Marvin Bagley

Post #181 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:09 pm

I just dont get what the surprise is to a lot of people. Bagley wasnt known as some super skilled guy coming into Duke. He was known as a raw player but with all the foundation that you could hope for in a player in todays game. 6'11 with a 7'1 wingspan, so check on the size. Runs the court like a gazelle, moves fantastic laterally and has tremendous bounce and a very very quick 2nd jump, so check on athleticism. Not a great shooter but an improving one with solid touch and good form on his shot, so check for potential as a shooter. Not a dynamic handle but can already handle the ball on the break. Then add in the already built in defense and rebounding and the dude has a tremendous motor.

Hes not the #1 recruit because of his skill as of today, hes the #1 recruit because of the player he can become in 4-5 years. Bagley has all the makings to be the perfect 4/5 hybrid in today's NBA.

blazeyo · Post #182 » by **blazeyo** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:33 am

Don't like his game. I have Bamba, Ayton, Doncic, Knox and even Porter all ahead of him.

J_T · Post #183 » by **J_T** » Wed Nov 1, 2017 11:44 am

blazeyo wrote:Don't like his game. I have Bamba, Ayton, Doncic, Knox and even Porter all ahead of him.

Come on, now...

Not liking his game is not very specific. Can you compare each of these players to him and say why exactly you'd pick them over Bagley?

jonjames · Post #184 » by **jonjames** » Wed Nov 1, 2017 2:05 pm

If he can become as good as this guy I would be pleasantly surprised.

Watch on YouTube

nolang1 · Post #185 » by **nolang1** » Wed Nov 1, 2017 6:33 pm

jonjames wrote:If he can become as good as this guy I would be pleasantly surprised.

Watch on YouTube

Yet another player Bagley outweighs by 30-40 pounds at this stage. What you are continually trying to say is that you think Bagley is unskilled and will be nothing more than an 'energy' big, but you fail to realize that guys like Randolph and Walker would have been pretty damn good at that role if they were actually strong enough to get into position for rebounds (and especially in Randolph's case, actually played with energy consistently). Bagley will be the kind of player who, if the opposing team guards him with a stretch four type, will look like Tristan Thompson against the Celtics on the offensive boards.

jonjames · Post #186 » by **jonjames** » Wed Nov 1, 2017 10:17 pm

nolang1 wrote:
jonjames wrote:If he can become as good as this guy I would be pleasantly surprised.

Watch on YouTube

Yet another player Bagley outweighs by 30-40 pounds at this stage. What you are continually trying to say is that you think Bagley is unskilled and will be nothing more than an 'energy' big, but you fail to realize that guys like Randolph and Walker would have been pretty damn good at that role if they were actually strong enough to get into position for rebounds (and especially in Randolph's case, actually played with energy consistently). Bagley will be the kind of player who, if the opposing team guards him with a stretch four type, will look like Tristan Thompson against the Celtics on the offensive boards.

Im not saying he cant be good im just saying based off what ive seen of him in highschool and now in his debut game im not seeing this generational talent that hes been touted to be. He lacks great feel for the game. Hes not very skilled atm to be a stretch big. He doesnt have great instincts its almost as if he has a delayed reaction on what to do when he gets the ball. Randolph comparison isnt meant to be directed an insult bc I thought very highly of randolph as a nba prospect. Its just randolph had tremendous physical tools/potential and flamed out of the league bc of his poor intangibles. Bagley could certainly prove me wrong but there have been highly routed guys out of highschool all the time who didnt pan out as expected. He could be this years version of skal labisierre.

nolang1 · Post #187 » by **nolang1** » Thu Nov 2, 2017 6:10 am

jonjames wrote:Im not saying he cant be good im just saying based off what ive seen of him in highschool and now in his debut game im not seeing this generational talent that hes been touted to be. He lacks great feel for the game. Hes not very skilled atm to be a stretch big. He doesnt have great instincts its almost as if he has a delayed reaction on what to do when he gets the ball. Randolph comparison isnt meant to be directed an insult bc I thought very highly of randolph as a nba prospect. Its just randolph had tremendous physical tools/potential and flamed out of the league bc of his poor intangibles. Bagley could certainly prove me wrong but there have been highly routed guys out of highschool all the time who didnt pan out as expected. He could be this years version of skal labisierre.

When it comes to intangibles that prevented Randolph from reaching his potential, work ethic and toughness factored in much more heavily than on-court decision making. I mean, Randolph's best stretch of play came when he was a 19-year-old rookie; not many prospects in recent NBA history are good enough at age 19 to stick around in the league if they don't get any better afterwards.

Post #188 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Nov 2, 2017 4:48 pm

jonjames wrote:
nolang1 wrote:
jonjames wrote:If he can become as good as this guy I would be pleasantly surprised.

Yet another player Bagley outweighs by 30-40 pounds at this stage. What you are continually trying to say is that you think Bagley is unskilled and will be nothing more than an 'energy' big, but you fail to realize that guys like Randolph and Walker would have been pretty damn good at that role if they were actually strong enough to get into position for rebounds (and especially in Randolph's case, actually played with energy consistently). Bagley will be the kind of player who, if the opposing team guards him with a stretch four type, will look like Tristan Thompson against the Celtics on the offensive boards.

Im not saying he cant be good im just saying based off what ive seen of him in highschool and now in his debut game im not seeing this generational talent that hes been touted to be. He lacks great feel for the game. Hes not very skilled atm to be a stretch big. He doesnt have great instincts its almost as if he has a delayed reaction on what to do when he gets the ball. Randolph comparison isnt meant to be directed an insult bc I thought very highly of randolph as a nba prospect. Its just randolph had tremendous physical tools/potential and flamed out of the league bc of his poor intangibles. Bagley could certainly prove me wrong but there have been highly routed guys out of highschool all the time who didnt pan out as expected. He could be this years version of skal labisierre.

