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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1781 » by BoardCrusher » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:54 pm

reanimator wrote:
BoardCrusher wrote:This just shows you dont actually watch any his games and only go by his highlights, I dont need to make a video for you to prove you wrong, it seems like you really have an agenda here since youre trying so hard in every thread about doncic



:lol:

I've watched multiple games but are you claiming the highlights just fail to capture Doncic using his strength to bully defenders to the rim and then absorbing contact to finish?





just from the top of my head ill tell you he bullied 216cm Omic and finished while absorbing contact in one play
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1782 » by J_T » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:56 pm

BoardCrusher wrote:
reanimator wrote:
BoardCrusher wrote:This just shows you dont actually watch any his games and only go by his highlights, I dont need to make a video for you to prove you wrong, it seems like you really have an agenda here since youre trying so hard in every thread about doncic



:lol:

I've watched multiple games but are you claiming the highlights just fail to capture Doncic using his strength to bully defenders to the rim and then absorbing contact to finish?





just from the top of my head ill tell you he bullied 216cm Omic and finished while absorbing contact in one play

This Omic guy, is he a high school player? Because if he isn't, it doesn't count.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1783 » by Nikson » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:56 pm

pacersGM wrote:The next season cant come fast enough for me! Im exited as we slovenians are getting another good nba player, but also exited to open some of your eyes as far as we wont be having discussion of doncic/hArden co mvp after a few years :) why it cant be possible? i cant teach you the feel for ball, so sorry i wont even try :)

Just step closer. ;)
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1784 » by BoardCrusher » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:57 pm

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No BRO, i dont understand . Since everything i said in my first post is true. so the issues with me are al yours to handle, i dont have any with you, since you are a clear non factor judging by yoyr non existing facts and "knowledge and playing experience and so on" get it BRO?



"shure" bro, whatever floats your boat, need a pat on the back with that?
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1785 » by reanimator » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:02 pm

J_T wrote:
BoardCrusher wrote:
reanimator wrote:
:lol:

I've watched multiple games but are you claiming the highlights just fail to capture Doncic using his strength to bully defenders to the rim and then absorbing contact to finish?





just from the top of my head ill tell you he bullied 216cm Omic and finished while absorbing contact in one play

This Omic guy, is he a high school player? Because if he isn't, it doesn't count.


Harden bullied HS defenders, college defenders and now NBA defenders.

Show me footage of Doncic bullying Omic.

I get the grown man stuff when talking about Doncic but we aren't about to pretend most Euroleague perimeter players aren't slight of build and are somehow Olympian weight lifters :lol:
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1786 » by pacersGM » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:02 pm

BoardCrusher wrote:
pacersGM wrote:
No BRO, i dont understand . Since everything i said in my first post is true. so the issues with me are al yours to handle, i dont have any with you, since you are a clear non factor judging by yoyr non existing facts and "knowledge and playing experience and so on" get it BRO?



"shure" bro, whatever floats your boat, need a pat on the back with that?


Shure BRO. From an experienced objective factual ex player always. I must have hit a nerve once i said i know stuff about ball, that was probably like you was looking in the mirror, cause you remember my first post. Just saying BRO
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1787 » by BoardCrusher » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:06 pm

pacersGM wrote:
BoardCrusher wrote:
pacersGM wrote:
No BRO, i dont understand . Since everything i said in my first post is true. so the issues with me are al yours to handle, i dont have any with you, since you are a clear non factor judging by yoyr non existing facts and "knowledge and playing experience and so on" get it BRO?



"shure" bro, whatever floats your boat, need a pat on the back with that?


Shure BRO. From an experienced objective factual ex player always. I must have hit a nerve once i said i know stuff about ball, that was probably like you was looking in the mirror, cause you remember my first post. Just saying BRO


nope its just I have a very good memory, and dont worry you didnt hit any nerve, I could care less about it, its just you portrayed a clear image of yourself right on your first post, and I find it hilarious :lol:

im done debating you, feels like weve derailed this thread too much already
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1788 » by pacersGM » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:14 pm

BoardCrusher wrote:im done debating you, feels like weve derailed this thread too much already


convo over
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1789 » by kemp_40 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:19 pm

Hi everyone.

I've been lurking on this thread for a year now and must say it's been enjoyable read most of the time, even including the flamewars about his height and Spanoulis. Anyways, I'll try to contribute to the discussion by highlighting a few annoying things that have been popping up constantly over the time.

1. Expression "euroleagues". It's extremely vague. It can mean The Euroleague or an amateur league in some Romanian province. I am aware that it is confusing with all the generic names such as Euroleague, Eurocup and Champions League, but please remember this: Euroleague is in Europe what NBA is in the states. All the best clubs from Europe play in it. Only major difference is that all of them also simultaneously play in their domestic leagues.

2. Not being clear weather you are talking about his current abilities or his potential. Like in post "Harden is a better athlete in terms of strength, verticality, body control and change of direction. Also has a better handle."

3. Estimating his potential with a single term like "bust" or "perennial all star". A more articulated alternative could be to estimate his potential with a distribution, like:
- 8% Rotation player, 40% Starter, 34% All star, 18% True hall of famer.
Or maybe using NBA2K score and a timeframe:
- 84 current, 89 in 5 years, 91 in 10 years.

