2023 NBA Draft

[ItsDanger]

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One of the more interesting prospects. Defensively has a long way to go still. If drafted, he must be developed. And then maybe a 15 minute role after one season. I don't think he can step in right away.

Just for reference, Miller was the #2 on On3 , #29 composite on 247's composite, #21 compositive on On3's composite.

Last year pre-draft, media report indicates bad workouts, and unimpressive play in 5v5. Yes, he actually played real scrimmage basketball. Went back to G-League assuming he didn't get the promise/feedback he wanted.

Just shows the effect of one year on a young player's development.

I would have tried to get him to stay in draft, take him 31-40 and then sign him to a 4 year deal. Develop him on your own team. Unless he wanted 1st round guaranteed $, then that wouldn't happen. But I'd be curious to see what goes on behind the scenes in this area of the draft. Are teams not aggressive enough in order to get someone on the cheap?

[The-Power]

Anyone else who would seriously consider drafting Walter Clayton Jr. with an early SRP just to see if the creation and shot-making upside translates?

[BoyzNTheHood]

Anyone else who would seriously consider drafting Walter Clayton Jr. with an early SRP just to see if the creation and shot-making upside translates?

He does a lot of things very well. He should probably be a first rounder, but I don’t see him mocked anywhere.

[clyde21]

Anyone else who would seriously consider drafting Walter Clayton Jr. with an early SRP just to see if the creation and shot-making upside translates?

would have to see how he tests and measures but would be just as good of a second rounder as most, and if not a two-way candidate for sure.

same with the other WCJ.

[Jamaaliver]

Wait, #2 pick is no longer considered a lock for Scoot?!?

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[Hal14]

Enough of the Miller vs scoot debate.

The whitmore vs Ausar debate is where it's at.

[EvanZ]

Whitmore reminds me of Harrison Barnes the more I think about it.


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[WargamesX]

Just did my bracket and I realized Brandon Miller is the best player in college on arguably the best team in college and he might go third in the draft. The G-League ignite has definitely changed things regarding the draft in a short amount of time.

[Braggins]

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One of the more interesting prospects. Defensively has a long way to go still. If drafted, he must be developed. And then maybe a 15 minute role after one season. I don't think he can step in right away.

Just for reference, Miller was the #2 on On3 , #29 composite on 247's composite, #21 compositive on On3's composite.

Last year pre-draft, media report indicates bad workouts, and unimpressive play in 5v5. Yes, he actually played real scrimmage basketball. Went back to G-League assuming he didn't get the promise/feedback he wanted.

Just shows the effect of one year on a young player's development.

He would have been a similar age at the time of the draft last year as GG Jackson will be this year.

[EvanZ]

Anyone else who would seriously consider drafting Walter Clayton Jr. with an early SRP just to see if the creation and shot-making upside translates?

I think even those early second round picks are too valuable to just take a flier on a 6'2" combo guard although I have liked Walter Clayton since his Freshman season. From what I remember he's also an older Sophomore. My guess is he enters the transfer portal.

Having said that I am picking Iona in an upset, so maybe that happens and the draft hype blows up.

[EvanZ]

There are only two posts in this forum on Jaylon Tyson from Texas Tech. He's a 6'6" sophomore who has been pretty productive this season, doesn't seem like a total dud athletically. Curious how he has flown so under the radar, at least mine.

[clyde21]

DWH is the one guy in this class with the highest candidacy of the 'how the **** did this guy drop so low in the draft' award 5 years from now, top 5 based on HS tape alone, no idea what to make of him in college because he's been relegated to being a spot up shooter by Scheyer

i'll continue leaving him unranked for now just because it's so fluid with him until maybe we get more data in the combine, workouts, scrimmages, etc...but it's a shame we haven't been given a chance to properly scout this cat at Duke.

at the very least, he's one the youngest players in the draft who's shooting over 41% from 3 and has now hit 23/26 from the FT line.

[CptCrunch]

Hope Whitehead joins the shooting drills at the combine. His shooting efficiency recently has been insane.

[WargamesX]

I been watching Kris Murray and I can see a playin team taking him, not so much about his game, or even his potential, just because the mindset of playin teams Is is about immediate contribution, and unlike playoff teams they are looking to play their young guys sooner. Who that eventual team is idk, but right now with the Lakers at #13 and ATL at #15, I couldn't imagine both of them passing on him.

[BoyzNTheHood]

DWH is the one guy in this class with the highest candidacy of the 'how the **** did this guy drop so low in the draft' award 5 years from now, top 5 based on HS tape alone, no idea what to make of him in college because he's been relegated to being a spot up shooter by Scheyer

i'll continue leaving him unranked for now just because it's so fluid with him until maybe we get more data in the combine, workouts, scrimmages, etc...but it's a shame we haven't been given a chance to properly scout this cat at Duke.

at the very least, he's one the youngest players in the draft who's shooting over 41% from 3 and has now hit 23/26 from the FT line.

He’s still probably one of my favourite guys. Injury concerns are real, but his skill level is undeniable in my opinion.

[WargamesX]

I take back the positive things I said about Kris Murray

[The-Power]

I take back the positive things I said about Kris Murray

You shouldn't. It is absolutely key to project how players contribute in a limited role in the NBA, especially after the prospects with realistic star-upside are taken. The fact that Kris Murray can absolutely be shut down when defenses try isn't much of a problem. That's because you draft him to be a low usage player who fits into various line-ups and reliably converts what defenses give him. Any team that's considers drafting Kris Murray has multiple players on the team already that are supposed to handle the ball, create advantages, and carry the scoring load. The question is: can Kris Murray add something to that team?