But Randolph was a human stick figure - and because of that a lot of people (like myself) thought he had a very low floor - which he hit. If he had Bagley's frame, he could have had a nice NBA career.

Post #189 » by **GimmeDat** » Thu Nov 2, 2017 11:35 pm

I'm really itching to see more of Bagley, he's a bit of an enigma to me. I've seen the hype and obviously that first preseason showing hasn't done him justice. He'll have to show a lot to be up there with guys like Ayton and Doncic.

CptCrunch · Post #190 » by **CptCrunch** » Sat Nov 4, 2017 7:16 pm

https://duke.247sports.com/Gallery/DukeGang18-football-recruits-are-putting-up-some-serious-stats-109882054

Can we get a Bowie state highlight?

JamesConway · Post #191 » by **JamesConway** » Sat Nov 4, 2017 7:57 pm

paulbball wrote:https://duke.247sports.com/Gallery/DukeGang18-football-recruits-are-putting-up-some-serious-stats-109882054

Can we get a Bowie state highlight?

Watch on YouTube

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CptCrunch · Post #192 » by **CptCrunch** » Sat Nov 4, 2017 8:49 pm

JamesConway wrote:
paulbball wrote:https://duke.247sports.com/Gallery/DukeGang18-football-recruits-are-putting-up-some-serious-stats-109882054

Can we get a Bowie state highlight?

Watch on YouTube
;feature=youtu.be&a

Man, I'm really not a fan of his game.

Tries to play SF with PF/C size. I guess if puts up good stats against better competition, that would give him a lot of potential and is what makes him special.

doordoor123 · Post #193 » by **doordoor123** » Sat Nov 4, 2017 8:59 pm

Bagley's offense is going to look really different in the NBA. The space is going to help him a lot. In terms of who he relates to, I say no one. He's kind of a unique player. I think the space is going to hurt him a bit defensively because a lot of his defense relies on awareness rather than physical ability. But on the block he's going to kill people on offense.

Im still just not sure about his upside.

Post #194 » by **GimmeDat** » Sat Nov 4, 2017 11:11 pm

I'm really impressed by his fluidity, coordination, touch, motor, instincts etc., but he definitely has the least defined skill-set and role out of the top bigs. He's a bit of an enigma for me.

ItsThatEasy · Post #195 » by **ItsThatEasy** » Sun Nov 5, 2017 12:31 am

He wasn't really able to take Bowie State's bigs off the dribble, he ended up settling for contested jumpers in those situations which is a bit troubling.

He's athletic for sure but his first step with the ball in his hands isn't what I was expecting.

jonjames · Post #196 » by **jonjames** » Sun Nov 5, 2017 12:57 am

Again not terribly impressed by this kid. Hes just an athlete who plays basketball right now. Maybe he can improve as the season goes on but those anthony davis comparisons need to be put to rest. Nowhere near close to impact davis had despite davis raw offense at kentucky.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #197 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sun Nov 5, 2017 3:44 am

Doesn't look as naturally coordinated as some other players his height.

blazeyo · Post #198 » by **blazeyo** » Sun Nov 5, 2017 5:13 am

I see a bust written all over him.

Doesn't look overly explosive, questiionable lateral quickness, small frame, raw, no outside shot and is too reliant on post and and aggressive play at the rim against smaller kids. Can't see how his game translates atleast im the early part of his career.

If he had good measurements then I'd be okay, but his standing reach, wingspan and frame are just not a top 5 material when you consider how raw he is.

I just don't see it.

King Ken · Post #199 » by **King Ken** » Sun Nov 5, 2017 6:00 am

doordoor123 wrote:Bagley's offense is going to look really different in the NBA. The space is going to help him a lot. In terms of who he relates to, I say no one. He's kind of a unique player. I think the space is going to hurt him a bit defensively because a lot of his defense relies on awareness rather than physical ability. But on the block he's going to kill people on offense.

Im still just not sure about his upside.

It clearly will, his first step, ball handling. I can see him being a much better pro. That said, there was a lot of missed decisions, even considering that this is a hi/lolight.

GimmeDat wrote:I'm really impressed by his fluidity, coordination, touch, motor, instincts etc., but he definitely has the least defined skill-set and role out of the top bigs. He's a bit of an enigma for me.

I agree again. It's funny, you read the post below you and it's like, they are watching a completely different player. I came away impressed considering it's pre-season and it's clear he doesn't have a defined role yet but they are kinda letting him try to see what he can and can't do with the early green light.

doordoor123 · Post #200 » by **doordoor123** » Sun Nov 5, 2017 9:29 pm

King Ken wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:Bagley's offense is going to look really different in the NBA. The space is going to help him a lot. In terms of who he relates to, I say no one. He's kind of a unique player. I think the space is going to hurt him a bit defensively because a lot of his defense relies on awareness rather than physical ability. But on the block he's going to kill people on offense.

Im still just not sure about his upside.

It clearly will, his first step, ball handling. I can see him being a much better pro. That said, there was a lot of missed decisions, even considering that this is a hi/lolight.

GimmeDat wrote:I'm really impressed by his fluidity, coordination, touch, motor, instincts etc., but he definitely has the least defined skill-set and role out of the top bigs. He's a bit of an enigma for me.

I agree again. It's funny, you read the post below you and it's like, they are watching a completely different player. I came away impressed considering it's pre-season and it's clear he doesn't have a defined role yet but they are kinda letting him try to see what he can and can't do with the early green light.

If he's on the right team in the NBA, it's going to be easier for him to pass and handle. Every NBA team is shooting from every position now and that space is going to help him. It'll also be easier to pass when he knows everyone is on the three point line.