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Re: Luka Dončić - The best prospect in the World... TRUE OR FALSE? 

Post#1681 » by dantheman74 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:06 pm

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dantheman74 wrote:Heard this about Mario Hezonja, who is a bigger, quicker and stronger Euro. Can't waste your lottery picks on longshots like this who haven't proven themselves against similar NBA talent growing up. Any team that thinks they're playoff bound with him running the show are gonna be sad when he can't stay in front of anyone on D or beat anyone off the dribble.


Where is the down vote option? Do you even know anything about the two players you are talking about? Have you even seen Doncic play and the level of competition he's doing it against? :crazy:


Yes i've seen them both play and i expect i will see plenty more of both of them, i haven't completely written off Hezonja yet as a backup and i know Doncic is an NBA capable talent of the future, but i don't think he's the best prospect in basketball when there is Bagley, Porter, Ayton and Bamba to choose from, plus about half a dozen others i think are going to be great players.

I initially raised Hezonja's name as he was hyped up enough to go top 5 and i didn't think he should of, had similar size, also transitioned from Euroleague, both like to run and attack the hoop yet also aren't scared to shoot from deep at that age. Probably not the fairest comparison, but there's certainly been more than a few Euros not live up to their high lottery expectations.

I hope for all the best for Doncic and i can see him as a solid rotation piece but not a star. Why?, In my view (don't shoot me like many others have for having an opinion on a player) he won't get to handle the ball as a playmaker nearly as much as he does now, and he hasn't shown the speed to stay in front of guards every time i've seen him play, let alone when at NBA level where they are lightning, lets be real the comparison to euroleague is huge, and quite a few guys ex NBA guys have gone there and looked like superstars. No doubt Doncic has good offensive skills and iq for his age in passing and the pick and roll, but he's not gonna get by many NBA players on the break or dribble slowly into the paint like he is currently getting away with.

I just think it's an extremely tough position at his size to become great in the NBA due to the elite athleticism needed at guard/wing, off the top of my head i can think of only five Europeans currently getting major minutes there and they are either great shooters who are also fairly quick, and Giannis, (theres a couple of quick point guards but Doncic isn't built to play that position full time in the NBA), compared to the 6'10+ guys which there are maybe two dozen+ of that are getting major minutes. Sorry that was a long ramble.
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Re: Luka Dončić - The best prospect in the World... TRUE OR FALSE? 

Post#1682 » by pohani komarac » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:08 pm

nomorezorro wrote:age absent from the equation, how good is he as a euroleague player? like, not judging on a scale, he is somewhere around the [X]th best player in the league right now



Top 5? 100%.

Best? Maybe, for sure one can make strong argument about it. Considering his rapid progress from day to day by the end of season he will be the best. F
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Re: Luka Dončić - The best prospect in the World... TRUE OR FALSE? 

Post#1683 » by Mickey8 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:15 pm

He's going to get killed by athletic players at his position in the league on the nightly basis.
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Re: Luka Dončić - The best prospect in the World... TRUE OR FALSE? 

Post#1684 » by mixerball » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:29 pm

personally i hope he doesnt go number 1. people expect incredible things right away from first picks and the pressure is ridiculous.

that said, europe hasnt seen this type of talent in a long time. at 18 he is already great european player. will his incredible basketball smarts translate into nba is yet to be seen. i think he could be, at worst, a great team player that any contender wants and needs in his team. at best, all star, 2nd or 1b option on contender.
his drive, will and passion to win have already been proven. his work ethic and humble personality off court display maturity and a smart head on his shoulders. all that equals a great prospect.
to be throwing generic "another european bust" cheers at this guy is simply ignorant as we live in an age where everything is well documented. you can see everything luka does on the court. there is no mystery here.

and again, he is only 18. even if his improvement stops right now he is already a starter/leader in an european powerhouse. that alone is incredible.


