Zach Edey, 7-4

FrodoBaggins · Post #1741 » by **FrodoBaggins** » Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:40 am

Some more stuff:

Cleaning the Glass (excludes garbage time minutes)

- +14.3 on-court net rating (97th percentile)
- +5.1 on-off net rating (75th percentile)

OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING

- 39.6% on-court ORB% (100th percentile)
- +10.0% on-off ORB% (99th percentile)

DEFENSE

- 104.3 on-court DRtg (96th percentile)
- -4.9 on-off DRtg (79th percentile)

FrodoBaggins · Post #1742 » by **FrodoBaggins** » Sat Dec 28, 2024 4:39 am

Another great game tonight. 14 points, 9 rebounds (3 offensive), 2 assists, 1 steal, and 2 blocks on 5-6 FG, 0-1 3PT, 4-5 FT. Only one turnover, 27 minutes played, and +5.

Wasn't going to update but Edey has tied Marc Gasol and Tayshaun Prince for a Memphis record: 15 straight positive +/- games in a row.

https://stathead.com/tiny/6IxLA

Pretty incredible stuff considering Memphis is 10-5 W/L over those games. For comparison, Gasol and Prince's 15-game streak was during a 14-1 W/L period.

The Moose · Post #1743 » by **The Moose** » Sat Dec 28, 2024 10:06 am

FrodoBaggins wrote:Some more stuff:

Cleaning the Glass (excludes garbage time minutes)

- +14.3 on-court net rating (97th percentile)
- +5.1 on-off net rating (75th percentile)

OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING

- 39.6% on-court ORB% (100th percentile)
- +10.0% on-off ORB% (99th percentile)

DEFENSE

- 104.3 on-court DRtg (96th percentile)
- -4.9 on-off DRtg (79th percentile)

The JJJ/Edey frontcourt has been pretty incredible so far, literally 100th percentile NRTG

FrodoBaggins · Post #1744 » by **FrodoBaggins** » Sat Dec 28, 2024 10:59 am

The Moose wrote:
FrodoBaggins wrote:Some more stuff:

Cleaning the Glass (excludes garbage time minutes)

- +14.3 on-court net rating (97th percentile)
- +5.1 on-off net rating (75th percentile)

OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING

- 39.6% on-court ORB% (100th percentile)
- +10.0% on-off ORB% (99th percentile)

DEFENSE

- 104.3 on-court DRtg (96th percentile)
- -4.9 on-off DRtg (79th percentile)

The JJJ/Edey frontcourt has been pretty incredible so far, literally 100th percentile NRTG

Amazing how well it's gone. I mean, the concept was sound: JJJ/Adams-esque with more upside. I just didn't expect it to be this good this early on.

The-Power · Post #1745 » by **The-Power** » Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:36 pm

His OREB impact has been ridiculous. Far and away the best offensive rebounding team with him on the court, and around league average without him.

Hoopz Afrik · Post #1746 » by **Hoopz Afrik** » Sat Dec 28, 2024 5:34 pm

A lot of people have been loud and wrong about Zach Edey every step of the way yet keep doubling down on their bad takes.

Jstock12 · Post #1747 » by **Jstock12** » Sat Dec 28, 2024 8:48 pm

I have to admit I'm eating some crow now as far as Edey is concerned. I thought he'd have a Marjanovic type of role in the NBA. But so far he's looking closer to Yao Ming.

Big J · Post #1748 » by **Big J** » Sat Dec 28, 2024 10:59 pm

Nothing he does matters until the playoffs. Guys like him can put up big scoring nights during meaningless regular season games because the other team doesn't care about playing them off the court. Been saying this all along.

ItsDanger · Post #1749 » by **ItsDanger** » Sat Dec 28, 2024 11:37 pm

Big J wrote:He'll get run outta the gym in today's NBA. Get him a job washing office building windows or something.

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MemphisX · Post #1750 » by **MemphisX** » Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:11 am

Big J wrote:Nothing he does matters until the playoffs. Guys like him can put up big scoring nights during meaningless regular season games because the other team doesn't care about playing them off the court. Been saying this all along.

Is every young player held to this standard or just Edey?

Big J · Post #1751 » by **Big J** » Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:16 am

MemphisX wrote:
Big J wrote:Nothing he does matters until the playoffs. Guys like him can put up big scoring nights during meaningless regular season games because the other team doesn't care about playing them off the court. Been saying this all along.

Is every young player held to this standard or just Edey?

Bigs who can’t defend in space. It’s a problem that will never disappear. Unless he turns into Joker on offense it’s always gonna be an issue.

