Scoot Henderson

[clyde21]

The Gleague talent is so incredibly overrated.

I really don't think because Scoot is playing against Gabe York, Grant Riller and Shariffe Cooper we should applaud him.

Someone like Keyonte George has logged more minutes vs future NBA players than he has this season.

You do realize that players develop after college, right? The G-League is way better than the NCAA in terms of how good the players are no matter how you slice it. There are some HS teams that have serious NBA future talent. They still can't hold a candle to grown up professionals at that point.

On the game: really rough game for Scoot. His shot would not drop at all, the shot selection wasn't great, and he played poor defense. He's been struggling a bit lately and it'll be interesting to see how he responds. He'll have to pick it up again if he wants to be the #2 pick this year.

At the end of the day they are in the gleague for a reason, guys in college will have roster spots and play more in the NBA before them. The overall average player might be better in gleague, but the top tier talent is better in college.

Using my Keyonte George example.... Keyonte Johnson, Nick Smith, Anthony Black, Gradey Dick, Jalen Wilson, Jaylen Clark, Jaime Jacquez, Julian Strawther are probably all playing majority of mins in NBA next season. All of these players are better than Riller, Cooper and York.

Just stop with this bad take, the worst G League team would go undefeated in college. Literally everyone playing in the G League was a great college player at one point pretty much.

not sure how you're continuing the double down here.

[Big J]

You do realize that players develop after college, right? The G-League is way better than the NCAA in terms of how good the players are no matter how you slice it. There are some HS teams that have serious NBA future talent. They still can't hold a candle to grown up professionals at that point.

On the game: really rough game for Scoot. His shot would not drop at all, the shot selection wasn't great, and he played poor defense. He's been struggling a bit lately and it'll be interesting to see how he responds. He'll have to pick it up again if he wants to be the #2 pick this year.

At the end of the day they are in the gleague for a reason, guys in college will have roster spots and play more in the NBA before them. The overall average player might be better in gleague, but the top tier talent is better in college.

Using my Keyonte George example.... Keyonte Johnson, Nick Smith, Anthony Black, Gradey Dick, Jalen Wilson, Jaylen Clark, Jaime Jacquez, Julian Strawther are probably all playing majority of mins in NBA next season. All of these players are better than Riller, Cooper and York.

Just stop with this bad take, the worst G League team would go undefeated in college. Literally everyone playing in the G League was a great college player at one point pretty much.

not sure how you're continuing the double down here.

They may be 2x more talented than the best team, but with the variance of the short college 3 point line there is no guarantee that they would go undefeated. It's why we see these tiny schools taking down powerhouses in the tourney.

[clyde21]

let's take a look at who plays for the the Squadron, the worst G League team right now -

Dereon Seabron: posted 17/8/3 as a sophomore in college and was drafted in the 2nd round
Javonte Smart: was a 3 year starter in the SEC (LSU) and was posting 16/4/4 as a jr
Malcolm Hill: was a 3 year starter for Illinois and was posting 18/6/3
John Petty: started over 100 games at Alabama averaging 15/6/3, was even looked at as a draftable prospect at one point
Feron Hunt: another guy who was looked @ as draftable one point, 11/8 wing
Kelan Martin: was a 4 yr player at Butler and averaged 21/6/2 his final year there
Jordan Swing: is a 32 yr old vet who has been playing all over the world and was a 14/6/4 guy at UAB back in 2012

that team also has EJ Liddell who was seen as a 1st rounder before his injury at Ohio St. that's THE worst team in the league right now, would curbstomp the NCAA.

but im sure Gonzaga playing Portland State or Duke playing Maryland-Eastern Shore presents better competition for the players.

[Big J]

let's take a look at who plays for the the Squadron, the worst G League team right now -

Dereon Seabron: posted 17/8/3 as a sophomore in college and was drafted in the 2nd round
Javonte Smart: was a 3 year starter in the SEC (LSU) and was posting 16/4/4 as a jr
Malcolm Hill: was a 3 year starter for Illinois and was posting 18/6/3
John Petty: started over 100 games at Alabama averaging 15/6/3, was even looked at as a draftable prospect at one point
Feron Hunt: another guy who was looked @ as draftable one point, 11/8 wing
Kelan Martin: was a 4 yr player at Butler and averaged 21/6/2 his final year there
Jordan Swing: is a 32 yr old vet who has been playing all over the world and was a 14/6/4 guy at UAB back in 2012

that team also has EJ Liddell who was seen as a 1st rounder before his injury at Ohio St. that's THE worst team in the league right now, would curbstomp the NCAA.

but im sure Gonzaga playing Portland State or Duke playing Maryland-Eastern Shore presents better competition for the players.

My point still stands that there is no guarantee this team goes undefeated with the variance of the short 3 line. Just takes one team going cold from there and the other team making half of them.

