2022 NBA Draft

[Big J]

We need to get rid of the damn draft altogether. What other profession requires guys to live in places they don’t want to. It’s hogwash IMO.

[babyjax13]

We need to get rid of the damn draft altogether. What other profession requires guys to live in places they don’t want to. It’s hogwash IMO.

Most non-service/health professions?

[Big J]

I still think it’s dumb. Guys should be allowed to sign wherever they want from the jump. That way it would be up to the teams to manage their caps correctly in order to put together a winning squad. We’d also see a lot less guys wanting out right after signing the max.

[Nuntius]

Ya the Ivey being a PG thing needs to die already haha.

I actually think Ivey has one of the clearer archetypes in this draft. You take him with the Mitchell/LaVine view point. He will be your primary ball handler but not your primary floor general.

You just need a PG to pair with him that fits that. A Conley/Ball fit with that kind of player perfectly. If I draft Ivey, I'm probably looking to sign Tyus Jones this summer to pair with him. Because he is the kind of PG you'd like next to him. Super smart PG that doesn't need to dominate the ball but can settle the offense down and run sets when needed.

If you're drafting Ivey to be a PG, that's going to go very poorly.

I agree that Ivey has a clear archetype and that's why I want my Pacers to draft him. We already have a very good young guard in Tyrese Haliburton that excels in playmaking but isn't much of a volume scorer (he can definitely score, though). Ivey is kind of the opposite of that. He excels in scoring but isn't much of a playmaker. So, we'd have Ivey to score in bunches and Haliburton to be a floor general. Both are dynamic on the open court as well and both want to play at a high-tempo.

As far as guard tandems are concerned, this is one that seems to fit, imo.

I think it could work for sure and if the Pacers have a chance to take Ivey, I would be all for it.

My only push back from that would be I like the idea of giving Haliburton the ball even more and asking him to expand his role. Just for a quick comparison for Time per possession

Conley: 5.4
Lonzo: 4.2
Haliburton: 7.6

Both Conley and Ball arent 1st on their team's when it comes to Time Per Possession. And if I was trying to maximize Ivey, ideally he would be in that same situation where he is 1st in time per possession on his team, with a smart efficient PG to pair up with him.

I like the fact that Haliburton handles the ball a lot. I think he's more than capable of being a high volume on ball guy that scores and runs the offense, I think that will lead to good things with him.

But again that is with the idea of maximizing Ivey. If I were a Pacer fan and asked if I wanted a Haliburton/Ivey duo, Im all for it. Because ya there is still enough time for both guys to be high volume on ball guys and with Haliburton's skill set, he can still be super effective playing off the ball when you have Ivey with the ball. Definitely a duo I would like to see.

Yep, fully agreed. I agree with you that Haliburton is capable of being a higher volume guy than he currently is. I would also be very excited about a potential Haliburton/Jabari Smith duo. Or a Haliburton/Holmgren duo. Or a Haliburton/Banchero duo. Or a Haliburton/Sharpe duo if Sharpe declares. Really, what I just want is a top 4 pick. If we get one of the top 4 picks then we're going to get a player I'm excited about

[Nuntius]

Ya the Ivey being a PG thing needs to die already haha.

I actually think Ivey has one of the clearer archetypes in this draft. You take him with the Mitchell/LaVine view point. He will be your primary ball handler but not your primary floor general.

You just need a PG to pair with him that fits that. A Conley/Ball fit with that kind of player perfectly. If I draft Ivey, I'm probably looking to sign Tyus Jones this summer to pair with him. Because he is the kind of PG you'd like next to him. Super smart PG that doesn't need to dominate the ball but can settle the offense down and run sets when needed.

If you're drafting Ivey to be a PG, that's going to go very poorly.

I agree that Ivey has a clear archetype and that's why I want my Pacers to draft him. We already have a very good young guard in Tyrese Haliburton that excels in playmaking but isn't much of a volume scorer (he can definitely score, though). Ivey is kind of the opposite of that. He excels in scoring but isn't much of a playmaker. So, we'd have Ivey to score in bunches and Haliburton to be a floor general. Both are dynamic on the open court as well and both want to play at a high-tempo.

