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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1601 » by RobertGlory » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:15 am

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brackdan70 wrote:Any news on Mitchell Robinson?


He tried to play in the G League but there's some dumb rule where he can't because he enrolled in college this season. Other than that he just seems to be going back and forth between his home and Houston working out for the draft.


Do you ever see him having much of an offensive game in the NBA? He worked on his 3 pointers in HS and got decent at that by the time he graduated, but didn't attempt any at the all-star games he went to. I just don't see him having the touch or the post moves he needs to become a threat on that end, but he can protect a rim right now.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1602 » by baldur » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:45 pm

So with the emergence of wendell Carter, is this an 8 man draft? Can we roughly split in two tiers though?
First tier: doncic-bagley-ayton - either of young or porter.
Second tier: bamba, Jackson, Carter and the other one of porter or young

Do you agree with those tiers above?
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1603 » by The-Power » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:22 pm

baldur wrote:So with the emergence of wendell Carter, is this an 8 man draft? Can we roughly split in two tiers though?
First tier: doncic-bagley-ayton - either of young or porter.
Second tier: bamba, Jackson, Carter and the other one of porter or young

Do you agree with those tiers above?

No. I mean, first of all, how can you say it's roughly split in two tiers when you argue that both Porter and Young could be in either tier? That seems like you don't even believe in the two tiers yourself.

For me it's Doncic in tier 1. Then Jackson and Young in tier 2, followed by Porter, Ayton and Bagley. Then Bamba, with Carter closing in on him. But I'll wait and see where the latter two end up on my board. I still love Mikal Bridges and he's up there with them, and I also believe that Miles, Knox, Brown and Sexton all have the theoretical chance to finish ahead of one or both of them even though it would require some clear development in certain areas.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1604 » by doordoor123 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:48 pm

I don’t really have tiers in a normal sense. I really love the top 8 guys and would take any of them number 1. I don’t think you can go wrong, but some of them will be better than others. I just don’t think you can point to one and say that’s why they’ll be better than the others.
Some defining factors for me are just based on trivial things. Like Doncic isn’t the most athletic, Bamba needs some developing, Young is undersized, etc. These things won’t matter much at the next level with these players IMO because I believe they’ll all translate well, but they’re something to think about when drafting them just because I don’t think there is much separation between them as prospects.
That’s how I feel anyway. I would have no problem with any of them going number 1, but I would have an issue with any of them going number 8.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1605 » by baldur » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:36 am

The-Power wrote:
baldur wrote:So with the emergence of wendell Carter, is this an 8 man draft? Can we roughly split in two tiers though?
First tier: doncic-bagley-ayton - either of young or porter.
Second tier: bamba, Jackson, Carter and the other one of porter or young

Do you agree with those tiers above?

No. I mean, first of all, how can you say it's roughly split in two tiers when you argue that both Porter and Young could be in either tier? That seems like you don't even believe in the two tiers yourself.

For me it's Doncic in tier 1. Then Jackson and Young in tier 2, followed by Porter, Ayton and Bagley. Then Bamba, with Carter closing in on him. But I'll wait and see where the latter two end up on my board. I still love Mikal Bridges and he's up there with them, and I also believe that Miles, Knox, Brown and Sexton all have the theoretical chance to finish ahead of one or both of them even though it would require some clear development in certain areas.


Sorry my bad. As i am not a native speaker i tnink i misused the word rough. I meant tiers look like that to me at first glance and porter and young are interchangeable.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1606 » by TheSuzerain » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:40 am

baldur wrote:
The-Power wrote:
baldur wrote:So with the emergence of wendell Carter, is this an 8 man draft? Can we roughly split in two tiers though?
First tier: doncic-bagley-ayton - either of young or porter.
Second tier: bamba, Jackson, Carter and the other one of porter or young

Do you agree with those tiers above?

No. I mean, first of all, how can you say it's roughly split in two tiers when you argue that both Porter and Young could be in either tier? That seems like you don't even believe in the two tiers yourself.

For me it's Doncic in tier 1. Then Jackson and Young in tier 2, followed by Porter, Ayton and Bagley. Then Bamba, with Carter closing in on him. But I'll wait and see where the latter two end up on my board. I still love Mikal Bridges and he's up there with them, and I also believe that Miles, Knox, Brown and Sexton all have the theoretical chance to finish ahead of one or both of them even though it would require some clear development in certain areas.