dantheman74 wrote:Heard this about Mario Hezonja, who is a bigger, quicker and stronger Euro. Can't waste your lottery picks on longshots like this who haven't proven themselves against similar NBA talent growing up. Any team that thinks they're playoff bound with him running the show are gonna be sad when he can't stay in front of anyone on D or beat anyone off the dribble.

ok, others have stated their strong opinions about hezonja/doncic comparison and i agree with them. but that doesnt matter. yeah, luka could be a so called "bust" but to say that he is an unproven longshot who hasnt proven himself against similar nba talent growing up is straigh up laughable. first luka plays against speedy guards and athletic bigs in euroleague aswell as ACB(spanish league) and has demonstarted he can handle teams full of nba talent in recent eurobasket. at 17 he played against OKC with real madrid and did a decent job. what have american guys proven so far? they play against other unproven nba prospects their own age who have equal amount of bust potential as any european prospect.

young11a wrote:I always hear bout these legends like Dragon b3nder and Mario and all these guys and there garbage

you have a very selective hearing. these two were hyped by nba scouts. and although hezonja did better than bender none of these guys really made any significant mark in europe.

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diebieber wrote:False.

Would've been easier if we saw him in college. We've seen many Euros come and go without having a successful NBA career. Not saying he's bad, but I still don't think we got a fair sample size of who he really is.


what? he's right now playing against a competition that is 3 levels above college ball. and he is dominating that competition at the age of 18.

good gawd, 'murica! :noway:


IQ wise, sure. He's playing against better competition. I don't think anyone is doubting the kids IQ. I think athleticism wise, Euro basketball is a major step down from NCAA. That's where he has the biggest question mark. Can he produce at a high level when he's not as athletic or strong as these other players in the NBA? That's usually the reason why Euro players fail in the NBA with the exception of a few.

european basketball is not a major step down from NCAA in athleticism. euroleage teams have just as much athletic power as any NCAA team and would win easily if they played.
second, this notion that majority of european players fail with the exception of few, is totaly wrong. its just a matter of percentages. not all american players are stars. there are a lot of european players in NBA. a lot of role players, some borderline stars, few stars and once in a while a superstar apears. same with american players. its about percentages. american and european players have both equal amount of bust potential.
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Re: Luka Dončić - The best prospect in the World... TRUE OR FALSE? 

Post#1685 » by mixerball » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:34 pm

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Potedon wrote:While everyone else is blinded by the Doncic hype, I noticed another Slovenian player currently playing for Real Madrid:
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6'11, condoresque wingspan, can step out and hit the 3, guard every position on the court.

Possible #1?

And doubt Doncic has any chance of being a franchise player, see solid starter at best, but he seems pretty cocky. Would probably run back to Europe to be a star once he realizes he can't be one here.


Yeah, comparing 28 years old Anthony Randolph to 18 years old teenagers... If you have to win a game right now, you pick Randolph before Porter and Bagley. But 18 years old Randolph wouldn't play for Real Madrid. You are making a very weird argument.


Point being that just because a guy does well in one league doesn't mean he'll amount to anything in a much, much superior league.

yes, but can you deny his potential?
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1686 » by Marcus » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:44 pm

Mods moved the discussion from GB to here so I'm merging that thread with the current one on the draft board.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1687 » by Buzissa » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:47 pm

Doncic is not comparable to any other European prospect before him. Can't really predict if he will be number 1 because I don't know the other prospects. But again, no other European youngster had the same production at this level before him.

Ricky Rubio 2010-2011 with Barcelona (age 20)
- 4th in MPG in a very good team, but took the backseat in an offense lead by Navarro, Mickeal and later Alan Anderson (when Mickeal got injured); pretty much the same player he is today, more or less the same role (6.5ppg, 31% FG, 3.2rpg, 3.5apg, 1.6stl)

Mario Hezonja 2014-2015 with Barcelona (age 19)
- 9th in MPG in a good team, mostly used as spot up shooter.

