Jaden Ivey

[buzzkilloton]

I personally dont get why you would want to try and turn Ivey into a lead guard. That isnt his skill set in anyway, to me that feels like youre wasting time trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

If Im drafting Ivey I want to put him in his best chance of maxing out his potential and to me that is letting him focus on scoring. Instead of trying to learn how to run an offense and try and find the fine line of running an offense and finding his own shot. The vast majority of guys fail inn figuring out that line.

When I draft him the only thing I want him working on is his jump shot, that to me is far more important in maxing out his potential than him learning how to run an offense, and to me that is far more feasible of a goal to reach as well.

Ivey to me is as easy of a guy to figure out a role for as there is in this draft. You plug him into the LaVine/Mitchell role. Ya he will most likely end up leading the time in Time Per Possession and he will be my team's secondary facilitator, but Im plugging him next to an actual PG. I want to pair him next to a Mike Conley (younger version), Lonzo Ball, Tyus Jones kind of PG. PGs that are good defenders, that dont need to dominate the ball in the half court, but when they have the ball they can be very good at settling the offense down and running sets very well.

This is why I hope Ivey ends up in Detroit. Ivey is best when used like he was for Team USA. Ivey has shown nothing that leads me to want him to be my teams primary ball handler and I think he is best used off ball. Making him a primary, especially early in his career, would be disastrous.

Detroit sliding into the 2 between Cade and Bey is one of the better fits for him in the top10, I'd just have him slash off-ball all day and pressure the rim, while Cade runs the offense and Bey spaces.

Yeah he fits pretty well. He of course is going to have to keep working on the 3pter. The other thing is we need him to dial it on defense. He has the tools to be a good defender if he can become a Jrue Holiday like on that end and hit a open shot look the F out.

Just need the Kings to do a Kings thing and take Murray and good to go.

[Big J]

This is why I hope Ivey ends up in Detroit. Ivey is best when used like he was for Team USA. Ivey has shown nothing that leads me to want him to be my teams primary ball handler and I think he is best used off ball. Making him a primary, especially early in his career, would be disastrous.

Detroit sliding into the 2 between Cade and Bey is one of the better fits for him in the top10, I'd just have him slash off-ball all day and pressure the rim, while Cade runs the offense and Bey spaces.

Yeah he fits pretty well. He of course is going to have to keep working on the 3pter. The other thing is we need him to dial it on defense. He has the tools to be a good defender if he can become a Jrue Holiday like on that end and hit a open shot look the F out.

Just need the Kings to do a Kings thing and take Murray and good to go.

I love Ivey, but he’s never going to be anywhere close to Jrue on defense. He can hopefully get around league average on that end. He’s going to make his bones on the offensive end as an elite scorer & playmaker.

[buzzkilloton]

Detroit sliding into the 2 between Cade and Bey is one of the better fits for him in the top10, I'd just have him slash off-ball all day and pressure the rim, while Cade runs the offense and Bey spaces.

Yeah he fits pretty well. He of course is going to have to keep working on the 3pter. The other thing is we need him to dial it on defense. He has the tools to be a good defender if he can become a Jrue Holiday like on that end and hit a open shot look the F out.

Just need the Kings to do a Kings thing and take Murray and good to go.

I love Ivey, but he’s never going to be anywhere close to Jrue on defense. He can hopefully get around league average on that end. He’s going to make his bones on the offensive end as an elite scorer & playmaker.

Hes 20 years old 6'4 with a 6'9 wingspan(not special but 6'9 is more then fine on a guard) and is a top 1% athlete in the NBA. If the right culture and coaching is around him he can potentially be a good defender. Sure he hasnt shown it yet but the tools are there.

[Big J]

Yeah he fits pretty well. He of course is going to have to keep working on the 3pter. The other thing is we need him to dial it on defense. He has the tools to be a good defender if he can become a Jrue Holiday like on that end and hit a open shot look the F out.

Just need the Kings to do a Kings thing and take Murray and good to go.

I love Ivey, but he’s never going to be anywhere close to Jrue on defense. He can hopefully get around league average on that end. He’s going to make his bones on the offensive end as an elite scorer & playmaker.

Hes 20 years old 6'4 with a 6'9 wingspan(not special but 6'9 is more then fine on a guard) and is a top 1% athlete in the NBA. If the right culture and coaching is around him he can potentially be a good defender.

Jrue was born with natural instincts on defense that Ivey just wasn’t. Wingspan and culture can help, but look at Donovan Mitchell. He’s got a 7’ wingspan and was coached by Quinn Snyder and Rudy Gobert and he is still turrible on that end.

