Cameron Boozer

OriAr · Post #161 » by **OriAr** » Yesterday 3:31 am

As I said, people are massively overthinking him.
Kid is gonna be just fine in the NBA.

Chuck Everett · Post #162 » by **Chuck Everett** » Yesterday 3:44 am

OriAr wrote:As I said, people are massively overthinking him.
Kid is gonna be just fine in the NBA.

Totally agree.

RookieStar · Post #163 » by **RookieStar** » Yesterday 4:34 am

I think he could have scored 50 if he started the gamr agressive. I mean he started scoring after 10mins have gone by. Then proceeded tl score... 35pts was it?

King Ken · Post #164 » by **King Ken** » Yesterday 4:36 am

I been noticing most fans have trash ass eyes. They can't see the obvious if the aesthetics aren't there.

FrodoBaggins · Post #165 » by **FrodoBaggins** » Yesterday 3:26 pm

What are we thinking? What's a very optimistic ceiling outcome?

D. Sabonis but with K. Love shooting & Sengun-level defense? You get Domantas' efficient below-the-rim bully-ball interior finishing, rebounding, and DHO/elbow passing game. You get Kevin's spot-up & movement catch-and-shoot three-point game. You get better defense than either of them offers; something more akin to Sengun - a clear step up.

That's a PF/C that can put up - in the optimal role/scheme/supporting cast - 22-25 ppg, 10-13 rpg, 5-8 apg on 60-65% TS, do it in a team-friendly way/in the flow, and be good enough on defense to be #1 in minutes played on a top-ranked defense.

Sounds like Jokic-lite, almost, but with less positional rigidity/more lineup & roster flexibility because you can play him at PF.

FrodoBaggins · Post #166 » by **FrodoBaggins** » Yesterday 3:36 pm

Sabonis' best three-year stretch (2023-2025) has him at 19.2 ppg, 13.3 rpg, 7.2 apg. Kevin Love peaked at 2.6 made 3PTs/g, so 2.0 more than 2023-2025 Sabonis. An extra +6 points puts him at 25.2 ppg.

How likely is it that Cam can finish inside like Domantas? Since becoming a starter back in 2019-20, he's shot 72.6% on 3.5 0-3 feet FGAs/g and 48.9% on 2.2 3-10 feet FGAs/g. 0.386 FTr, so some fouls are being drawn, but nothing crazy. His 63% TS (110 TS+) is coming from that scoring inside ten feet.

I really don't think there's much between them regarding size, strength, and mobility. Sabonis is like barely 6'11" in shoes, with a 6'10.5" wingspan, and low-set shoulders. Cam's probably 6'9" in shoes, but with a 7'0"+ wingspan, and standing reach near 9-feet. His dad was 6'9" with shoes, had a 7'2.25" wingspan, and a 9'0.5" standing reach.

Let's look at Sengun's interior percentages. Since becoming a starter back in 2022-23, he's shot 68.1% on 4.7 0-3 feet FGAs/g and 48.0% on 5.7 3-10 feet FGAs/g. 0.368 FTr. 57.3% TS (99 TS+). So, relatively similar interior finishing to Sabonis; more volume, less efficiency. Alperen's mid-range & three-point shooting is what drags his TS% down in comparison.

FrodoBaggins · Post #167 » by **FrodoBaggins** » Yesterday 4:13 pm

If Cam can score inside, rebound, and pass like Sabonis & Sengun, but shoot more like Kevin Love (83% FT, 37% 3PT on 5 3pa/g), that puts him closer to Jokic on offense than either Domantas or Alperen in that archetype.

FrodoBaggins · Post #168 » by **FrodoBaggins** » Yesterday 4:23 pm

For comparison in college:

Sabonis: 63.8% 2PT on 8.0 2pa/g
Boozer: 65.4% 2PT on 9.8 2pa/g

That's freshman + sophomore for Domantas. His draft age was 20.13; Cam's will be 18.92.

HadAnEffectHere · Post #169 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Yesterday 4:58 pm

Boozer is already incredibly dominant, but does it in a very nerve wracking way. Definitely a top 3 guy and the best player in college basketball, but I would be lying if I wasn't always nervous about how below the rim he plays.