[mattao313]

You do realize that players develop after college, right? The G-League is way better than the NCAA in terms of how good the players are no matter how you slice it. There are some HS teams that have serious NBA future talent. They still can't hold a candle to grown up professionals at that point.

On the game: really rough game for Scoot. His shot would not drop at all, the shot selection wasn't great, and he played poor defense. He's been struggling a bit lately and it'll be interesting to see how he responds. He'll have to pick it up again if he wants to be the #2 pick this year.

At the end of the day they are in the gleague for a reason, guys in college will have roster spots and play more in the NBA before them. The overall average player might be better in gleague, but the top tier talent is better in college.

Using my Keyonte George example.... Keyonte Johnson, Nick Smith, Anthony Black, Gradey Dick, Jalen Wilson, Jaylen Clark, Jaime Jacquez, Julian Strawther are probably all playing majority of mins in NBA next season. All of these players are better than Riller, Cooper and York.

Just stop with this bad take, the worst G League team would go undefeated in college. Literally everyone playing in the G League was a great college player at one point pretty much.

not sure how you're continuing the double down here.

Just because the gleague is more talented doesn't make it more competitive or better coached. Is the average team really trying to win a ship or showcase a player? Are these teams playing hard nose defense like College? I don't think so. Most guys in the gleague are trying to show out to get a call up then actually play real team ball.

If any I don't think the gap between the two is significant enough to point as a strength point of a prospect.

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[Dat2U]

I don't view Scoot as a generational PG just a very gifted and talented PG. I'm not sure I'd put on him the Morant level, maybe just a notch below. I liken him to another John Wall. Not quite a franchise guy, yet a clear talent who has pure PG skill, blazing speed but has a jumper that needs a little work. I can see him making multiple all-star appearances like Wall did in his prime.

He's locked into the #2 position of the draft for me.

[Braggins]

Here are Scoots per36 minute stats from the GLeague regular season + showcase vs the Thompson twins per36 stats from OTE regular season + playoffs and Jalen Green's per36 stats from his final season in the GLeague (regular season + playoffs).

I had to calc the Thompson's stats from their game logs, so if anyone else is willing to do that feel free to double check them.

Scoot Henderson - 19.1
21.5 pts ~ 5.8 reb ~ 7.5 ast ~ 1.5 stl ~ 0.4 blk ~ 4.0 tov
45.1% fg(17.7) ~ 34.5% 3pt(3.2) ~ 76.2% ft(3.4)

Jalen Green- 19.1
20.6 pts ~ 4.6 reb ~ 3.4 ast ~ 1.8 stl ~ 0.3 blk ~ 2.8 tov
46.9% fg(15.5) ~ 35.8% 3pt(6.6) ~ 78.6% ft(2.9)

Amen Thompson ~ 20.1
20.1 pts ~ 7.8 reb ~ 8.3 ast ~ 2.9 stl ~ 0.9 blk ~ 4.0 tov
54.2% fg(14.3) ~ 25.4% 3pt(3.6) ~ 68.1% ft(5.4)

Ausar Thompson ~ 20.1
20.6 pts ~ 8.3 reb ~ 7.5 ast ~ 3.0 stl ~ 1.4 blk ~ 4.1 tov
46.8% fg(16.7) ~ 32.2% 3pt(5.6) ~ 69.3% ft(5.5)

edit: I added Jalen Green's GLeague per36 stats from regular season and playoffs to add another point of reference.

[Upperclass]

I don't view Scoot as a generational PG just a very gifted and talented PG. I'm not sure I'd put on him the Morant level, maybe just a notch below. I liken him to another John Wall. Not quite a franchise guy, yet a clear talent who has pure PG skill, blazing speed but has a jumper that needs a little work. I can see him making multiple all-star appearances like Wall did in his prime.

He's locked into the #2 position of the draft for me.

Reminds me of Baron Davis or what Duke Jay Williams couldve become.. He likely wont score better than Morant but should be a much better playmaker and IQ guy.. John Wall was never an impactful player imo.. Scoot will be

[Dat2U]

I don't view Scoot as a generational PG just a very gifted and talented PG. I'm not sure I'd put on him the Morant level, maybe just a notch below. I liken him to another John Wall. Not quite a franchise guy, yet a clear talent who has pure PG skill, blazing speed but has a jumper that needs a little work. I can see him making multiple all-star appearances like Wall did in his prime.

He's locked into the #2 position of the draft for me.

Reminds me of Baron Davis or what Duke Jay Williams couldve become.. He likely wont score better than Morant but should be a much better playmaker and IQ guy.. John Wall was never an impactful player imo.. Scoot will be

Wall wasn't quite a franchise player but you don't become a 5-time all-star for the freaking Washington Wizards without significantly impacting the game.

