2021 NBA Draft

[NO-KG-AI]

I think Kuminga is my clear #5, but not in a bad way, just because I like the other 4 so much. I have a harder choice with sorting them, I’d feel comfortable with any over Kuminga... though I’d be happy to land him lol.




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[clyde21]

Lol @ the John Salley comp

[Ruzious]

I remember Pau as a rookie for Memphis. At the ends of close games, they'd alternate Pau and Lorenzen Wright at center - putting in Wright for defense and Pau for offense. Pau's offense was way ahead of his defense. Still, the Salley comp was far more odd.

[Duke4life831]

Where does everyone have Kispert roughly around? Lotto? Late teens? Late 1st? 6'7 with that shot is a hell of a combo to have in today's NBA.

[jman3134]

Where does everyone have Kispert roughly around? Lotto? Late teens? Late 1st? 6'7 with that shot is a hell of a combo to have in today's NBA.

I think most outlets have him top 10, lotto at worst.

[Ruzious]

Where does everyone have Kispert roughly around? Lotto? Late teens? Late 1st? 6'7 with that shot is a hell of a combo to have in today's NBA.

I think around 12th. Btw, I have Sam Hauser as a poor man's (and 2 years older) Kispert who's going to be a good NBA player - if he's given a chance.

[CptCrunch]

I think I have my final top 5

1. Kuminga
2. Mobley
3. Green
4. Suggs
5. Cade

Here is my 2 cent Devil's advocate version of the top 5.

1. Kuminga - a moderately low skill (compared usual #1 pick) SF with tools. Haven't we drafted enough of those? Those 39/25/62% shooting splits in the G-League aren't lighting anything on fire.

2. Mobley - when was the last time anyone drafted a franchise center? If you answer Embiid, what has Embiid won while not being injured?

3. Green - I actually don't dislike him that much. Big complete shooting guard like Ant-man, Wiggins of recent years. This is not a prediction of his NBA success, just a comparison of profile and draft stock. Reminds me a lot of Clyde the Glide.

4. Suggs - I literally do not believe in Gonzaga system players. I have a personal +10 draft rank Gonzaga discount I like to bake into my draft ranking. Claim: no American born/raised/developed Zaga players have ever justified their draft position due to their well run system (think Spurs of college). If you want to refute me with Sabonis, I counter with the fact that Sabonis didn't develop at Zaga. He developed in the NBA with good genes and league coaching.

5. Cade - bottom half athleticism for NBA SF, bottom third for a NBA PG/SG. So he is a skill based player with sub 1 ATO at over 4.2 TO/game in college? So his worst case scenario is a good, but not great role shooter? You basically have to pray that he cleans up his dishing and learn to play big point guard role in the NBA like Harden, Doncic, Donkey, Bron, Simmons? A little wishful imo.

[clyde21]

i don't understand the people who continue to say Cade's not athletic, yea he's a not a tier 1 run-jump guy but athleticism comes in many forms, dude has smooth movements, is highly coordinated and has outstanding body control for a 6-7 guy, the physical profile is plenty enough when you combine it with his general BBIQ and ball skills.

[Duke4life831]

I think I have my final top 5

1. Kuminga
2. Mobley
3. Green
4. Suggs
5. Cade

Here is my 2 cent Devil's advocate version of the top 5.

1. Kuminga - a moderately low skill (compared usual #1 pick) SF with tools. Haven't we drafted enough of those? Those 39/25/62% shooting splits in the G-League aren't lighting anything on fire.

2. Mobley - when was the last time anyone drafted a franchise center? If you answer Embiid, what has Embiid won while not being injured?

3. Green - I actually don't dislike him that much. Big complete shooting guard like Ant-man, Wiggins of recent years. This is not a prediction of his NBA success, just a comparison of profile and draft stock. Reminds me a lot of Clyde the Glide.

4. Suggs - I literally do not believe in Gonzaga system players. I have a personal +10 draft rank Gonzaga discount I like to bake into my draft ranking. Claim: no American born Zaga players have ever justified their draft position due to their well run system (think Spurs of college). If you want to refute me with Sabonis, I counter with the fact that Sabonis didn't develop at Zaga. He developed in the NBA with good genes and league coaching.

5. Cade - bottom half athleticism for NBA SF, bottom third for a NBA PG/SG. So he is a skill based player with sub 1 ATO at over 4.2 TO/game in college? So his worst case scenario is a good, but not great role shooter? You basically have to pray that he cleans up his dishing and learn to play big point guard role in the NBA like Harden, Doncic, Donkey, Bron, Simmons? A little wishful imo.