FrodoBaggins · Post #170 » by **FrodoBaggins** » Yesterday 5:08 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:Boozer is already incredibly dominant, but does it in a very nerve wracking way. Definitely a top 3 guy and the best player in college basketball, but I would be lying if I wasn't always nervous about how below the rim he plays.

For sure. You see how Sengun & Sabonis can have problems scoring inside against certain matchups. GSW/Draymond in the playoffs, for example. Food for thought.

The Master · Post #171 » by **The Master** » Yesterday 5:29 pm

FrodoBaggins wrote:What are we thinking? What's a very optimistic ceiling outcome?

I don't know about very optimistic, but realistic outcome is better rebounding, more energetic and better shooting (especially FT% and midrange) Blake Griffin 2019. And Blake that year was at 25, 8, 5, +2 rTS with 5.0 BPM and All-NBA nodes. I don't think that there's a better comparison in terms of potential playing style and size. You may wonder about his superstar ceiling (will he become a facilitator and scorer on the level of ~top5 players? Can he become a really impactful defender), but his floor is ridiculously high: he already shoots 39% from 3s and 76% from FT (was even higher in HS) as an 18yo, his shooting projection is really nice and it will expand his game much further. His feel for the game is great and he's already a very skilled guy.

Watch on YouTube

Yeah, it may not be fluid and eye-catching, but his scoring bag is so great for a freshman: he can shoot from perimeter, attack off the dribble, play a bully ball, run the offense in transition, and he's a decent roller.

King Ken · Post #172 » by **King Ken** » Yesterday 6:21 pm

FrodoBaggins wrote:What are we thinking? What's a very optimistic ceiling outcome?

D. Sabonis but with K. Love shooting & Sengun-level defense? You get Domantas' efficient below-the-rim bully-ball interior finishing, rebounding, and DHO/elbow passing game. You get Kevin's spot-up & movement catch-and-shoot three-point game. You get better defense than either of them offers; something more akin to Sengun - a clear step up.

That's a PF/C that can put up - in the optimal role/scheme/supporting cast - 22-25 ppg, 10-13 rpg, 5-8 apg on 60-65% TS, do it in a team-friendly way/in the flow, and be good enough on defense to be #1 in minutes played on a top-ranked defense.

Sounds like Jokic-lite, almost, but with less positional rigidity/more lineup & roster flexibility because you can play him at PF.

I like his defense is better than Sengun at the same stage. He's the closest I've seen to Jokic but he's a lot like his pops but he's further along than Jokic was at the same age even if the upside isn't as high as it was for Jokic just due to some of the physical limitations.

Jokic was off the charts data wise before it appeared visually to even the hard-core NBA supporter.

King Ken · Post #173 » by **King Ken** » Yesterday 6:25 pm

I am going to be honest, I am scared to pass on Boozer. Moreso than Peterson or Dybantsa. World class impact guys almost always translate. That said the other two are impact players and they have more upside.

The Master · Post #174 » by **The Master** » Yesterday 6:39 pm

The Master wrote:
FrodoBaggins wrote:What are we thinking? What's a very optimistic ceiling outcome?
I don't know about very optimistic, but realistic outcome is better rebounding, more energetic and better shooting (especially FT% and midrange) Blake Griffin 2019. And Blake that year was at 25, 8, 5, +2 rTS with 5.0 BPM and All-NBA nodes. I don't think that there's a better comparison in terms of potential playing style and size. You may wonder about his superstar ceiling (will he become a facilitator and scorer on the level of ~top5 players? Can he become a really impactful defender), but his floor is ridiculously high: he already shoots 39% from 3s and 76% from FT (was even higher in HS) as an 18yo, his shooting projection is really nice and it will expand his game much further. His feel for the game is great and he's already a very skilled guy.

Watch on YouTube

Yeah, it may not be fluid and eye-catching, but his scoring bag is so great for a freshman: he can shoot from perimeter, attack off the dribble, play a bully ball, run the offense in transition, and he's a decent roller.

Also, I forgot to mention:

The underrated part of Boozer's game is that he's at 6.8 TOV% and 3.9 APG per game, his feel for the game and efficiency with touches that he has is already elite. If you have doubts (IMHO - rightfully so) if he can become a superstar-offensive facilitator on the NBA level, he'll be such a great 2nd option with his passing and (potentially) shooting.

