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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1721 » by TheSuzerain » Mon Dec 23, 2024 7:11 pm

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TheSuzerain wrote:He is starting on the #2 seed in the West.

And people keep calling him a bench big.


Probably because he is 9th in mpg for the Grizzlies? So he is a fake starter at this point.

Also here are the starts among Memphis bigs this year.
JJJ 20
Clarke 17
Aldama 11
Edey 11

Memphis is running a platoon and really only has 3 core dudes (Ja, Bane, JJJ). Even they have kind of crazy low minutes per game (at least compared to other 'stars').

But Edey has started in 65% of the games he's played in. For one of the best teams in the West. This is a strong start to a rookie's career.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1722 » by The Moose » Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:02 pm

jasonxxx102 wrote:I'm convinced that a handful of people in this thread don't watch Edey at all. They convinced themselves he was going to be some dominant NBA big man and now they just stick their head in the sand no matter happens. What a random measurement "rookies who averaged 11/7" like that means anything at all....

There is nothing special about Zach Edey. He's an end of the bench big who you can put in for maybe 20mpg to get some easy buckets and then sit him back on the bench when the minutes actually matter


It’s not a random measurement, it’s a response to the claim that ‘11 and 7 is usually the 10th best line in a rookie class’. Not a single rookie who has finished with at least 11 and 7 has finished outside the edit: top 5-7 in the ROTY race in the last 15 seasons.



JMAC3 wrote:8 Rookies last year averaged 12 ppg.
8 Rookies averaged 11 ppg 2 years ago.
9 Rookies averaged 11 ppg 3 years ago.
9 Rookies averaged 11ppg 4 years ago.

Usually, 3-4 are averaging 16-21 ppg.

11 ppg is nowhere close to being in the ROY race, but it is this year because this class sucks as predicted. The best chance for this class to not suck is the 19/20 yr old guys taking massive leaps. Not sitting here trying to say wow Edey and Knecht are great rookies putting up 11 ppg as 22yrs+

3 years from now I think Edey will be a backup center and probably considered in the 12th- 15th best player from this class.


You didn’t answer my question, which was a direct one, where do you think Edey will rank in EPM/VORP in 3 years? For the record, I think it will be top 5 in both.

“Considered x-xyz best player” is mostly a useless subjective way of measuring, Edey could be 1st in both metrics and you’d still have people making reductive arguments about how some mid-average wing is actually better or some other big is way better because of muh switchability
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1723 » by jasonxxx102 » Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:04 pm

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jasonxxx102 wrote:I'm convinced that a handful of people in this thread don't watch Edey at all. They convinced themselves he was going to be some dominant NBA big man and now they just stick their head in the sand no matter happens. What a random measurement "rookies who averaged 11/7" like that means anything at all....

There is nothing special about Zach Edey. He's an end of the bench big who you can put in for maybe 20mpg to get some easy buckets and then sit him back on the bench when the minutes actually matter


It’s not a random measurement, it’s a response to the claim that ‘11 and 7 is usually the 10th best line in a rookie class’. Not a single rookie who has finished with at least 11 and 7 has finished outside the top 5 in the ROTY race in the last 15 seasons.



JMAC3 wrote:8 Rookies last year averaged 12 ppg.
8 Rookies averaged 11 ppg 2 years ago.
9 Rookies averaged 11 ppg 3 years ago.
9 Rookies averaged 11ppg 4 years ago.

Usually, 3-4 are averaging 16-21 ppg.

11 ppg is nowhere close to being in the ROY race, but it is this year because this class sucks as predicted. The best chance for this class to not suck is the 19/20 yr old guys taking massive leaps. Not sitting here trying to say wow Edey and Knecht are great rookies putting up 11 ppg as 22yrs+

3 years from now I think Edey will be a backup center and probably considered in the 12th- 15th best player from this class.


You didn’t answer my question, which was a direct one, where do you think Edey will rank in EPM/VORP in 3 years? For the record, I think it will be top 5 in both.

“Considered x-xyz best player” is mostly a useless subjective way of measuring, Edey could be 1st in both metrics and you’d still have people making reductive arguments about how some mid-average wing is actually better or some other big is way better because of muh switchability


In 3 years? Out of this draft class?

