Jabari Smith Jr. - Auburn

[EMG518]

He's a year younger than Chet. He's two years younger than Ivey and Davis. He's 6'10" with a great frame and a lights out shooter.

How do people not see him as #1 is my question?

That really doesnt explain why you should take him 1st overall.

It really does though, unless you don't think production accounting for age is important. Jabari is one of the most productive 18-year olds ever basically. And like I said, he's just about the perfect archetype for the modern game.

Again, what exactly do you not get? Explain to me what "you're not seeing".

Having a good frame, being a really good shooter for your size and being young doesn't suffice for me to be picked 1st overall.

Is he the perfect archetype?

He is 6'10" but he doesn't offer much in the form of rim protection.
He shoots the ball well but he seems to take alot of contested shots and have a pretty low fg% for a guy that size.
He doesn't seem to get many east baskets or to the rim.
I don't see him having the ability to handle the ball like a point forward now or ever or being particularly good at creating offense for others or passing.
He is not particularly good at rebounding for his size.

But maybe I am missing something.

[jman3134]

Chet might go #1, but I prefer Jabari. Not sure what isn't being seen: decent defensive potential, lights out shooter on the #1 team in the country, NBA dad, younger than Chet/Paolo/Ivey, size.

[clyde21]

That really doesnt explain why you should take him 1st overall.

It really does though, unless you don't think production accounting for age is important. Jabari is one of the most productive 18-year olds ever basically. And like I said, he's just about the perfect archetype for the modern game.

Again, what exactly do you not get? Explain to me what "you're not seeing".

Having a good frame, being a really good shooter for your size and being young doesn't suffice for me to be picked 1st overall.

Is he the perfect archetype?

He is 6'10" but he doesn't offer much in the form of rim protection.
He shoots the ball well but he seems to take alot of contested shots and have a pretty low fg% for a guy that size.
He doesn't seem to get many east baskets or to the rim.
I don't see him having the ability to handle the ball like a point forward now or ever or being particularly good at creating offense for others or passing.
He is not particularly good at rebounding for his size.

But maybe I am missing something.

- yea, he's doesn't offer rim protection, but he's also not a center, and out of the top 5 (chet/paolo/ivey/whoever), he's by far the best defender overall

- i guess you can make an argument that he needs to shoot better shots, but his FG% argument is nonsense because no one in this draft takes the types of shots that he takes at his size especially, pull ups, jabs, sides, off-dribbles, turnarounds, fadeaways, he has a complete scoring arsenal and isn't afraid to use it. he's not just getting his points off dunks and put backs so you can't comp his FG% to any other big

- i dont know what this means

- okay, he's not a point forward. and Paolo isn't a PG. what's your point?

- pretty false. averaging over 8rebs per 36 and that's while playing next to a center (Kessler) and being a primarily perimeter player essentially.

[EMG518]

It really does though, unless you don't think production accounting for age is important. Jabari is one of the most productive 18-year olds ever basically. And like I said, he's just about the perfect archetype for the modern game.

Again, what exactly do you not get? Explain to me what "you're not seeing".

Having a good frame, being a really good shooter for your size and being young doesn't suffice for me to be picked 1st overall.

Is he the perfect archetype?

He is 6'10" but he doesn't offer much in the form of rim protection.
He shoots the ball well but he seems to take alot of contested shots and have a pretty low fg% for a guy that size.
He doesn't seem to get many east baskets or to the rim.
I don't see him having the ability to handle the ball like a point forward now or ever or being particularly good at creating offense for others or passing.
He is not particularly good at rebounding for his size.

But maybe I am missing something.

- yea, he's doesn't offer rim protection, but he's also not a center, and out of the top 5 (chet/paolo/ivey/whoever), he's by far the best defender overall

- i guess you can make an argument that he needs to shoot better shots, but his FG% argument is nonsense because no one in this draft takes the types of shots that he takes at his size especially, pull ups, jabs, sides, off-dribbles, turnarounds, fadeaways, he has a complete scoring arsenal and isn't afraid to use it. he's not just getting his points off dunks and put backs so you can't comp his FG% to any other big

- i dont know what this means

- okay, he's not a point forward. and Paolo isn't a PG. what's your point?

- pretty false. averaging over 8rebs per 36 and that's while playing next to a center (Kessler) and being a primarily perimeter player essentially.

I don't agree he is the best defender and providing rim protection from the 4 is useful. I think Chet has way more of a defensive impact and Ivey has the tools to be a plus defender.

I would feel more comfortable if he had shown the proclivity to get an easy bucket but everything seems to be high effort, low percentage, and contested shots. Yes he has a nice shot but if he can't get a good high percentage look himself and he doesnt have ball handling and creating capabilities that really limits what he can be.

I wouldn't take Paolo 1 and I can recognize Paolo has his shortcomings. I'm not sure why people don't see them with Jabari and would take him 1 honestly.

Is he the best player on a team? 2nd? 3rd?

Ivey looks like an all star in the making and a 1a 1b type guy. I could be wrong but Davis looks like he could also be a 1a 1b guy. Chet looks like he could as well to me.