As far as guard tandems are concerned, this is one that seems to fit, imo.

good plan

Indy was one of the places I thought Ivey fits best, even more so now that Hali's on board

only issue is Duarte/Ivey essentially are both 2s, maybe Duarte can play the 3 in some capacities but one of them essentially will have to come off the bench.

but yea, love Hali/Ivey on paper.

I'm not all that worried about Duarte. He could play the 3 or come off the bench. He's best as an off-ball player anyway and I wouldn't have an issue running a 3-guard lineup at times.

[Saints14]

You can’t discount College experience at all yes for an elite world sport College is on low low tier of a developmental system but it’s still a system all the same.

NBA needs the exact model of the Majors (A, AA, AAA) sooner rather than later then the argument for Moore would be a lot more sound.

NBA still has a very real problem of youngsters going in who don’t deserve to be just on age they are not ready. Until that problem is remedied the product isn’t the best it’s going to be.

Also NBA teams having a strict secondary squad for juniors/zone prospects only will bring outstanding results. It’s tried and tested and works wonderfully

I think the G league is making strides towards being a legit minor league for guys who aren't ready for the NBA, but it's not quite there yet. The Ignite is a decent alternative to college ball for top prospects but I think it would be cool to implement a more formal "domestic draft and stash" for guys who need more development. Maybe you can draft a kid, and agree to a 1 year G-league stint before their rookie contract kicks in? The player would have to wait a year before getting their NBA salary (they'd get a G-league salary) but their draft position would be locked in, and teams wouldn't have to eat years of a rookie deal to develop them

Exactly I’m thinking more 3 years (18-21 and onwards) access to zone prospects first dibs essentially. Kind of like a European style approach but in the USA. All NBA teams have a junior squad that trains with the starters and bench players etc so it’s all one thing. Say 3 youngsters on each list brings it to a legit 15. Then you can get rid of two ways and 10 day contracts which is silly imo the draft slot is where it’s locked in. Also you can’t cheat if another club bids on it using their pick as circumventing the draft can’t happen. So you won’t see a top ten prospect go in the 40’s so to speak.

Happens in our national sport and they have it bang on for a draft laden one. Keeps local talent and allows them to develop properly. Also extension signings happen during their first year sometimes if they are that talented. Now that high school kids are coming in I believe there will be a lot more developmental system problems that will occur this is just one of many ways to rectify it long term.

Was listening to the Game Theory podcast and they were talking about the Thunder organization, and that’s basically how they do it between the Thunder and Blue. Seems to be a big advantage for them in developing players, for example they mentioned how Poku could play for the Blue and then to watch film or workout with the Thunder, and guys can be called up and down easily without it disrupting their lives. Would kind of suck for smaller cities not having a g league team but it seemed like a great model for other teams to replicate

[Big J]

I think the G league is making strides towards being a legit minor league for guys who aren't ready for the NBA, but it's not quite there yet. The Ignite is a decent alternative to college ball for top prospects but I think it would be cool to implement a more formal "domestic draft and stash" for guys who need more development. Maybe you can draft a kid, and agree to a 1 year G-league stint before their rookie contract kicks in? The player would have to wait a year before getting their NBA salary (they'd get a G-league salary) but their draft position would be locked in, and teams wouldn't have to eat years of a rookie deal to develop them

Exactly I’m thinking more 3 years (18-21 and onwards) access to zone prospects first dibs essentially. Kind of like a European style approach but in the USA. All NBA teams have a junior squad that trains with the starters and bench players etc so it’s all one thing. Say 3 youngsters on each list brings it to a legit 15. Then you can get rid of two ways and 10 day contracts which is silly imo the draft slot is where it’s locked in. Also you can’t cheat if another club bids on it using their pick as circumventing the draft can’t happen. So you won’t see a top ten prospect go in the 40’s so to speak.

Happens in our national sport and they have it bang on for a draft laden one. Keeps local talent and allows them to develop properly. Also extension signings happen during their first year sometimes if they are that talented. Now that high school kids are coming in I believe there will be a lot more developmental system problems that will occur this is just one of many ways to rectify it long term.