Probably top 10 because it's so bad but he's a barely above replacement level player in the NBA. So go ahead and celebrate these 11/7 games in 20 minutes because that's all he's ever going to do
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1724 » by GoBobs » Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:10 pm

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His minutes could be perceived as a negative until you realize that Taylor Jenkins is playing a platoon of guys to keep his stars healthy. 12 guys are averaging 15mpg, with the highest being Bane at 28.1mpg. This argument is not in good faith.


I mean last night they played him 27 mins, he had 10 pts, 6 boards. Which is fine but doesn't do anything for me personally. The 19 and 20 year olds drafted around him will take bigger jumps in progress this summer and Edey will look even more mid.

11 ppg and 7 rpg is decent backup center numbers in the league.


I see Edey's age is a big thing for you, 3 years from now where do you think he will rank in EPM/VORP in this class? He will most likely be 1st in both at the conclusion of this season

Also just as a note for the bolded, I don't think that is an accurate take if you go through the data, the vast majority of rookies who averaged 11+ and 7+ finished in the top 3-5 of the ROTY race
This is the list since 2010
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Looks like Edey has the lowest minutes played and fg atempts per game of anyone on that list. 11 ppg is pretty good if you only take 7 shots, thus his elite true shooting percentage. Not to mention he is shooting the three like he is the thrid splash brother.

Also how did RaiQuan Gray get on the list, lol.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1725 » by JMAC3 » Tue Dec 24, 2024 3:54 pm

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GoBobs wrote:All the people who said Edey would bust were totally wrong, and it was because they did not watch him play.

They preteneded to know something they didn't.


You also said he was the next Shaq lol.


Show us the Shaq comparison in numbers... haha.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1726 » by JMAC3 » Tue Dec 24, 2024 3:56 pm

FrodoBaggins wrote:Assuming no serious injuries or health concerns, he's going to have a long career in the NBA.


"Have a long career in the NBA" seems pretty toned down from you screaming he should go #1 all last year.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1727 » by bravor » Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:30 pm

The real test will be in play offs anyway. Esp. because he will be a target for opponent's offense obviously. Obviously as well, Memphis's staff will have prepared something depending on the situation. Curious to see the outcome, even though i remain highly dubious about his real impact (stats are meaningless here, even a guy like Drummond was producing huge individual stats, for the impact everyone knows, and that's just one example), at least defensively.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1728 » by jasonxxx102 » Tue Dec 24, 2024 6:51 pm

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FrodoBaggins wrote:Assuming no serious injuries or health concerns, he's going to have a long career in the NBA.


"Have a long career in the NBA" seems pretty toned down from you screaming he should go #1 all last year.


They're already hedging their bets lol
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1729 » by MemphisX » Wed Dec 25, 2024 2:13 am

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FrodoBaggins wrote:Assuming no serious injuries or health concerns, he's going to have a long career in the NBA.


"Have a long career in the NBA" seems pretty toned down from you screaming he should go #1 all last year.



In this draft, he probably should have gone #1.
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Post#1730 » by MemphisX » Fri Dec 27, 2024 2:17 am

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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1731 » by GoBobs » Fri Dec 27, 2024 2:19 am

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JMAC3 wrote:
GoBobs wrote:All the people who said Edey would bust were totally wrong, and it was because they did not watch him play.

They preteneded to know something they didn't.


You also said he was the next Shaq lol.


Show us the Shaq comparison in numbers... haha.


Quote me on what I said or keep my name out your **** mouth!

You said Edey would go number 50 and now you are grasping at straws and the worst thing you can say is he isn't shaq!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You are a troll who needs to raise the bar because you are not enough of an adult to admit when you are worng
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1732 » by GoBobs » Fri Dec 27, 2024 3:28 am

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JMAC3 wrote:
GoBobs wrote:All the people who said Edey would bust were totally wrong, and it was because they did not watch him play.

They preteneded to know something they didn't.


You also said he was the next Shaq lol.


Show us the Shaq comparison in numbers... haha.


