Trae Young

JohnWillow · Post #181 » by **JohnWillow** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:46 am

akhan786 wrote:Hot take: I contend that if Trae wasn't as fugly, he'd be ranked a lot higher. What separates him from Kyrie as a prospect?

His shot is a bit too slow for my taste (similar to how Lonzo's shot has been bothered quite a bit in the league), but if his shooting translates, this kid looks like an All-star level PG.

prime1time · Post #182 » by **prime1time** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:57 am

https://youtu.be/l7R6qCedbEQ
I think the best comparison now is Tony Parker.

Watch on YouTube

Young should be a top 5 pick. If not 1st overall. He's going to give you everything that Parker gives you plus better vision/passing and deeper range. Trae Young's range on his 3 will destroy defenses just like Steph does. How do you guard Trae Young on the pick and roll? No team in college is equipped to do it, and you can see the end result. He is just destroying defenses. The same thing will happen in the NBA. If the team that drafts Trae Young can find a point forward, think Draymond Green/Boris Diaw teams will find it very hard to guard them. Steph might be a slightly better shooter but it doesn't matter. Young can make 3's way beyond the 3-point line consistently so you'll have to guard him. He just turned 19. How good was Tony Parker at his age? Precisely. It is scary to think about how good he'll be in 5 or 6 years, and even scarier to think about trying to stop a team that has Trae Young and multiple other scorers. People who talk about his slow shot are delusional. His release is very similar to Steph's. Just a flick of the rest.

Here's a thought experiment, lets take those great Spurs teams and replace a prime Tony Parker with a prime Trae Young. Think about how scary that team is. How do you guard those Spurs teams when the big defender has to switch/trap the pick and roll 30 ft from the hoop. Trae has already showed that he has the quickness to consistently beat big Men, and make the right pass when the help comes. To be fair to Trae, however, the comparison to Parker is a weak one. Trae is a vastly superior player to Parker at a comparable age.

crows2 · Post #183 » by **crows2** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:55 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:It's interesting he has a completely different narrative to Lonzo Ball.

Oklahoma are 9-1 after going 11-20 last season but no storyline of being a winner or making his teammates better.
3 Assists more per game than Ball but no favourable comparisons to other great passing PGs.

I think you're nitpicking here. Young is getting plenty of credit in the media for his scoring, passing and winning. Of course he's not getting the same comparisons as Ball got because they're different players. Anyone who's getting comparisons to Curry, as Young has been, can't complain much. His scoring/shooting has largely overshadowed his passing until today's game, but I'm not sure who you want him compared to? Both Ball and Young were/are rightly being lauded for their freshman college seasons.

No-Man · Post #184 » by **No-Man** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:54 am

Likely need is gonna push him below the top5 but he is a top5 prospect in my eyes now, he is risky, and probably less adaptable or plug-playable than others due to his position but the upside is also higher, so that's your value proposition, he might be the best player in an offensive system in the future, other than Luka I don't see anybody with that talent in this class (Sexton if he were a better athlete could've had a chance, Bruce Brown if he were doing this at a younger age).

BlueSan · Post #185 » by **BlueSan** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:14 pm

prime1time wrote:https://youtu.be/l7R6qCedbEQ
I think the best comparison now is Tony Parker.

Watch on YouTube

Young should be a top 5 pick. If not 1st overall. He's going to give you everything that Parker gives you plus better vision/passing and deeper range. Trae Young's range on his 3 will destroy defenses just like Steph does. How do you guard Trae Young on the pick and roll? No team in college is equipped to do it, and you can see the end result. He is just destroying defenses. The same thing will happen in the NBA. If the team that drafts Trae Young can find a point forward, think Draymond Green/Boris Diaw teams will find it very hard to guard them. Steph might be a slightly better shooter but it doesn't matter. Young can make 3's way beyond the 3-point line consistently so you'll have to guard him. He just turned 19. How good was Tony Parker at his age? Precisely. It is scary to think about how good he'll be in 5 or 6 years, and even scarier to think about trying to stop a team that has Trae Young and multiple other scorers. People who talk about his slow shot are delusional. His release is very similar to Steph's. Just a flick of the rest.

Here's a thought experiment, lets take those great Spurs teams and replace a prime Tony Parker with a prime Trae Young. Think about how scary that team is. How do you guard those Spurs teams when the big defender has to switch/trap the pick and roll 30 ft from the hoop. Trae has already showed that he has the quickness to consistently beat big Men, and make the right pass when the help comes. To be fair to Trae, however, the comparison to Parker is a weak one. Trae is a vastly superior player to Parker at a comparable age.

