Re: Amen & Ausar Thompson - Potential 2022 NBA Draft Guys 

Post#180 » by basketballRob » Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:07 am

I'm trying to like them, but what makes them better than MCW?

I want to like them because the Magic are positioned to draft them both.

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