And I'd argue: yes, easily. Look at Keegan Murray. He was a monster in college and offensively dominant and versatile. 42 PTS/100 and 15 REB/100, 30% USG, 38 PER, 0.30 3PAr, 0.34 FTr. Now look at his NBA numbers in comparison: 19 PTS/100 and 7 REB/100, 16% USG, 12 PER, 0.63 3PAr, 0.12 FTr. Completely different player. And yet, he immediately started on a playoff team. Why? Because he makes 40% of his 3s that others create for him (assisted on 97% of made 3s) on fairly high volume (10 3PA/100) and thereby spaces the floor, and he defends reliably with some versatility and ability to hold his own on switches. He's an easy plug-and-play player because he fits well in many different line-ups.

So I really don't care how Kris Murray looks when defenses try to limit him on a team that lacks reliable creators and players that have gravity. Because in the NBA, no defense will sell out to limit him. They'll sell out to limit better offensive players and Kris Murray's role will be to capitalize on that while providing some line-up versatility. So the real question is: can he do that? And I don't see a reason why he can't. He has the size to play the 3/4, he should be a decent defender when he can focus on it, he is an accurate and very willing shooter when there is an opening, and he has enough size and touch around the rim that you can't just get away with putting a small Guard on him as a defensive strategy. That's enough for me to confidently project him as a low-end starter or at least a consistent rotation player in the NBA, and that's a solid outcome for a mid-FRP.

[WargamesX]

I take back the positive things I said about Kris Murray

You shouldn't. It is absolutely key to project how players contribute in a limited role in the NBA, especially after the prospects with realistic star-upside are taken. The fact that Kris Murray can absolutely be shut down when defenses try isn't much of a problem. That's because you draft him to be a low usage player who fits into various line-ups and reliably converts what defenses give him. Any team that's considers drafting Kris Murray has multiple players on the team already that are supposed to handle the ball, create advantages, and carry the scoring load. The question is: can Kris Murray add something to that team?

And I'd argue: yes, easily. Look at Keegan Murray. He was a monster in college and offensively dominant and versatile. 42 PTS/100 and 15 REB/100, 30% USG, 38 PER, 0.30 3PAr, 0.34 FTr. Now look at his NBA numbers in comparison: 19 PTS/100 and 7 REB/100, 16% USG, 12 PER, 0.63 3PAr, 0.12 FTr. Completely different player. And yet, he immediately started on a playoff team. Why? Because he makes 40% of his 3s that others create for him (assisted on 97% of made 3s) on fairly high volume (10 3PA/100) and thereby spaces the floor, and he defends reliably with some versatility and ability to hold his own on switches. He's an easy plug-and-play player because he fits well in many different line-ups.

So I really don't care how Kris Murray looks when defenses try to limit him on a team that lacks reliable creators and players that have gravity. Because in the NBA, no defense will sell out to limit him. They'll sell out to limit better offensive players and Kris Murray's role will be to capitalize on that while providing some line-up versatility. So the real question is: can he do that? And I don't see a reason why he can't. He has the size to play the 3/4, he should be a decent defender when he can focus on it, he is an accurate and very willing shooter when there is an opening, and he has enough size and touch around the rim that you can't just get away with putting a small Guard on him as a defensive strategy. That's enough for me to confidently project him as a low-end starter or at least a consistent rotation player in the NBA, and that's a solid outcome for a mid-FRP.

You're right. It was more of a joke on how badly he played in the tournament. If it didn't affect Franz Wagner it probably wont affect Kris.

[Hal14]

I take back the positive things I said about Kris Murray

You shouldn't. It is absolutely key to project how players contribute in a limited role in the NBA, especially after the prospects with realistic star-upside are taken. The fact that Kris Murray can absolutely be shut down when defenses try isn't much of a problem. That's because you draft him to be a low usage player who fits into various line-ups and reliably converts what defenses give him. Any team that's considers drafting Kris Murray has multiple players on the team already that are supposed to handle the ball, create advantages, and carry the scoring load. The question is: can Kris Murray add something to that team?

And I'd argue: yes, easily. Look at Keegan Murray. He was a monster in college and offensively dominant and versatile. 42 PTS/100 and 15 REB/100, 30% USG, 38 PER, 0.30 3PAr, 0.34 FTr. Now look at his NBA numbers in comparison: 19 PTS/100 and 7 REB/100, 16% USG, 12 PER, 0.63 3PAr, 0.12 FTr. Completely different player. And yet, he immediately started on a playoff team. Why? Because he makes 40% of his 3s that others create for him (assisted on 97% of made 3s) on fairly high volume (10 3PA/100) and thereby spaces the floor, and he defends reliably with some versatility and ability to hold his own on switches. He's an easy plug-and-play player because he fits well in many different line-ups.

So I really don't care how Kris Murray looks when defenses try to limit him on a team that lacks reliable creators and players that have gravity. Because in the NBA, no defense will sell out to limit him. They'll sell out to limit better offensive players and Kris Murray's role will be to capitalize on that while providing some line-up versatility. So the real question is: can he do that? And I don't see a reason why he can't. He has the size to play the 3/4, he should be a decent defender when he can focus on it, he is an accurate and very willing shooter when there is an opening, and he has enough size and touch around the rim that you can't just get away with putting a small Guard on him as a defensive strategy. That's enough for me to confidently project him as a low-end starter or at least a consistent rotation player in the NBA, and that's a solid outcome for a mid-FRP.

Good points.

Do you have Kris' numbers in terms of catch and shoot 3 and % of his 2 pt shots and 3 pt shots that were assisted?

[Zukkoyaki]

Really liking D'Moi Hodge from Missouri as a second-round sleeper. Excellent three point shooter, super quick release, averaging around 23-24 ppg in post season play, and became the school's single season steals leader this year.