One of the reasons why he's so far at 39.6 PER and 21.8 BPM at the start of the season: 39% from 3s, 67TS%, 3-1 assists-turnovers ratio. Yeah, boxscore production on NCAA level isn't everything, but these are highly portable skills.

CP War Hawks · Post #175 » by **CP War Hawks** » Yesterday 7:13 pm

Wait some people actually didn't believe this was the best prospect on Duke... what lol.

ReggiesKnicks · Post #176 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Yesterday 7:29 pm

King Ken wrote:
FrodoBaggins wrote:What are we thinking? What's a very optimistic ceiling outcome?

D. Sabonis but with K. Love shooting & Sengun-level defense? You get Domantas' efficient below-the-rim bully-ball interior finishing, rebounding, and DHO/elbow passing game. You get Kevin's spot-up & movement catch-and-shoot three-point game. You get better defense than either of them offers; something more akin to Sengun - a clear step up.

That's a PF/C that can put up - in the optimal role/scheme/supporting cast - 22-25 ppg, 10-13 rpg, 5-8 apg on 60-65% TS, do it in a team-friendly way/in the flow, and be good enough on defense to be #1 in minutes played on a top-ranked defense.

Sounds like Jokic-lite, almost, but with less positional rigidity/more lineup & roster flexibility because you can play him at PF.

I like his defense is better than Sengun at the same stage. He's the closest I've seen to Jokic but he's a lot like his pops but he's further along than Jokic was at the same age even if the upside isn't as high as it was for Jokic just due to some of the physical limitations.

Jokic was off the charts data wise before it appeared visually to even the hard-core NBA supporter.

Sengun was an exceptional defender prior to being in the NBA.

BigGargamel · Post #177 » by **BigGargamel** » Yesterday 8:07 pm

CP War Hawks wrote:Wait some people actually didn't believe this was the best prospect on Duke... what lol.

Who said that? Cam has been considered a top three pick since this draft cycle began. No other Duke player has even been talked about as a lottery pick.

tontoz · Post #178 » by **tontoz** » Yesterday 8:17 pm

BigGargamel wrote:
CP War Hawks wrote:Wait some people actually didn't believe this was the best prospect on Duke... what lol.

Who said that? Cam has been considered a top three pick since this draft cycle began. No other Duke player has even been talked about as a lottery pick.

I saw one guy say that but i wont name drop lol.

Post #179 » by **Duke4life831** » Yesterday 8:33 pm

tontoz wrote:
BigGargamel wrote:
CP War Hawks wrote:Wait some people actually didn't believe this was the best prospect on Duke... what lol.

Who said that? Cam has been considered a top three pick since this draft cycle began. No other Duke player has even been talked about as a lottery pick.

I saw one guy say that but i wont name drop lol.

That was me haha.

Sarr started off really hot with his shot. It’s been real ugly since, so ya I can admit that was a bad hot take haha.

With the said, I still haven’t changed my views on Cam. I still have a hard time pointing to a player right now that has a similar physical profile as Cam does and is a legit franchise player. With that said, I also said from the start that I think Cam has a legit shot at being NPOY. So him being dominant really isn’t something I wasn’t expecting.

Just don’t know how high his ceiling is in the NBA and how likely it is for him to get there

ReggiesKnicks · Post #180 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Yesterday 9:07 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
BigGargamel wrote:
Who said that? Cam has been considered a top three pick since this draft cycle began. No other Duke player has even been talked about as a lottery pick.

I saw one guy say that but i wont name drop lol.

That was me haha.

Sarr started off really hot with his shot. It’s been real ugly since, so ya I can admit that was a bad hot take haha.

With the said, I still haven’t changed my views on Cam. I still have a hard time pointing to a player right now that has a similar physical profile as Cam does and is a legit franchise player. With that said, I also said from the start that I think Cam has a legit shot at being NPOY. So him being dominant really isn’t something I wasn’t expecting.

Just don’t know how high his ceiling is in the NBA and how likely it is for him to get there

I mean what makes his ceiling any lower than what Al Horford was?

Is Domantas Sabonis really much bigger? Cam seems like he has a higher ceiling than Sabonis and appears to be a similar size.