Number 1? Well that means he is better objectively speaking than the rest of the guys leaving physical attributes aside. I wouldnt say he is. What do you think?

No-Man · Post #186 » by **No-Man** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:34 pm

Young isn't similar to Parker honestly, I get that Steph is a bit extreme but I think Nash is a fair comp, or a Nash that is more happy-shooting which probably would be Stevo if he grew up now honestly.

Parker was unreal at 19 btw, people don't really remember and intl scouting was way less developed back then but the guy was a stud prospect.

I don't think they have similar games whatsoever.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #187 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:12 pm

re: the comparison to Ball and his passing. if folks aren't giving him credit for being an elite passer and comparing him to the elite passing PGs, that's their problem. Young is right there with the best passing PGs college basketball has seen.

a post above mentioned a slow release. just have to assume I read that wrong, because his quick release is one of his greatest strengths.

the Parker comparison is lazy. the announcer in the game last night kept bringing it up. its not that they don't have similarities, because they do, but its just a bad comparison. first, Parker isn't a long distance shooter. his offensive game isn't about range. he's had several seasons where he's attempted less than one 3pt FG per game. Trae Young is a 3pt bomber who regularly takes 25 foot+ 3s every game. 2nd, Trae Young is a big time playmaker/assisting PG - he's currently leading the country and is elite in that area. Parker is a scoring PG who averages less than 6 assists for his career. that's not to rip Parker as he's one of the best to ever do it, rather they are just different players with different skill sets.

similarties are size/build and both are pretty incredible getting into paint and finishing.

doordoor123 · Post #188 » by **doordoor123** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:57 pm

Fischella wrote:Young isn't similar to Parker honestly, I get that Steph is a bit extreme but I think Nash is a fair comp, or a Nash that is more happy-shooting which probably would be Stevo if he grew up now honestly.

Parker was unreal at 19 btw, people don't really remember and intl scouting was way less developed back then but the guy was a stud prospect.

I don't think they have similar games whatsoever.

Nash is his favorite player. Yeah, Parker was never a three point shooter, Parker was quicker and Parker also played more to the ground.

jg77 · Post #189 » by **jg77** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:02 pm

I'm guessing he'll be something between Nash and Steph. I'd love to see the Suns draft him and create a splash brothers part 2 lol.

blazeyo · Post #190 » by **blazeyo** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:17 pm

Top 3 pick right now. His passing is probably one of the most impressive passing I have ever seen out of anybody. The way that he passes the ball with both of his hands with perfect velocity , timing and precision going down hill is unheard of. He also looked faster and had quicker first step in this game.

No-Man · Post #191 » by **No-Man** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:23 pm

blazeyo wrote:Top 3 pick right now. His passing is probably one of the most impressive passing I have ever seen out of anybody. The way that he passes the ball with both of his hands with perfect velocity , timing and precision going down hill is unheard of. He also looked faster and had quicker first step in this game.

Not gonna trust that, I opened this game after watching him against another low tier team, and he also looked explosive, then has looked average against better teams or atheltes, I think your sight tricks you with that stuff

he is clearly more athletic than people think but still not feeling him as a guy with a major first step if that makes sense.

blazeyo · Post #192 » by **blazeyo** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:38 pm

Fischella wrote:
blazeyo wrote:Top 3 pick right now. His passing is probably one of the most impressive passing I have ever seen out of anybody. The way that he passes the ball with both of his hands with perfect velocity , timing and precision going down hill is unheard of. He also looked faster and had quicker first step in this game.

Not gonna trust that, I opened this game after watching him against another low tier team, and he also looked explosive, then has looked average against better teams or atheltes, I think your sight tricks you with that stuff

he is clearly more athletic than people think but still not feeling him as a guy with a major first step if that makes sense.

Yeah, sometiems he looks quicker and more explosive and at times he just doesn't. I dunno, I still think his body looks balanced as far as body mechanics, hip stability, flexbility, and posture goes, and I think he can look more explosive in the NBA with a good strengthening program.

Where do you rank him? I think he is a very special talent.

No-Man · Post #193 » by **No-Man** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:54 pm

In terms of guys with the ability to be go-tos on offense probably 2nd or 3rd depending on how much you liked MPJ or trust his back, overall, I think it depends on the team, he isn't gonna play with another PG so if Dallas is picking I'd not be mad if they draft Ayton or Bagley, JJJ also, ahead of him although in a vaccuum I'd probably go Trae.