I expect that Iveys gonna want to make a name for himself and a few all star teams and get paid before he starts caring about sacrificing offensive stats for defense.

[clyde21]

lol he not just gonna turn into maybe the best perimeter defender in the NBA because hes athletic.

apparently all you need to be a mix of Ja Morant and Jrue Holiday is run fast.

dude is very quickly turning into the most overrated player in the draft.

[buzzkilloton]

lol he not just gonna turn into maybe the best perimeter defender in the NBA because hes athletic.

apparently all you need to be a mix of Ja Morant and Jrue Holiday is run fast.

dude is very quickly turning into the most overrated player in the draft.

I didnt say its likely I said look out if he did strawman.

That said to say he cant be a all nba defender is pretty absurd. It might not be likely but its 100% in a range of outcomes. I'm surely not drafting Ivey today as finished product hes all about potential he has alot of warts to workout still. The guy has all the tools he just hasnt shown the IQ and intensity on that end but that doesnt mean it wont come.

[buzzkilloton]

I love Ivey, but he’s never going to be anywhere close to Jrue on defense. He can hopefully get around league average on that end. He’s going to make his bones on the offensive end as an elite scorer & playmaker.

Hes 20 years old 6'4 with a 6'9 wingspan(not special but 6'9 is more then fine on a guard) and is a top 1% athlete in the NBA. If the right culture and coaching is around him he can potentially be a good defender.

Jrue was born with natural instincts on defense that Ivey just wasn’t. Wingspan and culture can help, but look at Donovan Mitchell. He’s got a 7’ wingspan and was coached by Quinn Snyder and Rudy Gobert and he is still turrible on that end.

I expect that Iveys gonna want to make a name for himself and a few all star teams and get paid before he starts caring about sacrificing offensive stats for defense.

D.Mitch was actually said to be a good defender coming out. He never had a chance to focus on that end though he was doing the heavy lifting on offense right away. He went from good college defender to awful pro. Could of been overrated in college on d i guess but still that was the word on him at the time.

Anyways I think if he comes to the Pistons he will be in a position to improve on that end. I hope we can get him.

[SelfishPlayer]

Who knew that Jrue Holiday was going to be a great defender when he was in college? Westbrook was supposed to be a great defender based upon him shutting down OJ Mayo in college.

[clyde21]

Hes 20 years old 6'4 with a 6'9 wingspan(not special but 6'9 is more then fine on a guard) and is a top 1% athlete in the NBA. If the right culture and coaching is around him he can potentially be a good defender.

Jrue was born with natural instincts on defense that Ivey just wasn’t. Wingspan and culture can help, but look at Donovan Mitchell. He’s got a 7’ wingspan and was coached by Quinn Snyder and Rudy Gobert and he is still turrible on that end.

I expect that Iveys gonna want to make a name for himself and a few all star teams and get paid before he starts caring about sacrificing offensive stats for defense.

D.Mitch was actually said to be a good defender coming out. He never had a chance to focus on that end though he was doing the heavy lifting on offense right away. He went from good college defender to awful pro. Could of been overrated in college on d i guess but still that was the word on him at the time.

Anyways I think if he comes to the Pistons he will be in a position to improve on that end. I hope we can get him.

there is a difference between 'he will improve' and saying he might turn into the best defensive G in the NBA.

[buzzkilloton]

Jrue was born with natural instincts on defense that Ivey just wasn’t. Wingspan and culture can help, but look at Donovan Mitchell. He’s got a 7’ wingspan and was coached by Quinn Snyder and Rudy Gobert and he is still turrible on that end.

I expect that Iveys gonna want to make a name for himself and a few all star teams and get paid before he starts caring about sacrificing offensive stats for defense.

D.Mitch was actually said to be a good defender coming out. He never had a chance to focus on that end though he was doing the heavy lifting on offense right away. He went from good college defender to awful pro. Could of been overrated in college on d i guess but still that was the word on him at the time.

Anyways I think if he comes to the Pistons he will be in a position to improve on that end. I hope we can get him.

there is a difference between 'he will improve' and saying he might turn into the best defensive G in the NBA.

"He has the tools to be a good defender if he can become Jrue Holiday like on that end and hit a open shot look the F out."

I said he has the tools to be a good defender and if he can become Jrue Holiday like and hit shots look out. You twist it into I'm saying hes going to be Jrue Holiday.

[clyde21]

D.Mitch was actually said to be a good defender coming out. He never had a chance to focus on that end though he was doing the heavy lifting on offense right away. He went from good college defender to awful pro. Could of been overrated in college on d i guess but still that was the word on him at the time.

