Zach Edey, 7-4

[JMAC3]

i'm confused, is anyone in the Reed thread claiming he's playing great? you're in the Zach Edey thread asking for crow about Sheppard, yet the guy *you* had #1 overall is playing even worse by several metrics, including BPM, WS/48, VORP.

Maybe I am wired differently, but which of these situations seems like a bigger eat crow spot?

Since 2016, here are the averages for 3rd and 9th picks.

3rd pick- 29 mpg, 14.5 ppg
Reed- 11.9 mpg, 3.4 ppg

9th pick- 24.3 mpg, 9.8 ppg.
Edey - 22 mpg, 11.3 ppg.

Reed is significantly underperforming his draft slot by -18 mpg, -11 ppg.
Edey is slightly overperforming his draft slot + 1.5 ppg.

Which one seems like the outlier that should be getting talked about? To me it is not close.

[clyde21]

i'm confused, is anyone in the Reed thread claiming he's playing great? you're in the Zach Edey thread asking for crow about Sheppard, yet the guy *you* had #1 overall is playing even worse by several metrics, including BPM, WS/48, VORP.

Maybe I am wired differently, but which of these situations seems like a bigger eat crow spot?

Since 2016, here are the averages for 3rd and 9th picks.

3rd pick- 29 mpg, 14.5 ppg
Reed- 11.9 mpg, 3.4 ppg

9th pick- 24.3 mpg, 9.8 ppg.
Edey - 22 mpg, 11.3 ppg.

Reed is significantly underperforming his draft slot by -18 mpg, -11 ppg.
Edey is slightly overperforming his draft slot + 1.5 ppg.

Which one seems like the outlier that should be getting talked about? To me it is not close.

i don't think anything is crow-worthy 40 games into their careers but if you want to play that game I'd say Holland #1 overall is the most crow-worthy out of the 3.

you seem to exist on this board just to play the crow game tho, kinda weird.

[JMAC3]

i'm confused, is anyone in the Reed thread claiming he's playing great? you're in the Zach Edey thread asking for crow about Sheppard, yet the guy *you* had #1 overall is playing even worse by several metrics, including BPM, WS/48, VORP.

Maybe I am wired differently, but which of these situations seems like a bigger eat crow spot?

Since 2016, here are the averages for 3rd and 9th picks.

3rd pick- 29 mpg, 14.5 ppg
Reed- 11.9 mpg, 3.4 ppg

9th pick- 24.3 mpg, 9.8 ppg.
Edey - 22 mpg, 11.3 ppg.

Reed is significantly underperforming his draft slot by -18 mpg, -11 ppg.
Edey is slightly overperforming his draft slot + 1.5 ppg.

Which one seems like the outlier that should be getting talked about? To me it is not close.

i don't think anything is crow-worthy 40 games into their careers but if you want to play that game I'd say Holland #1 overall is the most crow-worthy out of the 3.

you seem to exist on this board just to play the crow game tho, kinda weird.

Because I made one post about Reed Sheppard in the last few days? Brother again have you read the thread? The last 5 pages are people calling for Crow to be eaten on Edey being good... but yes please hyper fixate on me when regarding this topic lololol.

Plus you are trying to make this convo about Holland when I never mentioned him, which is weird in itself lol

[NO-KG-AI]

The draft board, considering it is about evaluating the most raw and evolving guys, should be the most open to changes of opinion, shifting of evaluations, and open mindedness, but people really don’t wanna discuss prospects and stuff, they wanna be right and dunk on people. There is a wealth of info on this board, but a wealth of fragile egos lmao

I will have no issue admitting I was wrong on him, if that is the case. However, way too early to crown him as some awesome pick based on the numbers. He has 2 games out of 20 that he looks like he could be special which have been vs the Nets and Raptors, outside of that he has looked like the standard issue big center that can give you 10/10 per night when given minutes.

The advanced stats are nice, but hard to know what is noise when he is playing on the 2nd best team in the West. They have the 5th best net rating in basketball, basically everyone of their rotation players is massively positive in the advanced stats so he isn't any sort of outlier, same goes for EPM.

For instance, Jared McCain. I am already admitting I was too low on him, but he already had 8 20+ point games in his first 20 games and isn't already 22 years old.

He’s a solid starter already, and can absolutely hammer certain matchups. That’s a huge win for a guy that was so polarizing and someone that might be played off the floor to the point where he can’t really contribute.

I was a believer in his size/athleticism combo, but I could still see a path to him totally busting for sure in today’s league. He’d have to decline a lot to not be a solid pick now.

[Jstock12]

Yeah you're not gonna look at this and tell me he's just another Marjanovic. For a 7'4 300lbs+ he moves and anticipates exceptionally well.

Read on Twitter

[JMAC3]

Yeah you're not gonna look at this and tell me he's just another Marjanovic. For a 7'4 300lbs+ he moves and anticipates exceptionally well.

Read on Twitter

Edey total +/- over that stretch. +165
Grizzlies total +/- over that stretch +223

For the entire season Edey is 7th best overall +/- on the grizzlies. It's great their team is playing well, but I don't think this necessarily says Edey is playing significantly better than the rest of the Grizzlies or he is the main reason why.

Jay Huff has the worst +/- at -10, I would say that is pretty telling he isn't impactful because it is such a stark difference then rest of the team, but Edey being somewhere in the middle doesn't tell me much.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Totals&TeamID=1610612763&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

[ItsDanger]

The +/- tells you he hasn't been a defensive liability at this point. Overall, I think he's been fine.