QingJames · Post #1752 » by **QingJames** » Sun Dec 29, 2024 5:45 pm

He feasts on teams without Cs or with terrible Cs and struggles against good big men in the league. His post defense is pretty good. His defense in space seems about as bad as most people expected. At this stage I think it’s pretty clear he’s going to have a solid NBA career as a situational backup big and per-minute offensive monster who can and will get played off the floor against certain lineups.

Clearly not a bust but I’m not seeing All Star in him.

Post #1753 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:20 am

There is a ton of value in guys who can win you a ton of regular season games but are more limited in the playoffs. Which is not a given here at all.

That said, it’s hilarious watching people double down on their hilariously bad takes. Look at the Alex Sarr glazing he does, when Sarr is years away from being as impactful as Edey is now, if he ever gets there. Assuming Edey never improves past his first 30 games or whatever lol

JMAC3 · Post #1754 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Dec 30, 2024 5:00 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:There is a ton of value in guys who can win you a ton of regular season games but are more limited in the playoffs. Which is not a given here at all.

That said, it’s hilarious watching people double down on their hilariously bad takes. Look at the Alex Sarr glazing he does, when Sarr is years away from being as impactful as Edey is now, if he ever gets there. Assuming Edey never improves past his first 30 games or whatever lol

To be fair, I think you could put a lot of centers in the Edey rotation place and Memphis would still be winning a lot of regular season games. Hard to really give him a lot of credit when he is 8th in mins, 6th in ppg on the team and they were winning for multiple years before he got there (aside from the fluke of last year).

The Moose · Post #1755 » by **The Moose** » Mon Dec 30, 2024 6:16 am

the level of goal post shifting in just the last 10 pages of this thread is quite funny

Bloodbather · Post #1756 » by **Bloodbather** » Mon Dec 30, 2024 10:18 am

Big J wrote:
MemphisX wrote:
Big J wrote:Nothing he does matters until the playoffs. Guys like him can put up big scoring nights during meaningless regular season games because the other team doesn't care about playing them off the court. Been saying this all along.

Is every young player held to this standard or just Edey?

Bigs who can’t defend in space. It’s a problem that will never disappear. Unless he turns into Joker on offense it’s always gonna be an issue.

Just take the L and stop further embarrassing yourself. You argued he wasn't an NBA player.

The-Power · Post #1757 » by **The-Power** » Mon Dec 30, 2024 12:26 pm

JMAC3 wrote:To be fair, I think you could put a lot of centers in the Edey rotation place and Memphis would still be winning a lot of regular season games.

Has anyone ever argued that Edey is a primary reason why the Grizzlies are so good? I doubt it. He is a positive factor, though, and that is more than we can say about most first round picks in their first season.

JMAC3 · Post #1758 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Dec 30, 2024 3:18 pm

The-Power wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:To be fair, I think you could put a lot of centers in the Edey rotation place and Memphis would still be winning a lot of regular season games.

Has anyone ever argued that Edey is a primary reason why the Grizzlies are so good? I doubt it. He is a positive factor, though, and that is more than we can say about most first round picks in their first season.

Well most first round picks are being slammed into negative situations on losing teams.

Are we going to pretend that Missi and Clingan wouldn't look significantly better if they weren't playing for dumpster squads this year?

Ajay Mitchell is an analytics darling so far, I doubt that is the case if you swap him and Bub Carrington. Mitchell would probably be blending into the hot mess on Washington.

Not saying that there is a perfect science to any of this, but you also have to be able to see through some of the noise.

MemphisX · Post #1759 » by **MemphisX** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 5:27 pm

Grizzlies are just better when Edey is on the floor and he is nowhere close to being polished at all.

The-Power · Post #1760 » by **The-Power** » Wed Jan 1, 2025 10:04 am

JMAC3 wrote:
The-Power wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:To be fair, I think you could put a lot of centers in the Edey rotation place and Memphis would still be winning a lot of regular season games.

Has anyone ever argued that Edey is a primary reason why the Grizzlies are so good? I doubt it. He is a positive factor, though, and that is more than we can say about most first round picks in their first season.

Well most first round picks are being slammed into negative situations on losing teams.

Are we going to pretend that Missi and Clingan wouldn't look significantly better if they weren't playing for dumpster squads this year?

It's more difficult for Rookies to impact the game positively on a good team than it is to show flashes on bad ones. Missi and Clingan likely wouldn't play much for the Grizzlies because the team wants to contend. You make it sound as if Edey is just lucky being gifted minutes on a good team when in fact he earned those minutes because he is simply better than your average Rookie. Him playing well for the Grizzlies strengthens his case instead of weakening it as you seem to erroneously believe (or at least argue).