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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1733 » by FrodoBaggins » Fri Dec 27, 2024 3:46 am

Maybe his second-best game tonight. 21 points, 16 rebounds (9 offensive), 2 assists, and 2 blocks. 9-15 FG, 1-5 3PT, 2-5 FT. All in 27 minutes and a team-high +29.

That's now 14 positive +/- games in a row. Memphis has gone 9-5 in those games, so they haven't won them all. Memphis is +215 over these 14 games, including +160 during Edey's 329 minutes and just +55 in 344 minutes without him. He's been a +/- outlier even in the games they've lost.

He gives you about 20-25 minutes a game of Boban-esque scoring, Steven Adams-esque offensive rebounding, and positive defense.

The best part is there's so much room for improvement. His post-up game has been rough. But he's so big he's just a monster in the dunker's spot finishing plays and crashing the offensive boards.

I don't want to get ahead of myself but I think he's got borderline All-Star potential/ceiling with continued development and the right team/role circumstance. Assuming no serious injuries, he looks like an Adams/Zubac/Valancuinas, 10+ year NBA center. A valuable starter/backup/rotation guy for a long time.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1734 » by The Moose » Fri Dec 27, 2024 4:00 am

FrodoBaggins wrote:Maybe his second-best game tonight. 21 points, 16 rebounds (9 offensive), 2 assists, and 2 blocks. 9-15 FG, 1-5 3PT, 2-5 FT. All in 27 minutes and a team-high +29.

That's now 14 positive +/- games in a row. Memphis has gone 9-5 in those games, so they haven't won them all. Memphis is +215 over these 14 games, including +160 during Edey's 329 minutes and just +55 in 344 minutes without him. He's been a +/- outlier even in the games they've lost.

He gives you about 20-25 minutes a game of Boban-esque scoring, Steven Adams-esque offensive rebounding, and positive defense.

The best part is there's so much room for improvement. His post-up game has been rough. But he's so big he's just a monster in the dunker's spot finishing plays and crashing the offensive boards.

I don't want to get ahead of myself but I think he's got borderline All-Star potential/ceiling with continued development and the right team/role circumstance. Assuming no serious injuries, he looks like an Adams/Zubac/Valancuinas, 10+ year NBA center. A valuable starter/backup/rotation guy for a long time.


Will be 15+ VORP for his career like I said predraft

He’s only been playing organized basketball for 6 years so the attempts to try to place him on the development arc of a typical 22 year old draft pick are off base IMO.
I expect improvement across all facets of his game
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1736 » by JMAC3 » Fri Dec 27, 2024 4:04 pm

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JMAC3 wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
You also said he was the next Shaq lol.


Show us the Shaq comparison in numbers... haha.


Quote me on what I said or keep my name out your **** mouth!

You said Edey would go number 50 and now you are grasping at straws and the worst thing you can say is he isn't shaq!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You are a troll who needs to raise the bar because you are not enough of an adult to admit when you are worng


I said you compared him to Shaq multiple times... how is that a troll?
Are you denying you said that?
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1737 » by TheSuzerain » Fri Dec 27, 2024 4:10 pm

Fanduel had Edey at +1700 for ROY 10 days ago. I was stunned.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1738 » by JMAC3 » Fri Dec 27, 2024 4:16 pm

FrodoBaggins wrote:I don't want to get ahead of myself but I think he's got borderline All-Star potential/ceiling with continued development and the right team/role circumstance. Assuming no serious injuries, he looks like an Adams/Zubac/Valancuinas, 10+ year NBA center. A valuable starter/backup/rotation guy for a long time.


This paragraph is all over the place, call him a borderline allstar. Then compare him to 3 guys who have never been an allstar, then finish by saying he might be a backup or rotation player for a long time.

You covered all your bases here, no matter what he does this paragraph nailed it haha.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1739 » by JRoy » Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:16 pm

Very promising start for Edey.

Will be watching his career with interest.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#1740 » by The Moose » Fri Dec 27, 2024 11:35 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Fanduel had Edey at +1700 for ROY 10 days ago. I was stunned.


only concern for winning ROTY is that he can only miss 5 more games for the rest of the season to qualify
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