Bob8 wrote:peja_the_legend wrote:Going by those highlights he was guarded by Hanga literally in 2 plays.One where he got a bs foul call,and one where he got a really questionable foul call.Otherwise it was monster defenders like Laprovitolla,Luz and Beaboi guarding him(with Bargani and Voigtman not even pretending to play any kind of defense as help defenders.)
Sidenote Spanish league seem to know they got a crowd magnet so he gets Harden style of calls in his favor.That and one at 0.15,my god.. Not to mention Real shouldnt even play after what was one of the worst roberries against Andora in the quarter final.
Nice to see you don't find any positive words for 17 years old kid, who is one of the best players in Coppa del Ray. Having Pir 23 and 26, the best +-, almost triple double in first and 23 points in second game. I didn't aspect anything else from you.
The part about the refs is 100% true. I already mentioned it a couple times. Of course people tried to pretend it isn't true and I was making it up. I'm not, and neither is peja_the_legend - it is most definitely absolutely 100% true.
I've never seen a player in European basketball get so babied and so protected as Doncic is. The refs are helping him to a tremendous degree. What he is doing at his age is still extremely impressive, but let's not pretend the refs are not hugely helping him, because they most definitely are. No other players in Europe ever get these kinds of calls.
UcanUwill wrote:School kids scores 23 in Spanish cup semifinal, but he didn't do it against NBA defensive monsters, so lets discredit it all. Some people really need to *** off.
If I am correct, they play Valencia in the final today. Not very well familiar with Valencia's roster, so I took a look. Not a very good looking roster to be honest, I think Real is a clear favorite. Fernando San Emeterio is probably the most famous player out there,
The posts claiming that no players in Europe have athleticism or defense, and that all NCAA players and NBA players are more athletic and better defenders than all players in Europe are obviously not to be taken seriously. Just ignore them.
We shouldn't even be acknowledging or responding to such ridiculous claims.As far as Valencia goes, they have a good team. It's got the 3rd biggest budget in the Spanish League (after Real Madrid and Barca), and all of their players are pretty decent. No stars in the team at all, but 12 guys that can play and a competent coach.
SportsGuy8 wrote:reanimator wrote:Its a great way to maximize his passing at the next level when driving and dishing becomes significantly harder.
Scoring at the rim is harder, but driving and dishing surely isn't. Due to the rules that heavily favor offensive players (especially driving), it's actually a lot easier to drive in the NBA. The opposite is true in FIBA basketball, where penetrating is a lot harder, that's why penetrating guards without a shot always tend to struggle on Team USA in half-court sets. It's also one of the main reasons why they kept losing a decade ago, before they realized it and made such an emphasis over the last decade on actually putting good shooters on USA teams.
Even PRIME Iverson had major problems penetrating in 2004 ... Same goes for Derrick Rose, who was completely lost in half-court sets, because he was unable to drive.
Same is true for passing out of drives, because the NBA court is also bigger. What's harder is actually FINISHING those drives, due to the presence off all the athletic freaks under the basket. But even that's arguable since the league is severely lacking defensive monsters under the basket.
For example, look at Dragic and what he's able to do, only because he's crafty and has good body control. Doncic has already shown nice body control in the air vs. contact, and combined with craftiness, it's the one thing that's going to allow him to at least be a competent finisher.
Finishing at the rim isn't harder in NBA than in EuroLeague. Maybe in case of Doncic, that gets ref favoritsim it would not be a difference, but in NBA rules the defender has no right to his personal space on defense. So if an offensive players makes contact with the defender, he gets two free throws.
In FIBA rules (so EuroLeague play), the defensive player has the right to his own space on the court defensively, and there is a 360 degree space surrounding every defender that it is illegal for an offensive player to enter into. Therefore, ergo, if an offensive player makes contact with the defender, there will either be no foul on the defender, and no free throws for the offensive player, or the only other outcome is for an offensive foul to be called. The refs usually call it out 50/50 on no call or an offensive foul.
In NBA rules, it's 90 percent of the time (at least) two free throws for the offensive player.
So no, it's not easier to finish at the rim in EuroLeague. In fact, it's much harder, when you combine the foul rule with the fact that the NBA has the defensive 3 seconds rule. In NBA you can't camp to 6-10 plus guys all game in the paint. EuroLeague has no defensive 3 seconds rule, and allows a pure zone defense. NBA only allows the so-called pseudo-zone, which obviously isn't a zone at all.
So you have the lane clogged by big men almost all game in EuroLeague, and the defender given his own space in the lane around the rim that the offensive player cannot intrude into....versus the exact opposite in both ways in the NBA.
It's definitely much harder to finish at the rim in EuroLeague in a set offense/defense in half court.
Some of this though isn't that particularly relevant for Doncic, since European refs are treating him differently, and generally giving him fouls on any contact when he has the ball and initiates (which is the NBA rule), rather than following the FIBA rule, that the offensive player can't intrude into the defender's space on the court.
But for the leagues overall, basically no other players in EuroLeague are allowed to do that. Whereas, by comparison, many NBA players base the majority of their game on plowing their bodies into the defense to get to the free throw line, which isn't allowed under FIBA rules.
That whole D-Wade, James Harden type offense isn't allowed under FIBA rules.
about pull ups, post ups and stop/go ability.