So probably 3rd honestly, again hard to say when you put everything together that might change, it all depend on if you trust the guy's upside as a primary, because if you don't other guys are probably better as plug and play role players.

This year tbh after Doncic is a hot mess, every team should have different tiers depending on how they value their own prospects.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #194 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:54 pm

Fischella wrote:
blazeyo wrote:Top 3 pick right now. His passing is probably one of the most impressive passing I have ever seen out of anybody. The way that he passes the ball with both of his hands with perfect velocity , timing and precision going down hill is unheard of. He also looked faster and had quicker first step in this game.

Not gonna trust that, I opened this game after watching him against another low tier team, and he also looked explosive, then has looked average against better teams or atheltes, I think your sight tricks you with that stuff

he is clearly more athletic than people think but still not feeling him as a guy with a major first step if that makes sense.

he's produced against everybody. didn't look any more explosive against NW State than he did against Wichita or Oregon, tbh. but again, the more important point is that he gets to his spots and finishes against everyone.

in short, whether he has a major first step or not, who knows - not sure it matters. he gets to where he wants to go and makes plays.

blazeyo · Post #195 » by **blazeyo** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:03 pm

I don't think he is less explosive than curry on Davidson. Guys like him do get more explosive in the NBA, like Curry did.

The-Power · Post #196 » by **The-Power** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:10 pm

blazeyo wrote:I don't think he is less explosive than curry on Davidson. Guys like him do get more explosive in the NBA, like Curry did.

I'm not even sure that he's less explosive than current Curry although it might depend on what exactly you subsume under the term ‘explosive‘.

doordoor123 · Post #197 » by **doordoor123** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:20 pm

The-Power wrote:
blazeyo wrote:I don't think he is less explosive than curry on Davidson. Guys like him do get more explosive in the NBA, like Curry did.

I'm not even sure that he's less explosive than current Curry although it might depend on what exactly you subsume under the term ‘explosive‘.

Hes more explosive and quicker than Curry IMO. He has a great change of pace and changes speeds well and I think it confuses a lot of you because he goes slow on purpose so he can speed up or slow down even more when he needs to. It reminds me a lot of Donovan Mitchell when everyone thought he was slow. Not everyone runs full speed on ththe fast break. It’s easier to track the defense that way.

blazeyo · Post #198 » by **blazeyo** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:53 pm

The-Power wrote:
blazeyo wrote:I don't think he is less explosive than curry on Davidson. Guys like him do get more explosive in the NBA, like Curry did.

I'm not even sure that he's less explosive than current Curry although it might depend on what exactly you subsume under the term ‘explosive‘.

Explosiveness is too general, I agree. I think he is quicker than Curry off the dribble, especially in a straight line, I think he knows how to use his gravity to manipulate the defense better in order to get to the heart of the defense.

Curry was much less of a on-ball player in College because he didn't have the luxury of such elite screen setters in college. He was more of an off-ball player because of that. Young doesn't have the luxury yet of playing with the space and the same screen setters that Curry has had the pleasure to play with in the NBA, so you gotta compare him to Curry in Davidson.

Curry uses screens quite differently than Young, he uses his dribbling ability and 3pt threat to keep defenders on their toes, especially against a 4/5 and makes to either over commit or sag off, but he doesn't usually blow by them with his quickness unless the defender over commits when Curry starts to show his array of dribbling moves, hesis and pump fakes.

I just don't want to say Young is quicker or more explosive just yet because it's too early and he seems kinda On/Off in that regard, but he DOES look more explosive to me.. It's not his selling point to me at this time. I was just mentioning it because people question his ability to generate clean shots against NBA defenders.

So the only way he wouldn't be able to generate godo shots in the NBA is the release. Is that 1/1.5 inch difference that crucial? Did Curry actually have quicker release in college? I don't know, Young's release is lightning quick as it is and he is the kind of player that some how adjusts it looks like.

No-Man · Post #199 » by **No-Man** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:03 pm

Curry's release is clearly more versatile and higher though, Young does set his feet often and loses a bit of time there, Curry is just firing in the hole even if his legs are combed and he is shooting unbalanced

blazeyo · Post #200 » by **blazeyo** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:12 pm

Fischella wrote:Curry's release is clearly more versatile and higher though, Young does set his feet often and loses a bit of time there, Curry is just firing in the hole even if his legs are combed and he is shooting unbalanced

That's true and I agree, but is it workable in your opinion? this is the reason you think he is going to have trouble getting his shot off?