[azcatz11]

You do realize that players develop after college, right? The G-League is way better than the NCAA in terms of how good the players are no matter how you slice it. There are some HS teams that have serious NBA future talent. They still can't hold a candle to grown up professionals at that point.

On the game: really rough game for Scoot. His shot would not drop at all, the shot selection wasn't great, and he played poor defense. He's been struggling a bit lately and it'll be interesting to see how he responds. He'll have to pick it up again if he wants to be the #2 pick this year.

At the end of the day they are in the gleague for a reason, guys in college will have roster spots and play more in the NBA before them. The overall average player might be better in gleague, but the top tier talent is better in college.

Using my Keyonte George example.... Keyonte Johnson, Nick Smith, Anthony Black, Gradey Dick, Jalen Wilson, Jaylen Clark, Jaime Jacquez, Julian Strawther are probably all playing majority of mins in NBA next season. All of these players are better than Riller, Cooper and York.

Just stop with this bad take, the worst G League team would go undefeated in college. Literally everyone playing in the G League was a great college player at one point pretty much.

not sure how you're continuing the double down here.

Gave York was also legit in college and would prob win the wooden award as a 29 year old so yeah…aweful take

[JMAC3]

At the end of the day they are in the gleague for a reason, guys in college will have roster spots and play more in the NBA before them. The overall average player might be better in gleague, but the top tier talent is better in college.

Using my Keyonte George example.... Keyonte Johnson, Nick Smith, Anthony Black, Gradey Dick, Jalen Wilson, Jaylen Clark, Jaime Jacquez, Julian Strawther are probably all playing majority of mins in NBA next season. All of these players are better than Riller, Cooper and York.

Just stop with this bad take, the worst G League team would go undefeated in college. Literally everyone playing in the G League was a great college player at one point pretty much.

not sure how you're continuing the double down here.

Gave York was also legit in college and would prob win the wooden award as a 29 year old so yeah…aweful take

Yeah, I don't think you guys are really getting the point. You think Keyonte George or Brandon Miller are struggling in the gleague because of the talent? I think the opposite. They would probably be averaging more ppg with the faster pace, more space on the floor.

Top to Bottom the talent is better in Gleague, sure. Doesn't mean it is a tougher league.

Brandon Miller is averaging 20 ppg for a team averaging 82 ppg.... teams in the gleague are dropping 125-135 points a game.

[clyde21]

Just stop with this bad take, the worst G League team would go undefeated in college. Literally everyone playing in the G League was a great college player at one point pretty much.

not sure how you're continuing the double down here.

Gave York was also legit in college and would prob win the wooden award as a 29 year old so yeah…aweful take

Yeah, I don't think you guys are really getting the point. You think Keyonte George or Brandon Miller are struggling in the gleague because of the talent? I think the opposite. They would probably be averaging more ppg with the faster pace, more space on the floor.

Top to Bottom the talent is better in Gleague, sure. Doesn't mean it is a tougher league.

Brandon Miller is averaging 20 ppg for a team averaging 82 ppg.... teams in the gleague are dropping 125-135 points a game.

except that's exactly what it means

if your argument is that Miller/KG would drop more points in the GL vs college, maybe or maybe not, but I guarantee it would be on much worse efficiency.

also as was pointed out earlier, Scoot's per 100 production is right in line with what Jalen Green and Kuminga's output in the GL, so unless you think Miller/KG would for some reason outproduce all these guys other than pace, I doubt that would be the case.

[JMAC3]

Gave York was also legit in college and would prob win the wooden award as a 29 year old so yeah…aweful take

Yeah, I don't think you guys are really getting the point. You think Keyonte George or Brandon Miller are struggling in the gleague because of the talent? I think the opposite. They would probably be averaging more ppg with the faster pace, more space on the floor.

Top to Bottom the talent is better in Gleague, sure. Doesn't mean it is a tougher league.

Brandon Miller is averaging 20 ppg for a team averaging 82 ppg.... teams in the gleague are dropping 125-135 points a game.

except that's exactly what it means

if your argument is that Miller/KG would drop more points in the GL vs college, maybe or maybe not, but I guarantee it would be on much worse efficiency.

also as was pointed out earlier, Scoot's per 100 production is right in line with what Jalen Green and Kuminga's output in the GL, so unless you think Miller/KG would for some reason outproduce all these guys other than pace, I doubt that would be the case.

Except we see rookies who play in the gleague put up better numbers than they did in college nearly 100% of the time.

[clyde21]

Yeah, I don't think you guys are really getting the point. You think Keyonte George or Brandon Miller are struggling in the gleague because of the talent? I think the opposite. They would probably be averaging more ppg with the faster pace, more space on the floor.

Top to Bottom the talent is better in Gleague, sure. Doesn't mean it is a tougher league.