[clyde21]

Having a good frame, being a really good shooter for your size and being young doesn't suffice for me to be picked 1st overall.

Is he the perfect archetype?

He is 6'10" but he doesn't offer much in the form of rim protection.
He shoots the ball well but he seems to take alot of contested shots and have a pretty low fg% for a guy that size.
He doesn't seem to get many east baskets or to the rim.
I don't see him having the ability to handle the ball like a point forward now or ever or being particularly good at creating offense for others or passing.
He is not particularly good at rebounding for his size.

But maybe I am missing something.

- yea, he's doesn't offer rim protection, but he's also not a center, and out of the top 5 (chet/paolo/ivey/whoever), he's by far the best defender overall

- i guess you can make an argument that he needs to shoot better shots, but his FG% argument is nonsense because no one in this draft takes the types of shots that he takes at his size especially, pull ups, jabs, sides, off-dribbles, turnarounds, fadeaways, he has a complete scoring arsenal and isn't afraid to use it. he's not just getting his points off dunks and put backs so you can't comp his FG% to any other big

- i dont know what this means

- okay, he's not a point forward. and Paolo isn't a PG. what's your point?

- pretty false. averaging over 8rebs per 36 and that's while playing next to a center (Kessler) and being a primarily perimeter player essentially.

I don't agree he is the best defender and providing rim protection from the 4 is useful. I think Chet has way more of a defensive impact and Ivey has the tools to be a plus defender.

I would feel more comfortable if he had shown the proclivity to get an easy bucket but everything seems to be high effort, low percentage, and contested shots. Yes he has a nice shot but if he can't get a good high percentage look himself and he doesnt have ball handling and creating capabilities that really limits what he can be.

I wouldn't take Paolo 1 and I can recognize Paolo has his shortcomings. I'm not sure why people don't see them with Jabari and would take him 1 honestly.

Is he the best player on a team? 2nd? 3rd?

Ivey looks like an all star in the making and a 1a 1b type guy. I could be wrong but Davis looks like he could also be a 1a 1b guy. Chet looks like he could as well to me.

so who are the guys you're taking #1 and why?

[EMG518]

so who are the guys you're taking #1 and why?

I'm taking Chet at #1 and I'm torn between Ivey and Davis at #2.

To me the real knock on Chet and what scares people off is his body. I think it's a bit overblown and if you actually put that concern aside is there really a better type of player for the league. Huge potential on both sides of the ball. Disruptive defensive presence with his length and mobility and very skilled offensively and can continue to develop there. He has great dexterity and feet move really well for someone that tall and long. He can be special.

Ivey has all the tools to be an all star and franchise level point guard and I'm 100% playing him there. He has the athleticism of a Westbrook, great size and length for the position, can get anywhere he wants on the court, can finish around the rim. What you are doing with him is developing his decision making and his shooting. You put the ball in his hands and let him go to work.

Davis as well has the tools to be a top scorer in the league, can score in every which way, has decent size, but is strong and moves well. He is solid defensively as well.

All of these bases seem more appealing to me #1.

The end result of getting the best player possible, picking any of them I believe leads to a higher probability than picking Jabari.

[clyde21]

i'm one of the biggest Davis guys on this board but what? #1? that's just insanity.

[EvanZ]

so who are the guys you're taking #1 and why?

I'm taking Chet at #1 and I'm torn between Ivey and Davis at #2.

To me the real knock on Chet and what scares people off is his body. I think it's a bit overblown and if you actually put that concern aside is there really a better type of player for the league.

Yeah, man. When I put certain bad thoughts aside anything is possible. Did you have Alonzo Trier #1?

[EMG518]

so who are the guys you're taking #1 and why?

I'm taking Chet at #1 and I'm torn between Ivey and Davis at #2.

To me the real knock on Chet and what scares people off is his body. I think it's a bit overblown and if you actually put that concern aside is there really a better type of player for the league.

Yeah, man. When I put certain bad thoughts aside anything is possible. Did you have Alonzo Trier #1?

To say this post is a waste of space in this thread and just dumb is an understatement. If you want to actually make the case for Jabari at #1 and have an intelligent conversation feel free to try again. If you think Chet is comparable to Trier then maybe just save your thoughts, they will be more of a waste of space here.

[XTC]

I see the intrigue in Jabari's game. He really does remind me of Rashard Lewis when he was in Seattle, who was a match up nightmare.

Quick, athletic, size, and a silky smooth jumpshot.

[TravisScott55]

I like Smith more and more when I watch him

[EvanZ]

Weird to hear someone say Jabari can't get an easy shot when he's shooting 40% on 3s and 80% from the line on fairly high volume. He's 6'10" with a high release. He can shoot over almost anyone. That's an easy shot and extremely efficient. But different strokes I guess. Some people still locked into the 90s mindset.

[mattao313]

Weird to hear someone say Jabari can't get an easy shot when he's shooting 40% on 3s and 80% from the line on fairly high volume. He's 6'10" with a high release. He can shoot over almost anyone. That's an easy shot and extremely efficient. But different strokes I guess. Some people still locked into the 90s mindset.

