DeMarcus Cousins. How good can he get?

[Sid the Squid]

So if you base your opinion based soley off watching the games, then you're some how influenced by stats?

Cammo you really are quite insane .

[BigSlam]

just bad luck i guess (assuming of course they would take those players)

Not so much bad luck as it is crappy scouting and decision making IMO.

[Cammo101]

It was not so long ago watching hoops lead a lot of people to think Sean May and Adam Morrison should be picked ahead of Andrew Bynum and Brandon Roy.

Watching actual hoops had the world convinced Orlando was (Please Use More Appropriate Word) to pass on Emeka Okafor.

There is a lot more to analyzing a draft than watching a game and seeing who has the prettiest numbers.

Hang on a minute, do I detect a theme here????

LOL

That did not even dawn on me when I posted. Sorry Charlotte.

[erudite23]

Sid...you're a troll, dude. I've been trying to ignore it for awhile, but you need to STFU about Cousins and get off his jock. Right now Cousins is largely reaping the rewards of having an excellent management team in place that puts him in the best position to succeed. Calipari is among the best minds in the game today, Cousins has the best PG in the nation getting him the ball, a complete team around him to stretch the floor for him to work and allow him to pick up garbage points off of putbacks and draw and kicks.

I admit he's got some monster tools. I also admit that his production on a per-minute basis is truly astounding. In fact, as DX just pointed out, he's got the highest college PER in their database (last 8 years). So that's great.

But when I look at that dude, my nuts suck up in my scrotum and tremble in fear. He terrifies me, and not in the "damn I don't wanna play against that guy" good type of way, but in the "if my team ever drafted that dude I would spend all my team waiting to find out that he had run over a valet attendant at an exclusive gentlemen's club" type of way. I would live in fear of him pulling a Sprewell or going Eric Dampier on my ass as soon as he gets paid. No one has ever denied the package. Ever. But when you can't trust a guy, the only thing you have is....nothin'. Since I think that Favors has just as good a physical package--less size, more athleticism--but without the worries, its a no brainer for me. Even if Favors' production hasn't been nearly as impressive. He looks a little lost at times out there and not very refined, but you can see the movement abilities and the drive to be great just by watching him.

So I'm taking Favors every time. He is a bust risk, sure, but at least if he busts it will be because he can't play basketball. There's a good chance that Cousins NBA career will not be defined by his basketball ability, and that's enough to make me shy away from him in the top 5. Now, at #8 or 9? Sign me up.

[Piston Pete]

I think everyone's riding the 'Cousins has a poor attitude' train a little too much. Yes, he might be a little immature, but he's also only 19 years old.....

And Kentucky has Wall feeding him the ball, but he definitely does not have "a complete team around him to stretch the floor for him to work and allow him to pick up garbage points off of putbacks." Kentucky is actually a pretty poor 3-point shooting team. The other teams pack it in against Patterson and Cousins, but Cuz still produces....

Cousins vs Favors - I personally choose Cousins for reasons already stated in this thread.

Maybe one day, Favors proves to be just as good, or maybe even slightly better. However, even if he develops to be slightly better, Cousins is still the one who can play C in the NBA, whereas Favors is a PF at the next level.

[gswhoopsman]

So its a one way street where Cousins gets helped by Wall but Wall doesn't benefit from getting a few free assists per game just by dumping it off to Cousins in the post?

Watch a kentucky game and tell me which player is most frequently drawing the double team.

[Sid the Squid]

I just watched another Kentucky game from last month..Cousins is such a beast in the paint. There's no way of moving him off the block and his feet are so nimble the defender has no chance unless the double comes quickly.


Then go watch Favors try to make any sort of offensive move ..Once in the 4 GT games Ive watched this season, did he try to put the ball on the floor. 1 time lol. He got it stolen immediately. Ive also yet to see him score outside of 3 feet.

[LeBron's Time]

Cousins has the best PG in the nation getting him the ball

most of cousins points coming from offensive rebound

all of kentucky opponents number one strategy is to stop kentuckys bigman. they concentrate on the shaded lane, they double team or triple team cousins every time he touch the ball thats why most of cousins points is coming from offensive rebound not from john wall pass. lob pass is the only pass that wall can give to him. when he operates inside its her own create to the basket skills offense, when he get offensive rebound its her own will to get the ball. come on give him some credit, he can live without wall. put iman shumpert on wall shoes, cousins will still produce in points, rebounds and blocks

[NoSkyy]

Eddy Curry with 30% more rebounds.

and 40% less blubber.

but do I still get a happy meal?

[Ruzious]

I just watched another Kentucky game from last month..Cousins is such a beast in the paint. There's no way of moving him off the block and his feet are so nimble the defender has no chance unless the double comes quickly.


Then go watch Favors try to make any sort of offensive move ..Once in the 4 GT games Ive watched this season, did he try to put the ball on the floor. 1 time lol. He got it stolen immediately. Ive also yet to see him score outside of 3 feet.

Question for you Sid - In those 4 games you watched, how many times was Favors passed the ball?