4. When talking about him as a potential Hall of famer and not specifiying if you expect him to be a "Sabonis/Petrović" type of HOF or a "True" one.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1790 » by J_T » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:25 am

kemp_40 wrote:4. When talking about him as a potential Hall of famer and not specifiying if you expect him to be a "Sabonis/Petrović" type of HOF or a "True" one.

What do you mean by "true"?
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1791 » by Johnny Firpo » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:49 am

J_T wrote:
kemp_40 wrote:4. When talking about him as a potential Hall of famer and not specifiying if you expect him to be a "Sabonis/Petrović" type of HOF or a "True" one.

What do you mean by "true"?

Bad wording, but obviously he is talking about someone like Dirk or Pau, who would get in by their NBA careers alone.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1792 » by tria » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:25 am

EuroLeague History, efficiency, first 4 games

135- Tomasevic (Buducnost, 2000)
129- Doncic (Real Madrid, 2017)
125- Fuc*k*a (Fortitudo, 2001)

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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1793 » by Juree93 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:51 am

J_T wrote:
kemp_40 wrote:4. When talking about him as a potential Hall of famer and not specifiying if you expect him to be a "Sabonis/Petrović" type of HOF or a "True" one.

What do you mean by "true"?


Fiba HOF vs NBA HOF
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1794 » by J_T » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:25 am

Juree93 wrote:
J_T wrote:
kemp_40 wrote:4. When talking about him as a potential Hall of famer and not specifiying if you expect him to be a "Sabonis/Petrović" type of HOF or a "True" one.

What do you mean by "true"?


Fiba HOF vs NBA HOF

There is no NBA Hall of Fame. So called NBA Hall of Fame inducted Nikos Galis this year. I guarantee you that at least 75% of NBA fans don't know that and they will keep dissing induction of Sabonis and Petrovic, both players that belong in the "if not them, then who" category. :) FIBA Hall of Fame exists only since 2007 and is another attempt of one of the crappiest sport federations to show the world that they still exist, even though two strongest leagues in the world, NBA and Euroleague are not under their control. I sure hope that one day we will see Eurobasket and World Champs also run by a different organization. One can only dream. Anyway, rant over.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1795 » by nolang1 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:01 pm

J_T wrote:
Juree93 wrote:
J_T wrote:What do you mean by "true"?


Fiba HOF vs NBA HOF

There is no NBA Hall of Fame. So called NBA Hall of Fame inducted Nikos Galis this year.


Yeah that's kind of the point. A player like Michael Redd has no shot at the Hall of Fame, but a European player with his exact same NBA career who once led his team to a bronze medal in Eurobasket or something would be a shoo-in. Big difference between that sort of NBA career and one like Dirk's.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1796 » by kayath » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:22 pm

Real Madrid is playing again in one hour against San Pablo, I'm stuck working if anyone is kind enough to send me mobile stream I would appreciate it.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1797 » by 916fan » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:40 pm

burek3 wrote:But if I understand correctly, when you are drafted, you are "doomed" to that team for 8 years? Yikes.

Not really. 1st round picks are given a 4-year contract. Depending on high you drafted, you get more money. Doncic would make more money on his rookie scale than over there..unless a team decides to pay him $8,000,000+ for the next 4 years. No clue how taxes work in Europe, but they are not nearly as much in the US.

So after the 4 year deal, the player is offered a "qualifying offer" which makes them a restricted free agent, meaning the team retains their rights to match any contract offered to the player from a different team. He becomes a free agent and anyone is open to sign him, but the drafted team has his rights. If the player decides he doesn't want to play for the team anymore, he can ask the team to let him go. If this happens, the opposing team trying to get the player will need to give the drafted team an incentive to NOT match the offer and keep the player(usually a role player, 2nd round pick, or sometimes a starting player).

HOWEVER, all of this free agency can be avoided IF he signs that qualifying offer($3-5million). The qualify offer is a 1 year deal which he signs with the team that drafted him. After 1 year, he becomes an unrestricted free agent and is free to sign with whatever team he likes.

So in reality, they only control a player's rights for up to 5 years. Players usually don't take the qualifying offer because they're satisfied with their team AND they're risking an injury or down year which will impact their new contract signing. ALSO, the team that drafts him can offer a secured maximum 5-year deal, whereas any other team can only offer him 4 years.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1798 » by BoardCrusher » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:56 pm

Burgos causing a lot of troubles for Real atm, you can see even these smaller teams prepare for Real like theres no tomorow.
Mirotic should watch this so he wont be explaining again how they dont defend Doncic, he was getting double teamed at the half court line, despite that he got 11pts in 17 minutes played in first half, 5/6 2fg, 0/3 3fg
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1799 » by kayath » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:07 pm

Game is pretty exciting because the other team is playing really hard everyone wants to beat Real Madrid and looks like they can even lose.
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Re: All Things Luka Doncic 

Post#1800 » by narcolepsy » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:17 pm

Is there a reason why he's benched whole 3rd quarter? I havent watched first half.

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