Anyways I think if he comes to the Pistons he will be in a position to improve on that end. I hope we can get him.

there is a difference between 'he will improve' and saying he might turn into the best defensive G in the NBA.

"He has the tools to be a good defender if he can become Jrue Holiday like on that end and hit a open shot look the F out."

I said he has the tools to be a good defender and if he can become Jrue Holiday like and hit shots look out. You twist it into I'm saying hes going to be Jrue Holiday.

okay but you can say that about anyone? if Dyson Daniels becomes Jrue Holiday. If Bennedict Mathurin becomes Jrue Holiday. if Johnny Davis becomes Jrue Holiday. is there anything specific about Ivey that makes him more likely to become Holiday than any of these players?

its just a weird extrapolation to make at this point. if he becomes an above average defender in the NBA you take that as a win, but bringing up THE single best perimeter defender in the NBA is odd.

[jman3134]

He's already an excellent defender. You don't have to read into his tools that much. Great lateral quicks, excellent hands. Cream of this class.

[buzzkilloton]

there is a difference between 'he will improve' and saying he might turn into the best defensive G in the NBA.

"He has the tools to be a good defender if he can become Jrue Holiday like on that end and hit a open shot look the F out."

I said he has the tools to be a good defender and if he can become Jrue Holiday like and hit shots look out. You twist it into I'm saying hes going to be Jrue Holiday.

okay but you can say that about anyone? if Dyson Daniels becomes Jrue Holiday. If Bennedict Mathurin becomes Jrue Holiday. if Johnny Davis becomes Jrue Holiday. is there anything specific about Ivey that makes him more likely to become Holiday than any of these players?

its just a weird extrapolation to make at this point. if he becomes an above average defender in the NBA you take that as a win, but bringing up THE single best perimeter defender in the NBA is odd.

I didnt say hes going to be Jrue Holiday that is your strawman argument. Carry on though!

[Mrakar]

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/insider/story/_/id/34089687/2022-nba-mock-draft-first-round-changes-include-lottery-movement

4. Sacramento Kings

Jaden Ivey
Purdue
PG/SG
Age: 20.3

The Kings aren't Ivey's preferred destination but have proved willing to take players without the benefit of workouts and medical information in the past, doing so as recently as a year ago when selecting Davion Mitchell. Many around the NBA feel that this pick is available for a team looking to swap picks and move up the draft for Ivey. Detroit, Indiana and Oklahoma City are among those that could potentially exchange an asset to help the Kings' chances of contending for a playoff spot, with the likes of Jerami Grant, Myles Turner and Lu Dort a few potential options that rival teams point to. In the event that the Kings elect to hold on to this pick and prefer to avoid the drama associated with picking a player against his camp's will, the candidacy of Keegan Murray might be gaining steam with head coach-to-be Mike Brown. Owner Vivek Ranadive is also said to be a proponent of selecting him.

Sounds like Ivey isn’t working out/ speaking to the kings

I would take that as red flag for all small market teams. He is probably asking for a trade after rookie extension.
I would enjoy him droping to #10 because of that attitude but sadly its not happening...

[Big J]

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/insider/story/_/id/34089687/2022-nba-mock-draft-first-round-changes-include-lottery-movement

4. Sacramento Kings

Jaden Ivey
Purdue
PG/SG
Age: 20.3

The Kings aren't Ivey's preferred destination but have proved willing to take players without the benefit of workouts and medical information in the past, doing so as recently as a year ago when selecting Davion Mitchell. Many around the NBA feel that this pick is available for a team looking to swap picks and move up the draft for Ivey. Detroit, Indiana and Oklahoma City are among those that could potentially exchange an asset to help the Kings' chances of contending for a playoff spot, with the likes of Jerami Grant, Myles Turner and Lu Dort a few potential options that rival teams point to. In the event that the Kings elect to hold on to this pick and prefer to avoid the drama associated with picking a player against his camp's will, the candidacy of Keegan Murray might be gaining steam with head coach-to-be Mike Brown. Owner Vivek Ranadive is also said to be a proponent of selecting him.

Sounds like Ivey isn’t working out/ speaking to the kings

I would take that as red flag for all small market teams. He is probably asking for a trade after rookie extension.
I would enjoy him droping to #10 because of that attitude but sadly its not happening...

Bro, it’s the Kings. He’s smart for not wanting to go to that dumpster fire.