Was listening to the Game Theory podcast and they were talking about the Thunder organization, and that’s basically how they do it between the Thunder and Blue. Seems to be a big advantage for them in developing players, for example they mentioned how Poku could play for the Blue and then to watch film or workout with the Thunder, and guys can be called up and down easily without it disrupting their lives. Would kind of suck for smaller cities not having a g league team but it seemed like a great model for other teams to replicate

Or maybe not since the Thunder is basically a farm system for the league.

[Duke4life831]

Patrick Baldwin was fired yesterday. That pretty much puts a bow on a horrible year for that family.

Really curious if Baldwin Jr decides to come back and transfer, or if he enters the draft. Because at the moment, Im not sure he is locked in as a 1st round pick. Transferring to a good team and where his main role will be to be a catch and shoot guy, he could bump up his stock if he has a good shooting year and solidify himself as a 1st round pick next year and lock in getting a guaranteed contract.

[babyjax13]

Patrick Baldwin was fired yesterday. That pretty much puts a bow on a horrible year for that family.

Really curious if Baldwin Jr decides to come back and transfer, or if he enters the draft. Because at the moment, Im not sure he is locked in as a 1st round pick. Transferring to a good team and where his main role will be to be a catch and shoot guy, he could bump up his stock if he has a good shooting year and solidify himself as a 1st round pick next year and lock in getting a guaranteed contract.

He could probably go to a really good program, too. I'd imagine he'd have his choice of Auburn, Duke, Kentucky, Gonzaga, and Baylor (among others). Gonzaga could probably do the best job of showcasing him and playing to his strengths.

[DCasey91]

Exactly I’m thinking more 3 years (18-21 and onwards) access to zone prospects first dibs essentially. Kind of like a European style approach but in the USA. All NBA teams have a junior squad that trains with the starters and bench players etc so it’s all one thing. Say 3 youngsters on each list brings it to a legit 15. Then you can get rid of two ways and 10 day contracts which is silly imo the draft slot is where it’s locked in. Also you can’t cheat if another club bids on it using their pick as circumventing the draft can’t happen. So you won’t see a top ten prospect go in the 40’s so to speak.

Happens in our national sport and they have it bang on for a draft laden one. Keeps local talent and allows them to develop properly. Also extension signings happen during their first year sometimes if they are that talented. Now that high school kids are coming in I believe there will be a lot more developmental system problems that will occur this is just one of many ways to rectify it long term.

Was listening to the Game Theory podcast and they were talking about the Thunder organization, and that’s basically how they do it between the Thunder and Blue. Seems to be a big advantage for them in developing players, for example they mentioned how Poku could play for the Blue and then to watch film or workout with the Thunder, and guys can be called up and down easily without it disrupting their lives. Would kind of suck for smaller cities not having a g league team but it seemed like a great model for other teams to replicate

Or maybe not since the Thunder is basically a farm system for the league.

Yes and other clubs are a farm system too. My point is when high school kids enter it’ll further dilute the overall product. I do believe the NBA is behind as a world sport when it’s to proper developmental systems at domestic level and until it’s remedied with a sound plan it’ll only be more headaches.

It’s not so much the age playing a role it’s the maturity.

[Duke4life831]

Patrick Baldwin was fired yesterday. That pretty much puts a bow on a horrible year for that family.

Really curious if Baldwin Jr decides to come back and transfer, or if he enters the draft. Because at the moment, Im not sure he is locked in as a 1st round pick. Transferring to a good team and where his main role will be to be a catch and shoot guy, he could bump up his stock if he has a good shooting year and solidify himself as a 1st round pick next year and lock in getting a guaranteed contract.

He could probably go to a really good program, too. I'd imagine he'd have his choice of Auburn, Duke, Kentucky, Gonzaga, and Baylor (among others). Gonzaga could probably do the best job of showcasing him and playing to his strengths.

