Joel Embiid

Bubstubbler · Post #181 » by **Bubstubbler** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:19 am

Have yourself some Dream Shake:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Irvvb7Y4-w[/youtube]

Bubstubbler · Post #182 » by **Bubstubbler** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:50 am

^^^ watch Kirk's head as Embiid shakes him. Hilarious.

Bubstubbler · Post #183 » by **Bubstubbler** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:14 am

Embiid has a legit shot of being one of the top 3 players in the NBA in 5 years. His top-end prime potential is stratospheric, maybe something like 26/14/4a/3b/2s as a mix of Hakeem/Hibbert/Marc Gasol/Robert Parish/Wes Unseld.

It would be amazing if the Pelicans got him and paired him with AD. Embiid/AD would have a legit shot of being the best pf/c combo of all time.

Dr Positivity · Post #184 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:09 am

His strengths are huge, but am I the only one who thinks his athleticism is a concern. Not that it's a weakness but if it isn't a strength either, that limits his upside. I wouldn't call him more athletic for his position than Jabari personally

noobcake · Post #185 » by **noobcake** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:27 am

Bubstubbler wrote:Have yourself some Dream Shake:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Irvvb7Y4-w[/youtube]

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Wow. That is the closest thing to a Dreamshake I've seen in a while.

Big_C_KU · Post #186 » by **Big_C_KU** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:04 am

Dr Positivity wrote:His strengths are huge, but am I the only one who thinks his athleticism is a concern. Not that it's a weakness but if it isn't a strength either, that limits his upside. I wouldn't call him more athletic for his position than Jabari personally

He's very agile though and moves his feet well. He's fast enough and jumps high enough. Being super athletic at C isn't a priority as much as it is for the other positions in the NBA. Being tall, long, skilled and exceptional timing is far more important than how high you can leap when you're almost 7-1. I guarantee you GMs would take a skilled 7-0 with average athleticism over a unskilled 7-0 exceptional athleticism.

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OleSchool · Post #187 » by **OleSchool** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:03 pm

Bubstubbler wrote:Have yourself some Dream Shake:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Irvvb7Y4-w[/youtube]

Im going to steal this vid, if you don't mind

Casey Jonas · Post #188 » by **Casey Jonas** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:11 pm

He did do it to the slowest big in college basketball though.... :lol:

Big_C_KU · Post #189 » by **Big_C_KU** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:24 pm

Casey Jonas wrote:He did do it to the slowest big in college basketball though....

Yeah he's definitely not the best defender but that's a move few centers in the NBA can even make look so smooth regardless of the defender.

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OleSchool · Post #190 » by **OleSchool** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:28 pm

Big_C_KU wrote:
Casey Jonas wrote:He did do it to the slowest big in college basketball though....

Yeah he's definitely not the best defender but that's a move few centers in the NBA can even make look so smooth regardless of the defender.

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1 thing that I liked about that move is how he kept his pivot foot and didn't get called for a travel. Most players would have moved.

Post #191 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:38 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:His strengths are huge, but am I the only one who thinks his athleticism is a concern. Not that it's a weakness but if it isn't a strength either, that limits his upside. I wouldn't call him more athletic for his position than Jabari personally

Compare him to all-stars Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert, and Marc Gasol and tell us if you think he's not athletic enough.

Dr Positivity · Post #192 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:53 pm

Sure but if drafting Embiid 1st overall, I'd think teams would be hoping for a higher ceiling than those 3 players.

TheSuzerain · Post #193 » by **TheSuzerain** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:05 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:Sure but if drafting Embiid 1st overall, I'd think teams would be hoping for a higher ceiling than those 3 players.

The thing is that his ceiling is the best parts of all of those players.

Post #194 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:21 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:Sure but if drafting Embiid 1st overall, I'd think teams would be hoping for a higher ceiling than those 3 players.

The thing is that his ceiling is the best parts of all of those players.

Thanks for saving me from banging my head against a wall. 8-)

bullsnewdynasty · Post #195 » by **bullsnewdynasty** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:32 pm

Seems like a healthy/non-headcase version of Bynum.

TucsonClip · Post #196 » by **TucsonClip** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:36 pm

That move was just nasty. Its that kind of footwork and smoothness to his game at such as early stage that has his upside through the roof.

TheSuzerain · Post #197 » by **TheSuzerain** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:10 pm

bullsnewdynasty wrote:Seems like a healthy/non-headcase version of Bynum.

This keeps being brought up, but I don't see it I guess.

Bubstubbler · Post #198 » by **Bubstubbler** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:59 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:Sure but if drafting Embiid 1st overall, I'd think teams would be hoping for a higher ceiling than those 3 players.

His athletic ability is good enough to thoroughly dominate in the NBA to the tune of potential prime numbers around 26/14/4/3/2...along with being a tremendously positive force in terms of leadership and influence on team culture. That is easily worth the #1 pick in this draft. It's true that if he were even more athletic he could have even higher top-end potential, but his current top-end is already HOF caliber.

He'll be more athletic than almost every center he plays against, whereas Parker will be less athletic than most of the sf's he'll face. When I call up the list of the top 30 rebounding centers in the NBA, I see very few who are better athletes than a prime Embiid. Maybe Howard, Drummond, Jordan, and Noah (if we're simplistically defining athleticism using the old wooden standards of strength, quickness/speed, and jumping ability)? But I would still expect Embiid to have quite a bit of success against all of those guys, anyway, due to being a mentally dominant player (much like how guys like Bird, McHale, Walton, etc used their brains to great effect). He'd probably humiliate them quite often and have them in constant foul trouble.

Besides, I think what some people are seeing as 'limited athleticism' is mostly just him having weak/undeveloped muscles, which is the result of having never lifted any weights before this semester and from just being physically immature. He's got weak legs right now, and it shows. But when I project his development forward 5 years, giving him 5 years in strength and nutrition programs while becoming a physically mature man, I see a beast with more than enough athleticism to dominate.

Post #199 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:23 am

Bubstubbler wrote:Besides, I think what some people are seeing as 'limited athleticism' is mostly just him having weak/undeveloped muscles, which is the result of having never lifted any weights before this semester and from just being physically immature. He's got weak legs right now, and it shows. But when I project his development forward 5 years, giving him 5 years in strength and nutrition programs while becoming a physically mature man, I see a beast with more than enough athleticism to dominate.

Yeah, if people remember what Hibbert and Gasol looked like at that age, they hardly resembled physically what they became, because they likely had no clue about weight lifting and nutrition.

Bubstubbler · Post #200 » by **Bubstubbler** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:31 am

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