[Sid the Squid]

I just watched another Kentucky game from last month..Cousins is such a beast in the paint. There's no way of moving him off the block and his feet are so nimble the defender has no chance unless the double comes quickly.


Then go watch Favors try to make any sort of offensive move ..Once in the 4 GT games Ive watched this season, did he try to put the ball on the floor. 1 time lol. He got it stolen immediately. Ive also yet to see him score outside of 3 feet.

Question for you Sid - In those 4 games you watched, how many times was Favors passed the ball?

Not very often..Those were brutal games to sit through.

[Sid the Squid]

Big Cuzz with another ho hum 16 and 13 last night

Wall was better than his stats. He took the game over late in the 2nd half.

Thank God for illegal streams..Why isnt every KU game televised? It's the greatest show on wood.

“With those guys, you really can’t appreciate their size and their quickness until you actually face it,” Alabama coach Anthony Grant said. “With Wall, he comes at you so fast. We tried to limit him in transition.

“With DeMarcus Cousins, you gauge him against other guys on film and you see the size and the strength but what you miss is the skill level. Even when he is not scoring, he demands so much attention that he makes their other guys better..

http://www.tidesports.com/article/20100 ... ?p=1&tc=pg

[BigSlam]

Wall was better than his stats. He took the game over late in the 2nd half.

He also looked to have a gimpy ankle in much of the 2nd.

P.S. I get NBA League pass which shows most of the NCAA games too.

[ManualRam]

Thank God for illegal streams..Why isnt every KU game televised? It's the greatest show on wood.

you mean UK.

wherever cousins goes in the draft, he should be taken ahead of favors

[erudite23]

Watched the KU/Alabama game last night. Cousins posted his normal numbers. Dominated the glass, got a lot of points off of putbacks or dish offs, like usual, and generally looked like a man among boys.


And I came away thinking that I would never want my team drafting him.


Why?


Early in the first half, a rebound comes off the rim on the opposite side of where Cousins stood, right under the basket with his man boxed out. One Bama player on his back and another standing a few feet away to his right. Cousins simply needed to bust his butt and the ball is his. Instead he simply stands there and watches as one of the Bama players goes after and gets the ball.

Later, in the 2nd half, 11ish min remaining in the game and Kentucky has asserted itself and taken a double digit lead. Cousins comes down the court, seals his man perfectly, gains great position right under the rim with a man who is half his size, the ball rotates over to his side of the court, the wingman misses seeing him (don't ask me how, he just did), hesitates, finally picks up on the situation and by the time he goes to throw the ball in, another defender has come from the opposite side of the court to double DeMarcus and cut the play off.

The wing sees this and throws the ball back up top to Wall.

What does Cousins do?

Throws his arms up, shows up his teammate and walks to the other side of the court and takes the rest of the possession off.


This is the type of thing you can't afford on a winning team.


No, thanks.

[Sid the Squid]

lol..highest per in 8 years but his effort is a problem ..I hate those guys who score 16 pg, grab 11 boards and block 2 shots..All in 21 minutes on a top2 team in America..


DRAFT FAVORS!! HE HUSTLES!!! Can't actually play, doesnt actually help his team win, but I WANT HIM ON MY TEAM.

[Cammo101]

lol..highest per in 8 years but his effort is a problem ..I hate those guys who score 16 pg, grab 11 boards and block 2 shots..All in 21 minutes on a top2 team in America..


DRAFT FAVORS!! HE HUSTLES!!! Can't actually play, doesnt actually help his team win, but I WANT HIM ON MY TEAM.

Why is he only playing 21 minutes a game if he is the best player in America?

[erudite23]

lol..highest per in 8 years but his effort is a problem ..I hate those guys who score 16 pg, grab 11 boards and block 2 shots..All in 21 minutes on a top2 team in America..


DRAFT FAVORS!! HE HUSTLES!!! Can't actually play, doesnt actually help his team win, but I WANT HIM ON MY TEAM.

All I'm saying is that you can't count on guys like that. And there's a long history of players like that being able to dominate in college and getting to the pros and not being able to realize their potential because of their inability to put it all out on the floor.

Even if he becomes a stud on the next level. Let's say, best case, he becomes a mixture of Bosh with Dampier's frame (sort of the best comparison I can come up with). PER of 25ish, dominant player.

I still don't want my team built around that guy, because there will come a time when we're in a dogfight, a team has us on our heels, and I will not be confident in him coming through.

No, thanks. I'm not spending a top 3 pick on him. I'll take a chance at 6, 7 or 8, but I'm not passing up a chance to get a similarly good player who doesn't have those issues to get a guy who I'm terrified of.

[hotshotschamp]

who knows really, these kids are 18 or 19. Lots of kids that age are immature, in all walks of life, not just basketball. These are young dudes. I'm not denying he has some issues to work on, but his talent level is just flat out better than most everyone else besides wall/turner in this draft. A lot will depend on who coaches him at the next level and the vets in the locker room. Hopefully he doesn't go to a situation like Randolph had too in portland, where the vets were nuts themselves.

Also, there aren't any bigs in this draft that are similar in talent to Cousins.

[Cammo101]

Also, there aren't any bigs in this draft that are similar in talent to Cousins.