Kuminga - in a wing dominated league, he has all the tools you could ask for. The size, the athleticism, the aggression, and work ethic. His shooting results arent there, but there are no hitches or anything bad in his form. The two way potential is very high in arguably the most important position (size).

Mobley - Embiid and Jokic are arguably the two MVP favorites in the NBA this year. Mobley has a game that is perfectly suited too where the NBA is currently. A super versatile player on both ends of the court, with elite defensive instincts.

Green - Freak athlete in every aspect of the word. Elite elite first step and crazy explosion at the rim. He does have a funky shot but had good results from both 3 and from the line. Hard to pass up that kind of athleticism and scoring potential

Suggs - My argument to your Zaga system thing is, Zaga has never had an elite prospect enter their system like Suggs. I believe Suggs is the first 5 star recruit that Mark Few has gotten. So Suggs reputation didnt get built with the Zags system, if anything you can say the system held Suggs back from getting the big numbers. An athletic combo guard that can score from everywhere on the court and has shown ability to run an offense as well.

Cade - Ya had a sub 1 Ast/TO ratio, but who was he passing too? Outside of himself, who was a threat from 3 at OSU this year? Ben Simmons had like a 1.3 Ast/TO ratio when he was at LSU, at least he had Hornsby who was a sharpshooter to pass to. Cade has a great feel for the game on both ends and his shooting numbers from 3 and the line were impressive. Give him a spread out NBA offense with NBA shooters and a far less physical defense that the NBA plays. He will do just fine.

[jman3134]

For those interested in this EJ Onu big man/ having basketball withdrawal after yesterday, I suggest tuning into the NAIA championship on ESPN3.

[No-Man]

Kuminga - in a wing dominated league, he has all the tools you could ask for. The size, the athleticism, the aggression, and work ethic. His shooting results arent there, but there are no hitches or anything bad in his form. The two way potential is very high in arguably the most important position (size).

I just don't really understand what people are watching when they watch Kuminga, he is an average athlete

[Duke4life831]

Kuminga - in a wing dominated league, he has all the tools you could ask for. The size, the athleticism, the aggression, and work ethic. His shooting results arent there, but there are no hitches or anything bad in his form. The two way potential is very high in arguably the most important position (size).

I just don't really understand what people are watching when they watch Kuminga, he is an average athlete

Ya and Mobley is John Salley, we all see different things haha.

[No-Man]

No, I haven't said that, at all, I have said that they bring similar traits to defense, which they do

As for Kuminga I really think you are missing the boat, he is flexible and fluid for his size, which is great, but uber athletic he is not

He is a solid prospect, but having him at nº1 is very hard to swallow

[Duke4life831]

No, I haven't said that, at all, I have said that they bring similar traits to defense, which they do

As for Kuminga I really think you are missing the boat, he is flexible and fluid for his size, which is great, but uber athletic he is not

He is a solid prospect, but having him at nº1 is very hard to swallow

Ive joked about many times saying how Im alone on Kuminga island, I get it is not a popular take. I just like the foundation he has as a big wing in today's wing-dominated game. When it comes to his athleticism, ya he isnt a LeBron/Wiggins/Green/LaVine athlete. But he moves very well for his size, he gets his head near the rim as well, he's got a good combination of size, agility and explosiveness. His athleticism is a plus not a negative for him.

With all do respect man, you've been more bipolar on this class than anyone. You've gone from Green not being anywhere close, like at all with Cade, to being in the same tier. You went from saying I was being way too harsh on Jalen Johnson and there was no way he wouldn't go top 15 to just a month or so later you were claiming you were always low on him and you wouldn't draft him.

It wont shock me if a month from now you got Kuminga #1 haha.

[DCasey91]

No, I haven't said that, at all, I have said that they bring similar traits to defense, which they do

As for Kuminga I really think you are missing the boat, he is flexible and fluid for his size, which is great, but uber athletic he is not

He is a solid prospect, but having him at nº1 is very hard to swallow

Is a shorter Rudy Gay with elite defensive potential would be Kuminga’s comp?
I wouldn’t take him first either but being the youngest and one of the youngest in next years draft is very very enticing. Already has solid fundamentals in his handle for a big wing.
He has a very similar Jaylen Brown trajectory imo. Comes from wonderful stock/background too.

Brown/Williams/Siakam type.