I think he means getting to the rim off the dribble consistently instead of taking low percentage fade away midrange jumpers that most coaches in the NBA don't want you taking.

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[clyde21]

a 6-10 filthy scorer with one of the most advanced scoring repertoires we've seen for an 18 yr old, dominating the SEC as a FS, who plays two ways.

i don't think this is that complicated folks.

[EvanZ]

Weird to hear someone say Jabari can't get an easy shot when he's shooting 40% on 3s and 80% from the line on fairly high volume. He's 6'10" with a high release. He can shoot over almost anyone. That's an easy shot and extremely efficient. But different strokes I guess. Some people still locked into the 90s mindset.

I think he means getting to the rim off the dribble consistently instead of taking low percentage fade away midrange jumpers that most coaches in the NBA don't want you taking.

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Is he taking low percentage fade away midrange jumpers at a high volume? Again, if you're 6'10" you can get your shot off against most everyone all the time. It's not complicated.

[mattao313]

Weird to hear someone say Jabari can't get an easy shot when he's shooting 40% on 3s and 80% from the line on fairly high volume. He's 6'10" with a high release. He can shoot over almost anyone. That's an easy shot and extremely efficient. But different strokes I guess. Some people still locked into the 90s mindset.

I think he means getting to the rim off the dribble consistently instead of taking low percentage fade away midrange jumpers that most coaches in the NBA don't want you taking.

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Is he taking low percentage fade away midrange jumpers at a high volume? Again, if you're 6'10" you can get your shot off against most everyone all the time. It's not complicated.

Ok so why is his 2pt percentage low?

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[clyde21]

I think he means getting to the rim off the dribble consistently instead of taking low percentage fade away midrange jumpers that most coaches in the NBA don't want you taking.

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Is he taking low percentage fade away midrange jumpers at a high volume? Again, if you're 6'10" you can get your shot off against most everyone all the time. It's not complicated.

Ok so why is his 2pt percentage low?

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who says its low?

[mattao313]

Is he taking low percentage fade away midrange jumpers at a high volume? Again, if you're 6'10" you can get your shot off against most everyone all the time. It's not complicated.

Ok so why is his 2pt percentage low?

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who says its low?

45% for a 6'10 guy isn't good.

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[clyde21]

Ok so why is his 2pt percentage low?

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who says its low?

45% for a 6'10 guy isn't good.

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[SeattleJazzFan]

It really does though, unless you don't think production accounting for age is important. Jabari is one of the most productive 18-year olds ever basically. And like I said, he's just about the perfect archetype for the modern game.

Again, what exactly do you not get? Explain to me what "you're not seeing".

Having a good frame, being a really good shooter for your size and being young doesn't suffice for me to be picked 1st overall.

Is he the perfect archetype?

He is 6'10" but he doesn't offer much in the form of rim protection.
He shoots the ball well but he seems to take alot of contested shots and have a pretty low fg% for a guy that size.
He doesn't seem to get many east baskets or to the rim.
I don't see him having the ability to handle the ball like a point forward now or ever or being particularly good at creating offense for others or passing.
He is not particularly good at rebounding for his size.

But maybe I am missing something.

- yea, he's doesn't offer rim protection, but he's also not a center, and out of the top 5 (chet/paolo/ivey/whoever), he's by far the best defender overall

- i guess you can make an argument that he needs to shoot better shots, but his FG% argument is nonsense because no one in this draft takes the types of shots that he takes at his size especially, pull ups, jabs, sides, off-dribbles, turnarounds, fadeaways, he has a complete scoring arsenal and isn't afraid to use it. he's not just getting his points off dunks and put backs so you can't comp his FG% to any other big

- i dont know what this means

- okay, he's not a point forward. and Paolo isn't a PG. what's your point?

- pretty false. averaging over 8rebs per 36 and that's while playing next to a center (Kessler) and being a primarily perimeter player essentially.

sorry clyde, on the bolded, you miss the mark. you say the FG% argument is nonsense because no one takes those kinds of shots. dude it's his fault he's only taking those shots. it's his fault he does nothing in the post. it's his fault he can't or wont get to the rim. the fact he only takes those shots is a problem, but you seem to want to use it as a way to excuse the fact he's an inefficient scorer. that doesn't make sense.

but worse, you say he has a complete scoring arsenal - ha. no, he doesn't. if taking tough jump shots and fadeaways from 18 to 22 feet from all over the court means he has a complete arsenal, then sure he has a complete scoring arsenal. his arsenal consists of three pointers and difficult long twos. if he had a complete arsenal, oh i don't know, he might get to the rim, he might take advantage of matchups and do some damage in the low post and as a result his efficiency would improve. but no, he has an aversion to paint scoring so that arsenal consists of different ways of taking long range jumpers.

i like jabari - i might take him #1, but there is a reason he's not more efficient and he has only himself to blame for that. a TS% of 56% and FG% of 43% is not good for a guy of his skill level and size. you can't spin it any other way.

clyde: well, it's that bad because he only takes hard shots! uh yeah, that's the problem, my friend.