Sorry my bad. As i am not a native speaker i tnink i misused the word rough. I meant tiers look like that to me at first glance and porter and young are interchangeable.

imo you are using roughly correctly.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1607 » by 916fan » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:08 am

Chandler Hutchinson is an interesting prospect. Great breakdown by theStephien: https://www.thestepien.com/2018/01/11/chandler-hutchison-draft-sleeper-potential-closeout-killer/

Although one thing I have grips about is his on-ball quickness. I think he's got a solid 1st step, but just doesn't really have the advanced ball handling to pair with it to draw his defender away. I like him a lot though. Good athlete with an improving stroke.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1608 » by doordoor123 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:44 am

916fan wrote:Chandler Hutchinson is an interesting prospect. Great breakdown by theStephien: https://www.thestepien.com/2018/01/11/chandler-hutchison-draft-sleeper-potential-closeout-killer/

Although one thing I have grips about is his on-ball quickness. I think he's got a solid 1st step, but just doesn't really have the advanced ball handling to pair with it to draw his defender away. I like him a lot though. Good athlete with an improving stroke.


Hes always been pretty solid all around. I’m pretty sure I’ve been clamoring him as a late first for the past to years. At first it looked like he hadn’t improved in two years, but last year he tried out for some NBA teams (I remember the Clippers and the Bucks being two teams he tried out for) and he took the advice NBA teams gave him like being able to finish with both hands/not only driving from one side of the court. And he also improved his three point shot. I’m not in love with him, but he’s better than current Kyle Anderson and that’s what matters.
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Post#1609 » by 916fan » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:05 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
916fan wrote:Chandler Hutchinson is an interesting prospect. Great breakdown by theStephien: https://www.thestepien.com/2018/01/11/chandler-hutchison-draft-sleeper-potential-closeout-killer/

Although one thing I have grips about is his on-ball quickness. I think he's got a solid 1st step, but just doesn't really have the advanced ball handling to pair with it to draw his defender away. I like him a lot though. Good athlete with an improving stroke.


Hes always been pretty solid all around. I’m pretty sure I’ve been clamoring him as a late first for the past to years. At first it looked like he hadn’t improved in two years, but last year he tried out for some NBA teams (I remember the Clippers and the Bucks being two teams he tried out for) and he took the advice NBA teams gave him like being able to finish with both hands/not only driving from one side of the court. And he also improved his three point shot. I’m not in love with him, but he’s better than current Kyle Anderson and that’s what matters.

His position in the NBA will come into play. Overall, he's more of a SG, but he doesn't have enough quickness to take opposing SGs off the dribble. His ball handling is solid, but he doesn't have enough moves in his arsenal to compensate for that quickness. I think getting stronger and playing SF would be his role in the NBA. I know some people think it's a wash between the wing positions, but I see a big advantage of him against SFs.

Oddly, he reminds me Troy Brown, except more bouncy and explosive. Brown has better ball handling. Brown is more of a SG/PG while Hutchinson is a SG/SF.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Hutchinson go in the lotto as long as he keeps his 3pt% up.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1610 » by SeattleJazzFan » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:14 pm

Rafly wrote:Thoughts on Svi Mykhailiuk. Great shooter. Feel many are sleeping on him.


Reminds me of Gordan Giricek.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1611 » by doordoor123 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:19 pm

916fan wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
916fan wrote:Chandler Hutchinson is an interesting prospect. Great breakdown by theStephien: https://www.thestepien.com/2018/01/11/chandler-hutchison-draft-sleeper-potential-closeout-killer/

Although one thing I have grips about is his on-ball quickness. I think he's got a solid 1st step, but just doesn't really have the advanced ball handling to pair with it to draw his defender away. I like him a lot though. Good athlete with an improving stroke.


Hes always been pretty solid all around. I’m pretty sure I’ve been clamoring him as a late first for the past to years. At first it looked like he hadn’t improved in two years, but last year he tried out for some NBA teams (I remember the Clippers and the Bucks being two teams he tried out for) and he took the advice NBA teams gave him like being able to finish with both hands/not only driving from one side of the court. And he also improved his three point shot. I’m not in love with him, but he’s better than current Kyle Anderson and that’s what matters.

His position in the NBA will come into play. Overall, he's more of a SG, but he doesn't have enough quickness to take opposing SGs off the dribble. His ball handling is solid, but he doesn't have enough moves in his arsenal to compensate for that quickness. I think getting stronger and playing SF would be his role in the NBA. I know some people think it's a wash between the wing positions, but I see a big advantage of him against SFs.

Oddly, he reminds me Troy Brown, except more bouncy and explosive. Brown has better ball handling. Brown is more of a SG/PG while Hutchinson is a SG/SF.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Hutchinson go in the lotto as long as he keeps his 3pt% up.


As someone who is a lot higher on Brown, I don’t see the comparison. Hutchison is good, but if he’s a lottery pick it’s a terrible pick. At the next level he’s a shooter and a slasher. He’s nothing special. Certainly not a lottery pick. I’m also not confident in his defense at all. He doesn’t chase guys around the floor and doesn’t have a great feel defensively.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1612 » by Foliohattu » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:27 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:
Rafly wrote:Thoughts on Svi Mykhailiuk. Great shooter. Feel many are sleeping on him.