I can’t go past Green though yeah he could turn into a another smaller version of Wiggins. But he’s already hard to handle now wait till he adds 15+ pounds naturally. That freak athleticism, classic two guard package is just too good to pass up.


Green
Cade
Mobley
Suggs
Kuminga

That’s my final ranking.

They’ll run Beal type action for Green offball/onball. but Green definitely has a better athletic profile if he reaches Beal’s skillset/development which is a tall order look the heck out. I dunno could be wrong but Green has the most “it” factor for me.

[No-Man]

Nope, I have never had Green on the same tier as Cade and I had him in tier 3 all along, anywhere from 4-9 during the whole process really, moved him a month ago or so to tier 2 to simplify things since he is ahead of Kuminga and the others in my mind

I got lower on Jalen as his season went on, it happens but I was never that high, I meant that he was going to go top15 in real life, and honestly probably would've before he left Duke

I have been pretty consistent on it, Cade 1 and Suggs 2 since like the Spring last year, always had Mobley and Green top9, always high on Keon, Moody and Wagner, always lower than consensus on Barnes

The game is dominated by wings with skills, like Cade, not like Kuminga

[No-Man]

No, I haven't said that, at all, I have said that they bring similar traits to defense, which they do

As for Kuminga I really think you are missing the boat, he is flexible and fluid for his size, which is great, but uber athletic he is not

He is a solid prospect, but having him at nº1 is very hard to swallow

Is a shorter Rudy Gay with elite defensive potential would be Kuminga’s comp?
I wouldn’t take him first either but being the youngest and one of the youngest in next years draft is very very enticing. Already has solid fundamentals in his handle for a big wing.
He has a very similar Jaylen Brown trajectory imo. Comes from wonderful stock/background too.

Brown/Williams/Siakam type.

I can’t go past Green though yeah he could turn into a another smaller version of Wiggins. But he’s already hard to handle now wait till he adds 15+ pounds naturally. That freak athleticism, classic two guard package is just too good to pass up.


Green
Cade
Mobley
Suggs
Kuminga

That’s my final ranking.

him being the youngest is far from being reliable
Gay was on another universe as an athlete, Kuminga is about the same size

His handle is okay, and he isn't nothing similar to Brown athletically, again, elite athlete vs just a solid one

classic two guard package is just too good to pass up what does that even mean?

[DCasey91]

Nope, I have never had Green on the same tier as Cade and I have him in tier 3 all along, anywhere from 4-9 during the whole process really

I got lower on Jalen as his season went on, it happens but I was never that high, I meant that he was going to go top15 in real life, and honestly probably would've before he left Duke

I have been pretty consistent on it, Cade 1 and Suggs 2 since like the Spring last year, always had Mobley and Green top9, always high on Keon, Moody and Wagner, always lower than consensus on Barnes

The game is dominated by wings with skills, like Cade, not like Kuminga

Why down on Green if you don’t mine me asking after a solid showing in a more NBA environment in the G league?

Classic two guard meaning classic shooting guard MJ/Kobe or a straight scorer like Beal.

Do you have concerns about Cade’s profile?

[No-Man]

Classic two guard meaning classic shooting guard MJ/Kobe or a straight scorer like Beal.

that's just a whole lot of non-sense imo, how is that a plus?

there are better archetypes, you are making it sound like if he were a guy to not pass up on because of that

[DCasey91]

Classic two guard meaning classic shooting guard MJ/Kobe or a straight scorer like Beal.

that's just a whole lot of non-sense imo, how is that a plus?

there are better archetypes, you are making it sound like if he were a guy to not pass up on because of that

To my eyes there isn’t a better archetype in this draft

If Green averages 25+ a game he’ll probably be the top ranked player in this draft 3-4 years from now.
Once I see him finishing through contact ala Ingram at the Lakers after about his second year that’s an all star.

I don’t have Cade developing out into a top 5 wing
not with his handle/athleticism/no outliers in skillset & measurables and divergence of scoring capabilities. A way better shooting Barrett is my recent comparison he’s definitely not a Luka prospect.

Mobley kind of has the same problem too and I’m super high on him but master of none type skillset.
More of tweener that a true big man size. Bosh hybrid but Toronto Bosh was just way more aggressive.

Kuminga I like same with Suggs. Suggs is big for a PG Jason Kidd/Billups mold. Won’t surprise if he goes to a really good organization and he’s one of best the players on a championship team (Lowry 19, Kidd 2011). Easily the best leader from this class.