Ya that's the thing, if he transfers he needs to go to a really good team. Because I think the entire idea would be for him to get to settle into that catch and shoot role. Because all he really needs is a season where he is shooting 38%+ from 3, be 6'9 and active. And with that he will pretty much lock himself into a 1st round pick. And ya I think teams would line up for him.

Id love to see him at Duke next year.

Lively
Filipowski
Baldwin
Whitehead
Roach

Ya sign me up for that starting lineup. He would get wide open looks all day long with that lineup as well, with the amount of attention Lively, Filipowski, and Whitehead are going to garner. But ya any of the top teams could use him and most likely would put him in a pretty good spot for him.

Now again the my entire premise of him coming back would be based on him going to the combine and learning he isn't going to be a lock for a 1st round pick. If that's not the case and he knows he is still a lock to be a 1st round pick this year. Definitely go and get drafted. But there is a big difference between that guaranteed contract with being a 1st round pick and not getting that guaranteed deal as a 2nd rounder.

[azcatz11]

I haven't seen Baldwin play at all and know nothing about him other than he was a top recruit but how bad was he this season? Like laughably bad or bad b/c his team sucked? If a combination - which was worse?

Reason I'm asking is b/c if this kid truly is not a good player he should declare and take the risk of being a late 1st by a team who still thinks he has potential vs. transferring to a good team and being further exposed.

[Duke4life831]

I haven't seen Baldwin play at all and know nothing about him other than he was a top recruit but how bad was he this season? Like laughably bad or bad b/c his team sucked? If a combination - which was worse?

Reason I'm asking is b/c if this kid truly is not a good player he should declare and take the risk of being a late 1st by a team who still thinks he has potential vs. transferring to a good team and being further exposed.

He dealt with injuries (only played 11 games), but ya he has been pretty laughably bad this year.

That team is so bad and he doesnt have the skill set to be the guy that is a high usage guy that can look good on a really bad team with high usage. I think if he was able to be a catch and shoot guy first, then being able to also put the ball on the court and attack after the defense closes out, he would look a lot better. That is far more in his skill set.

I dont think he can be exposed anymore than he currently has. I do think a season where he shoots 38%+ from 3 he could really shoot up the draft.

But yes I completely agree, if he goes to the combine and hears he's going to go by late 1st, he most definitely should declare and enter the draft. If youre going to get that 1st round pick take it. But I really wouldnt be shocked if he hears that he isnt a lock to go in the 1st, his year was that bad for him this year. And if that is the case, then transferring to a good team where he can focus on the catch and shoot role, I can see him locking up that 1st round pick.

[hype_2004]

Has Duren grown? He looks absolutely Physically bigger and dominant than others on the floor. I fell in love with Barnes last year and Duren is giving me the same vibe. He reminds me alot of KG/Embiid hybrid, just a nastiness and smoothness on his game that can't be taught.

[Duke4life831]

Mathurin over his last 9 games

19/5/3 on 50/43/81 shooting (64 TS%)

The guy has been tearing it up to end the season.

[SeattleJazzFan]

duren is a high floor guy. at the very least he is going to be an elite rim runner, rebounder and solid defensive player - a capela type seems to be his floor.

[youngWizzy]

Hey y'all. I just wanted to share the NBA Draft Tool website that I created (https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com) if you guys aren't already familiar with it. It's a work in progress but I recently added the 2022 NBA Draft prospects to it and thought it might help!

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[SeattleJazzFan]

Hey y'all. I just wanted to share the NBA Draft Tool website that I created (https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com) if you guys aren't already familiar with it. It's a work in progress but I recently added the 2022 NBA Draft prospects to it and thought it might help!

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that's a fun little tool. well done.

[baldur]

We need to get rid of the damn draft altogether. What other profession requires guys to live in places they don’t want to. It’s hogwash IMO.

What other profession makes millions of dollars in their first year of their careers?

[SelfishPlayer]

We need to get rid of the damn draft altogether. What other profession requires guys to live in places they don’t want to. It’s hogwash IMO.

What other profession makes millions of dollars in their first year of their careers?

Your argument is going to soon be eliminated once these top amateur prospects will no longer be required to basically play for free for so long before becoming professionals.