Reminds me of Gordan Giricek.
Remember him being a young freshman, but shocking that he's just 20 and a senior :o
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1613 » by RipCity71252 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:50 am

Yeah the Hutchison hype is getting a bit crazy imo. He's always felt like a fools gold prospect to me. He'll make a few plays that make you think he has chance in the league, but im often wondering if he knows exactly what he's doing all the time.

He's a potential 3 and D player who really isn't good at either with positional concerns.
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Post#1614 » by tester551 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:33 am

916fan wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
916fan wrote:Chandler Hutchinson is an interesting prospect. Great breakdown by theStephien: https://www.thestepien.com/2018/01/11/chandler-hutchison-draft-sleeper-potential-closeout-killer/

Although one thing I have grips about is his on-ball quickness. I think he's got a solid 1st step, but just doesn't really have the advanced ball handling to pair with it to draw his defender away. I like him a lot though. Good athlete with an improving stroke.


Hes always been pretty solid all around. I’m pretty sure I’ve been clamoring him as a late first for the past to years. At first it looked like he hadn’t improved in two years, but last year he tried out for some NBA teams (I remember the Clippers and the Bucks being two teams he tried out for) and he took the advice NBA teams gave him like being able to finish with both hands/not only driving from one side of the court. And he also improved his three point shot. I’m not in love with him, but he’s better than current Kyle Anderson and that’s what matters.

His position in the NBA will come into play. Overall, he's more of a SG, but he doesn't have enough quickness to take opposing SGs off the dribble. His ball handling is solid, but he doesn't have enough moves in his arsenal to compensate for that quickness. I think getting stronger and playing SF would be his role in the NBA. I know some people think it's a wash between the wing positions, but I see a big advantage of him against SFs.

Oddly, he reminds me Troy Brown, except more bouncy and explosive. Brown has better ball handling. Brown is more of a SG/PG while Hutchinson is a SG/SF.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Hutchinson go in the lotto as long as he keeps his 3pt% up.

I really like Hutch, but the lotto talk is crazy.
He's definitely a SF in the NBA. His skill set is more adventageous there
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1615 » by Chi town » Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:23 pm

The-Power wrote:
baldur wrote:So with the emergence of wendell Carter, is this an 8 man draft? Can we roughly split in two tiers though?
First tier: doncic-bagley-ayton - either of young or porter.
Second tier: bamba, Jackson, Carter and the other one of porter or young

Do you agree with those tiers above?

No. I mean, first of all, how can you say it's roughly split in two tiers when you argue that both Porter and Young could be in either tier? That seems like you don't even believe in the two tiers yourself.

For me it's Doncic in tier 1. Then Jackson and Young in tier 2, followed by Porter, Ayton and Bagley. Then Bamba, with Carter closing in on him. But I'll wait and see where the latter two end up on my board. I still love Mikal Bridges and he's up there with them, and I also believe that Miles, Knox, Brown and Sexton all have the theoretical chance to finish ahead of one or both of them even though it would require some clear development in certain areas.


I have the exact same players in those tiers w Luka as clear #1 and JJJ clear #2.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1616 » by Chi town » Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:51 pm

JJJ... KG with a 3 ball?

Checkout KGs rookie year. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/garneke01.html

Obviously there will only be one KG. JJJ moves so fluidly and plays w fire like KG... minus the screaming and below the belt trash talking.

I think JJJ has elite foul drawing potential and 3 ball potential. I see him capable of putting 20ppg in the future. He doesn’t need to in order to have a massive impact.
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Post#1617 » by No-Man » Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:02 pm

KG is freaking 7'1 in shoes and twice the athlete, but yeah, other than that they are close
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Post#1618 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:41 pm

Tremendous game today from Bagley. 30/14 on 13/18 shooting against the #1 defense in the country. To bad the perimeter guys for Duke decided not to show up today. Also wasnt all that impressed with Carter either, he is a tremendous rebounder but he was pretty quiet today even though he put up 14/15 and 4 blks. He also missed a ton of crucial FTs at the end.
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Post#1619 » by SeattleJazzFan » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:44 pm

Bagley plays like a man. and i just love that demeanor. never gets too high or too low. as even keeled as they come. his motor is unparalleled. so explosive. not sure how he makes himself most useful in the NBA because NBA teams won't got to the low post consistently. would be pretty great if he could continue to make that outside shot reliable and dangerous. would open up so much for him.
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Post#1620 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:48 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:Bagley plays like a man. and i just love that demeanor. never gets too high or too low. as even keeled as they come. his motor is unparalleled. so explosive. not sure how he makes himself most useful in the NBA because NBA teams won't got to the low post consistently. would be pretty great if he could continue to make that outside shot reliable and dangerous. would open up so much for him.


He did make 2 more 3s in today's game. Considering him only being 18, I think with the amount of 3s hes making so far this year plus his form is really good, I think its a really solid bet his 3pt shot will be pretty solid within a few years in the NBA.

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