While Luka Doncic in 2017-2018 with Real Madrid (age 18)
- Leading the offense of one the best teams in Europe, 23-6-4 in 27mpg with crazy efficiency. His numbers don't seem sustainable (3 games only), but no doubt he will continue to lead his team while Sergio Llull is recovering from injury. Also, don't forget he posted 14-8-4 in Eurobasket, playing for the European champions.

Ricky and Mario went 5th in the Draft, so I can easily see Doncic go 1st. That simple.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1688 » by young11a » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:06 pm

ahahah just watched his highlights this guy will be brutal in the nba hes slow as mollasis and no athletic ability.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1689 » by PLO » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:45 pm

He's a year younger than Mo Bamba, about the same for Ayton, 6 months younger than Porter Jr. He and Bagley should be the top rated prospects at this stage.
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Re: Luka Dončić - The best prospect in the World... TRUE OR FALSE? 

Post#1690 » by burek3 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:52 am

UcanUwill wrote:
burek3 wrote:Hm, think like Boštjan Nachbar, less athletic, but waaaaaay more skillful.


I think he is way more skilled Evan Turner.


Eh, mods mangled the thread... Initially there was talk about other similar players from the region that have already been to the NBA.

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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1691 » by XTraderXL » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:47 am

I am not worried about his athletic ability in the NBA. If you remember, 2 years ago the same was said about him playing in Euroleague. He was supposed to not be athletic enough to play significant minutes in EL and 2 years later he is dominating and there are no issues with athleticism.

I think something similar will happen in the NBA. He will not dominate like in Euroleague, but he will find a way to be efficient scorer and at least an average defender. Last year we had a debate about how much his athletic ability could improve and we now see it can be done a lot in this area. On top of that is still getting better and better so by the time he gets to the NBA and receives NBA training, he will be good to go.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1692 » by narcolepsy » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:59 pm

He deservedly got the MVP of the round.
http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/8aga66tcihey9cqq/round-3-mvp-luka-doncic-real-madrid

At the moment he's leading the league in scoring with 22.7 ppg and PIR with 31.3.

Tonight is already a new match vs Zalgiris. Interested to see how Jasikevicius is going to try to stop Doncic. The injuries are piling up and I dont know if they can win another one with Dino Radoncic as their starting PF. I think he's going to be a good player, but right now he's just not ready for this kind of competition, as any other 18yo wouldnt be (Doncic excluded).
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1693 » by CptCrunch » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:07 pm

PLO wrote:He's a year younger than Mo Bamba, about the same for Ayton, 6 months younger than Porter Jr. He and Bagley should be the top rated prospects at this stage.


2018 is the biggest class of super seniors ever.

Bagley and Doncic are pretty much the only top players in their right class age wise. Red shirting has gotten ridiculous in middle and elementary school.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1694 » by reanimator » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:38 pm

Ayton-Bagley are my 1-2 if Ayton's motor comes around and Bagley's perimeter touch is as advertised based on the scrimmage reports but I've moved Doncic above Michael Porter Jr.
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Regular Season Round 3 MVP: Luka Doncic 

Post#1695 » by Oscar9992 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:51 pm

Regular Season Round 3 MVP: Luka Doncic, Real Madrid

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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1696 » by BoardCrusher » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:26 pm

he single handedly destroyed Zalgiris in 3rd quarter
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1697 » by JamesConway » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:45 pm

WTF man. What a second half...
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1698 » by Juree93 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:46 pm

28 pts (9/13 FG) 9 Reb, 4 AS... 35 PIR... what a game.. again
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Post#1699 » by a3r0d » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:48 pm

This is getting disgusting. 27.45 min played, 28 points on 5/7 2PG FG, 4/6 in threes 6/6 free throws, 9 rebounds, 4 assists , 35 player rating. :crazy: :crazy:
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1700 » by UcanUwill » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:56 pm

Cat can shoot, he gets these numbers so effortlessly.

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