2021 NBA Draft

[DCasey91]

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Watching full of games of him is a joy when he’s on one as would everyone know. The height on his jump shots, he’s already finishing above 50% on drives, the aerial stuff. All aboard the Green train

[jman3134]

^ Not to take anything from any other prospect in this class, but he is my top prospect. Just supreme athleticism and he already can play in the league.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Anyone concerned with how Green lands on his jumpers? Pretty unorthodox with the right foot landing significantly forward. Or is it an issue of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”?

[crows2]

Classic two guard meaning classic shooting guard MJ/Kobe or a straight scorer like Beal.

that's just a whole lot of non-sense imo, how is that a plus?

there are better archetypes, you are making it sound like if he were a guy to not pass up on because of that

To my eyes there isn’t a better archetype in this draft

If Green averages 25+ a game he’ll probably be the top ranked player in this draft 3-4 years from now.
Once I see him finishing through contact ala Ingram at the Lakers after about his second year that’s an all star.

I don’t have Cade developing out into a top 5 wing
not with his handle/athleticism/no outliers in skillset & measurables and divergence of scoring capabilities. A way better shooting Barrett is my recent comparison he’s definitely not a Luka prospect.

Mobley kind of has the same problem too and I’m super high on him but master of none type skillset.
More of tweener that a true big man size. Bosh hybrid but Toronto Bosh was just way more aggressive.

Kuminga I like same with Suggs. Suggs is big for a PG Jason Kidd/Billups mold. Won’t surprise if he goes to a really good organization and he’s one of best the players on a championship team (Lowry 19, Kidd 2011). Easily the best leader from this class.

I think you’re mixing up the concept of archetypes with your personal view of the players. Just because you don’t see Cade reaching his ceiling doesn’t mean his play style doesn’t match that archetype.

His play style is the most valuable archetype in the NBA today. Anyone who sees him reaching or getting close to that ceiling would have him as number one. If you don’t see him reaching that level, that’s fine, but it’s not because his archetype is less valuable than a scoring 2-guard like Green.

[DCasey91]

that's just a whole lot of non-sense imo, how is that a plus?

there are better archetypes, you are making it sound like if he were a guy to not pass up on because of that

To my eyes there isn’t a better archetype in this draft

If Green averages 25+ a game he’ll probably be the top ranked player in this draft 3-4 years from now.
Once I see him finishing through contact ala Ingram at the Lakers after about his second year that’s an all star.

I don’t have Cade developing out into a top 5 wing
not with his handle/athleticism/no outliers in skillset & measurables and divergence of scoring capabilities. A way better shooting Barrett is my recent comparison he’s definitely not a Luka prospect.

Mobley kind of has the same problem too and I’m super high on him but master of none type skillset.
More of tweener that a true big man size. Bosh hybrid but Toronto Bosh was just way more aggressive.

Kuminga I like same with Suggs. Suggs is big for a PG Jason Kidd/Billups mold. Won’t surprise if he goes to a really good organization and he’s one of best the players on a championship team (Lowry 19, Kidd 2011). Easily the best leader from this class.

I think you’re mixing up the concept of archetypes with your personal view of the players. Just because you don’t see Cade reaching his ceiling doesn’t mean his play style doesn’t match that archetype.

His play style is the most valuable archetype in the NBA today. Anyone who sees him reaching or getting close to that ceiling would have him as number one. If you don’t see him reaching that level, that’s fine, but it’s not because his archetype is less valuable than a scoring 2-guard like Green.

That’s fair enough for archetypes I have premium two guard potential over a secondary option wing potential (no knock never saw Cade as a primary facilitating/scoring option) basically.

[jman3134]

NVM

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Wow you're so amazing for tweeting about someone who played in the NCAA tournament one (1) day before their game. I hope an NBA team hires you having for that kind of insight.

[jman3134]

Not tooting my own horn by any means - you are missing my point. We have met each other briefly a bunch of times and followed each other. These are the only two players I have tweeted about draft stock wise, and coincidentally they post something back to back on those same guys 3 days later. Seems very coincidental is my point.

But, yeah, calling a breakout one day before a career high game I would say is a pretty good job. And check my big board on the guy from a month ago. I am wrong as much as I am right, but that isn't my point. Don't care to call attention to myself - that's not what I am saying.

Really isn't cool imo.

[Sea2003]

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[babyjax13]

Going back through the thread I'm seeing a couple people talk about Ivey (including jman) - seems like a good call, he looks great.

[MemphisX]

Going back through the thread I'm seeing a couple people talk about Ivey (including jman) - seems like a good call, he looks great.

If I am a NBA GM, I give him a late 1st round promise to declare.