[buzzkilloton]

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/insider/story/_/id/34089687/2022-nba-mock-draft-first-round-changes-include-lottery-movement

4. Sacramento Kings

Jaden Ivey
Purdue
PG/SG
Age: 20.3

The Kings aren't Ivey's preferred destination but have proved willing to take players without the benefit of workouts and medical information in the past, doing so as recently as a year ago when selecting Davion Mitchell. Many around the NBA feel that this pick is available for a team looking to swap picks and move up the draft for Ivey. Detroit, Indiana and Oklahoma City are among those that could potentially exchange an asset to help the Kings' chances of contending for a playoff spot, with the likes of Jerami Grant, Myles Turner and Lu Dort a few potential options that rival teams point to. In the event that the Kings elect to hold on to this pick and prefer to avoid the drama associated with picking a player against his camp's will, the candidacy of Keegan Murray might be gaining steam with head coach-to-be Mike Brown. Owner Vivek Ranadive is also said to be a proponent of selecting him.

Sounds like Ivey isn’t working out/ speaking to the kings

I would take that as red flag for all small market teams. He is probably asking for a trade after rookie extension.
I would enjoy him droping to #10 because of that attitude but sadly its not happening...

Kobe Bryant refused to play for the Hornets and he turned out OK. I see no reason to knock Ivey for not wanting to go to terrible franchise that is also a bad fit for him.

[The-Power]

I would take that as red flag for all small market teams. He is probably asking for a trade after rookie extension.
I would enjoy him droping to #10 because of that attitude but sadly its not happening...

If he doesn't like small-market teams, then why does it just happen to Sacramento? After the Kings, it's Detroit, Indiana, Portland and New Orleans picking. Not exactly a line-up of mega-markets. So why would he potentially leave money on the table (trying to lower his draft position) in order to be drafted by a team that he'd likewise not want to stay with? Doesn't make sense.

The obvious answer here is that it's a Kings-specific issue. We can talk all about the Kings poor choices, organizational turmoil and lack of success in the past, but let's even leave that aside. The Kings already have Fox and Mitchell, and they happen to have a high-usage big that isn't a great shooter in Sabonis. How does Ivey fit? What's his role? I can't blame Ivey for not wanting to go to a team that already has a PG who has a similar profile to him, a second PG with a questionable shot who they took in the lottery just a year ago, and an interior big who likes to have the ball in his hands.

What's the issue? He only has one career. If teams have intel that this is a larger attitude issue, they'll consider that accordingly. But so far, this is just a projected high pick not wanting to work out for a team he fits terribly. That's his prerogative. If the Kings select him and he tries shady stuff to get out, then that's a problem. But that's unlikely. He isn't the first and won't be the last player not wanting to go to the team that ultimately drafted them, and he isn't the first and won't be the last player who'll work hard nonetheless once drafted.

Friendly reminder: Steph Curry really didn't want to be drafted by the Warriors and his team made that very clear at the time. He didn't work out for the Warriors either. They still drafted him, Curry still showed up with no issues, and here we are happily ever after.

[7r5ur]

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/insider/story/_/id/34089687/2022-nba-mock-draft-first-round-changes-include-lottery-movement

4. Sacramento Kings

Jaden Ivey
Purdue
PG/SG
Age: 20.3

The Kings aren't Ivey's preferred destination but have proved willing to take players without the benefit of workouts and medical information in the past, doing so as recently as a year ago when selecting Davion Mitchell. Many around the NBA feel that this pick is available for a team looking to swap picks and move up the draft for Ivey. Detroit, Indiana and Oklahoma City are among those that could potentially exchange an asset to help the Kings' chances of contending for a playoff spot, with the likes of Jerami Grant, Myles Turner and Lu Dort a few potential options that rival teams point to. In the event that the Kings elect to hold on to this pick and prefer to avoid the drama associated with picking a player against his camp's will, the candidacy of Keegan Murray might be gaining steam with head coach-to-be Mike Brown. Owner Vivek Ranadive is also said to be a proponent of selecting him.

Sounds like Ivey isn’t working out/ speaking to the kings

I would take that as red flag for all small market teams. He is probably asking for a trade after rookie extension.
I would enjoy him droping to #10 because of that attitude but sadly its not happening...

He mentioned wanting to go to Detroit (a small market team). Probably he just sees the guard logjam that forced the Kings to trade Haliburton last year and he doesn't want to be a part of that.

[jman3134]

Bingo. It has to do with Davion Mitchell and being caught in an all guard lineup.

[SNPA]

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Sounds like Ivey isn’t working out/ speaking to the kings

I would take that as red flag for all small market teams. He is probably asking for a trade after rookie extension.
I would enjoy him droping to #10 because of that attitude but sadly its not happening...

He mentioned wanting to go to Detroit (a small market team). Probably he just sees the guard logjam that forced the Kings to trade Haliburton last year and he doesn't want to be a part of that.

Most prospects don’t want to be drafted by Sac. Monte will still draft BPA.