Brandon Miller is averaging 20 ppg for a team averaging 82 ppg.... teams in the gleague are dropping 125-135 points a game.

except that's exactly what it means

if your argument is that Miller/KG would drop more points in the GL vs college, maybe or maybe not, but I guarantee it would be on much worse efficiency.

also as was pointed out earlier, Scoot's per 100 production is right in line with what Jalen Green and Kuminga's output in the GL, so unless you think Miller/KG would for some reason outproduce all these guys other than pace, I doubt that would be the case.

Except we see rookies who play in the gleague put up better numbers than they did in college nearly 100% of the time.

lol - where are you even getting that 100% number from?

and SOME post better numbers because they are a year older and have 1 more year of development under them. not because the G League is easier than college.

[JMAC3]

Except we see rookies who play in the gleague put up better numbers than they did in college nearly 100% of the time.

Lester Quionnes averaged 10 ppg in college, through 41 games this year he is averaging 19.6 ppg in gleague
Mark Williams 11.2 ppg, he averaged 22 ppg in the gleague
JT Thor averaged 9.4 ppg in college, averaging 19 ppg in gleague
Scotty Pippen Jr averaged 17.5 ppg in college, is averaging 23.4 ppg in gleague
Luka Garza averaged 24 ppg in college is averaging 30.3 ppg in gleague

I am sure you will want to discredit all these someway, so let me know if you need me to find 10 or 15 more quick.

[JMAC3]

except that's exactly what it means

if your argument is that Miller/KG would drop more points in the GL vs college, maybe or maybe not, but I guarantee it would be on much worse efficiency.

also as was pointed out earlier, Scoot's per 100 production is right in line with what Jalen Green and Kuminga's output in the GL, so unless you think Miller/KG would for some reason outproduce all these guys other than pace, I doubt that would be the case.

Except we see rookies who play in the gleague put up better numbers than they did in college nearly 100% of the time.

lol - where are you even getting that 100% number from?

and SOME post better numbers because they are a year older and have 1 more year of development under them. not because the G League is easier than college.

Yeah, I guess we will never know then, because anyone who played in college and then went to gleague might have just improved that year right?

[clyde21]

Except we see rookies who play in the gleague put up better numbers than they did in college nearly 100% of the time.

lol - where are you even getting that 100% number from?

and SOME post better numbers because they are a year older and have 1 more year of development under them. not because the G League is easier than college.

Yeah, I guess we will never know then, because anyone who played in college and then went to gleague might have just improved that year right?

you're all over the place, you're not even using rooks (Garza's 2nd year in the GL for example) and you're basing everything on raw PPG as if that's an indicator for success.

we know the GL plays at a faster pace than college basketball. that doesn't mean it's easier basketball. again, the worst GL team will route the best college team. that's just facts whether you want to admit it or not.

[JMAC3]

lol - where are you even getting that 100% number from?

and SOME post better numbers because they are a year older and have 1 more year of development under them. not because the G League is easier than college.

Yeah, I guess we will never know then, because anyone who played in college and then went to gleague might have just improved that year right?

you're all over the place, you're not even using rooks (Garza's 2nd year in the GL for example) and you're basing everything on raw PPG as if that's an indicator for success.

we know the GL plays at a faster pace than college basketball. that doesn't mean it's easier basketball. again, the worst GL team will route the best college team. that's just facts whether you want to admit it or not.

I agree lol, because they are deeper and more skilled offensively. Congrats they can beat a college team.

They still are obviously outclassed by real NBA talent majority of the time it plays in the Gleague.

Here are more examples of just rookies this year.
Josh Minott averaged 6.6 ppg in college, averaging 20 ppg in the gleague
Peyton Watson averaged 3.3 ppg in college, averaging 19.3 ppg in gleague
Wendell Moore averaged 13.4 ppg in college, averaging 18.8 ppg in gleague
Blake Wesley averaged 14.4 ppg in college, averaging 18.8 ppg in gleague
TyTy Washington averaged 12.5 ppg in colleges averaging 23.2 ppg in gleague
Kenny Lofton Jr averaged 16.5 ppg in college, averaging 22.3 ppg in gleague
Johnny Juzang averaged 15.6 ppg in college, averaging 19.5 ppg in the gleague

These guys are end of the rotation guys at best that are pretty much dominating the Gleague as rookies.
I am sure I can find another 20 pretty easy if you need me to do that too....

If the competition is better in the gleague then why does everyone of their averages go up?

Hence why I am saying Scoot getting 14/15 ppg outings is really not impressive regardless if we want to sell the story that Gleague is so good and tough etc....

[JMAC3]

I am not claiming this a perfect science, but if 90% of guys scoring goes up from college to gleague.

It feels pretty safe to assume that the same would be true for Scoot, his scoring in college would be less than in gleague.

[JMAC3]

I am not the biggest fan of this guy typically, but this is probably the best article I have seen him write.

https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/is-scoot-henderson-the-2nd-best-player