[Sugarless]

I don't know what the hell else Davion Mitchell needs to do to be considered a mid-teens pick after tonight. Sure, he's 22 and only 6-2, and he's not gonna be allowed to be so physical in the defense-aversive NBA, but in my eyes the kid is the best backcourt defender in years at the college level, his intensity throughout the games all year long has been incredible, he's got a really quick first step and knows how to use his body and the scoop shot to finish at the rim, he's got a nasty mid-range pull-up jumper, he's shot 46% from 3 this year (a bit less after tonight) and he's an underrated passer. His game has grown so much since his freshman year at Auburn...

I'm not expecting him to be as efficient scoring the ball at the next level, I think he's not a +40% 3-pt shooter from NBA range right now, but he's a hard worker and the foundation is certainly there. He's also not a pure PG, but he can be a better distributor than many combo guards at the pro level. As for his height, it's not ideal, but the dude is a tank and has extremely quick feet and hands, he'll no doubt make an impact defensively at the 1 and 2 spots.

He's definitely not a guy that I would pass on in the 15 to 20 range. I don't care about his age.

[mattg]

He's no future star or anything, but Oral Roberts PG Abmas can definitely play in the NBA.

[Stillwater]

He's no future star or anything, but Oral Roberts PG Abmas can definitely play in the NBA.

I think he can too but your timing is funny since what was probably his worst half of the season just ended

[mattg]

He's no future star or anything, but Oral Roberts PG Abmas can definitely play in the NBA.

I think he can too but your timing is funny since what was probably his worst half of the season just ended

Seen his other 2 tourney games as well. But it's more about his translatable attributes which are still on the display despite missing some shots today

[Stillwater]

He's no future star or anything, but Oral Roberts PG Abmas can definitely play in the NBA.

I think he can too but your timing is funny since what was probably his worst half of the season just ended

Seen his other 2 tourney games as well. But it's more about his translatable attributes which are still on the display despite missing some shots today

hes faster than people think which should help his stock but hes a major liability defensively at the next level so hes gotta hit those $ shots at the next level to stick

[Neeva]

I don't know what the hell else Davion Mitchell needs to do to be considered a mid-teens pick after tonight. Sure, he's 22 and only 6-2, and he's not gonna be allowed to be so physical in the defense-aversive NBA, but in my eyes the kid is the best backcourt defender in years at the college level, his intensity throughout the games all year long has been incredible, he's got a really quick first step and knows how to use his body and the scoop shot to finish at the rim, he's got a nasty mid-range pull-up jumper, he's shot 46% from 3 this year (a bit less after tonight) and he's an underrated passer. His game has grown so much since his freshman year at Auburn...

I'm not expecting him to be as efficient scoring the ball at the next level, I think he's not a +40% 3-pt shooter from NBA range right now, but he's a hard worker and the foundation is certainly there. He's also not a pure PG, but he can be a better distributor than many combo guards at the pro level. As for his height, it's not ideal, but the dude is a tank and has extremely quick feet and hands, he'll no doubt make an impact defensively at the 1 and 2 spots.

He's definitely not a guy that I would pass on in the 15 to 20 range. I don't care about his age.

Looks shorter than 6’2.

[getrichordie]

Hey guys. Finally getting a chance to hop back on for the first time in quite a while. Interesting to see all of the different opinions out there. A lot of you guys are really high on Suggs. What do you see his median outcome being in the NBA? Seems like he is being a bit overhyped compared to when I watch him. Reliant on athleticism. Doesn't like to go left. Combo guard type. Why is he the #1 guy on people's boards over guys like Cade, Mobley, and Green?

[karkinos]

because i think suggs can actually have the impact to make his team better. he's a great prospect because he doesn't commit very many mistakes. this is especially important for someone who i can believe be a downhill player, push a high pace, and can trust to make the right decisions when he gets into the paint. he's not going to be the type of guy who gets 30ppg but he will be a floor general.

suggs is my favorite player in this draft but for draft order, right now i actually see cade #1 (this hasn't changed really at all) and jalen green going #2 and thus supplanting suggs who i previously expected to get drafted #2.

[Stillwater]

I don't know what the hell else Davion Mitchell needs to do to be considered a mid-teens pick after tonight. Sure, he's 22 and only 6-2, and he's not gonna be allowed to be so physical in the defense-aversive NBA, but in my eyes the kid is the best backcourt defender in years at the college level, his intensity throughout the games all year long has been incredible, he's got a really quick first step and knows how to use his body and the scoop shot to finish at the rim, he's got a nasty mid-range pull-up jumper, he's shot 46% from 3 this year (a bit less after tonight) and he's an underrated passer. His game has grown so much since his freshman year at Auburn...

I'm not expecting him to be as efficient scoring the ball at the next level, I think he's not a +40% 3-pt shooter from NBA range right now, but he's a hard worker and the foundation is certainly there. He's also not a pure PG, but he can be a better distributor than many combo guards at the pro level. As for his height, it's not ideal, but the dude is a tank and has extremely quick feet and hands, he'll no doubt make an impact defensively at the 1 and 2 spots.

He's definitely not a guy that I would pass on in the 15 to 20 range. I don't care about his age.

Looks shorter than 6’2.

And with that wingspan who cares