Up to this point, 80%+ of his time on the court, he isn't being utilized to his strengths on offense still (initiate post offense and ballscreen). Too often they don't shoot the open 12-15' shot off screening and way too often they settle for a very low % shot instead if just giving it to Edey. Granted, his post offense has been mediocre to this point but he gets limited touches/game there.

[Big J]

Maybe I am wired differently, but which of these situations seems like a bigger eat crow spot?

Since 2016, here are the averages for 3rd and 9th picks.

3rd pick- 29 mpg, 14.5 ppg
Reed- 11.9 mpg, 3.4 ppg

9th pick- 24.3 mpg, 9.8 ppg.
Edey - 22 mpg, 11.3 ppg.

Reed is significantly underperforming his draft slot by -18 mpg, -11 ppg.
Edey is slightly overperforming his draft slot + 1.5 ppg.

Which one seems like the outlier that should be getting talked about? To me it is not close.

i don't think anything is crow-worthy 40 games into their careers but if you want to play that game I'd say Holland #1 overall is the most crow-worthy out of the 3.

you seem to exist on this board just to play the crow game tho, kinda weird.

Because I made one post about Reed Sheppard in the last few days? Brother again have you read the thread? The last 5 pages are people calling for Crow to be eaten on Edey being good... but yes please hyper fixate on me when regarding this topic lololol.

Plus you are trying to make this convo about Holland when I never mentioned him, which is weird in itself lol

Weird for this dude to call you out on Holland when he still hasn’t copped to taking the L on his absolutely asinine Scoot takes.

[victorhe]

People who hate on Zach will never admit any success in Zach; because the ego to not want to admit any wrong. I’ve seen it in the past in realgm. Just like people never believed in Lopez, and yet he has helped their team with a championship. Just let them believe whatever they believe, and one day perhaps they will still hate Zach when Zach helped the team for a championship. But we don’t care about how hateful people could be; it’s fine- whatever makes them happy.

[MemphisX]

The +/- tells you he hasn't been a defensive liability at this point. Overall, I think he's been fine.

Up to this point, 80%+ of his time on the court, he isn't being utilized to his strengths on offense still (initiate post offense and ballscreen). Too often they don't shoot the open 12-15' shot off screening and way too often they settle for a very low % shot instead if just giving it to Edey. Granted, his post offense has been mediocre to this point but he gets limited touches/game there.

The Grizz usually goes to Brandon Clarke when Edey has a terrible matchup.

[baldur]

Obviously he has a role in the nb a for long years to come even if it's for 15 or 20 mpg.

[jasonxxx102]

The +/- tells you he hasn't been a defensive liability at this point. Overall, I think he's been fine.

Up to this point, 80%+ of his time on the court, he isn't being utilized to his strengths on offense still (initiate post offense and ballscreen). Too often they don't shoot the open 12-15' shot off screening and way too often they settle for a very low % shot instead if just giving it to Edey. Granted, his post offense has been mediocre to this point but he gets limited touches/game there.

Ask yourself, if Edey isn’t a defensive liability, why is he only closing games where the grizzlies are up 20+?

Why is it that the games that are close or they’re losing he’s firmly parked on the bench at the end of the game?

[Jstock12]

People who hate on Zach will never admit any success in Zach; because the ego to not want to admit any wrong. I’ve seen it in the past in realgm. Just like people never believed in Lopez, and yet he has helped their team with a championship. Just let them believe whatever they believe, and one day perhaps they will still hate Zach when Zach helped the team for a championship. But we don’t care about how hateful people could be; it’s fine- whatever makes them happy.

It's hard to avoid bias. People get attached to their own prediction and want to be proven right because that would mean an improvement in how other people perceive them, or how they perceive themselves. I think it's best to always stay flexible in your analysis when you get new data points indicating that you might have been wrong. Doubling down or tripling down on a certain take even in the face of new contradicting information will never be good.

[JMAC3]

Is anyone taking Edey #1 in a redraft? Top 3? Top 5?

[JRoy]

I would have taken him at 7 instead of Clingan.

[babyjax13]

I would have taken him at 7 instead of Clingan.

I still think Clingan is and will be better, but Utah was rumored to be taking Edey if he was available (unclear if they had him over Cody Williams) and I think I'd prefer Edey if the choice was only those two.

[JRoy]

I would have taken him at 7 instead of Clingan.

I still think Clingan is and will be better, but Utah was rumored to be taking Edey if he was available (unclear if they had him over Cody Williams) and I think I'd prefer Edey if the choice was only those two.

You may be right.

I like Edey.

You may be right about Clingan having a better pro career but I like the chip on Edeys shoulder.

[MemphisX]

I would have taken him at 7 instead of Clingan.

Clingan has been good. I like him.

[zzaj]

It's a tossup for me re: Edey and Clingan...

Clingan has not been the same defender since his knee injury, and he has a LOOOOONG way to go on offense and despite his per36 he needs to be a better rebounder. He treats every rebound like it's out of his area. I see a world where Clingan is a better defender and rebounder but I see no world where Clingan is a better offensive player. I would agree that Clingan is less of a matchup liability.

Mostly I'm just happy that both are finding some success, and are showing that Drop bigs can still play in today's NBA.

[76ciology]

Is anyone taking Edey #1 in a redraft? Top 3? Top 5?

Had him #1 in my mock