2022 NBA Draft Part II

[clyde21]

Is this the worst draft for point guards since 2014?

2021: Cunningham, Suggs, Giddey, Mitchell, etc. (some probably don't end up playing point guard)
2020: Ball, Haliburton, Maxey (but also Hayes, Lewis)
2019: Ja, Garland, White
2018: Young, Sexton, Simons
2017: Fultz, Ball, Fox, White (also Ntilikina, DSJ)
2016: Simmons, J. Murray, D. Murray
2015: Russell, Payne, Wright (Mudiay)
2014: Dinwiddie (Exum, T. Ennis, Napier)
2013: McCollum, Schroder (Burke)
2012: Lillard, Rivers, Satoransky (Marshall)
2011: Irving, Walker, Thomas (Fredette)
2010: Wall, Bledsoe
2009: Harden, Rubio, Curry, Holiday, Lawson, Collison (Flynn, Jennings)
2008: Rose, Westbrook, Augustin, Hill, Dragic
2007: Conley, Brooks (Stuckey)
2006: Foye, Rondo, Lowry
2005: Williams, Paul, Felton, Jack
2004: Livingston, Harris, Nelson (Telfair)
2003: Hinrich, Ford, Ridnour (Banks)
2002: (Williams, Wagner)
2001: Parker, Tinsley, Arenas
2000: ooph... Jamal Crawford, if you want to count him

That's 22 drafts and it seems to me that this is one of the worst pre-draft, probably there with 2001, in that regard, where the major point guards were all projected out of the lottery. I like both TyTy and Chandler well enough, and would not be surprised if either turns into a reasonable starter...but just with how shallow the point guard class is I might avoid them all together and wait for a different year, especially with how deep the position is in the league. Could Tyty slide because of this? I'm not buying mocks that have him late lottery, to be honest.

yea, it's a terrible class for lead guards and ball handlers. one of the worst I can remember.

[clyde21]

I'm not judging but over the past couple of posts, Braun has been compared to Josh Hart, Kyle Singler, Grayson Allen, Pat Connaughton, Gordon Hayward and Alex Caruso (and, granted, Matt Barnes). I think this just goes to show how much ‘looks’ still play a part in player comparisons and that's one reason why I'm not convinced we necessarily need to force comparisons onto players.

lmao seriously, just ridiculous.

just list all the white guards you can think of and call it a day I guess.

[LofJ]

What do you guys think about Tari Eason and Dyson Daniels? Other than those two, Mark Williams, and Kessler I don't really like any of the late lottery guys in this draft.

[TheSuzerain]

this feels like one of the weakest championship teams/years in a while or am I tripping?

I feel like this Kansas team would get trounced by Baylor team last year for example.

Kansas is a pretty good team. Definitely not a dominant powerhouse champion, though. This year had a lot of parity across college basketball. There was no dominant powerhouse team, which made it fun and less predictable.

With that being said, I still think Creighton would've beaten Kansas in the 2nd round if they were healthy. arguably creighton's 2 best players, kalkbrenner and nembhard were both out and creighton still only lost by like 3.

Kalkbrenner playing that game probably results in Creighton losing by more.

Their small ball kept them in it because that freshman was abusing McCormack.

[CptCrunch]

Realistically, how high would you guys draft Kevin Porter Jr in his current form this year? (Assuming all his maturity issues gets resolved)

At 4 before Ivey?

[Duke4life831]

Realistically, how high would you guys draft Kevin Porter Jr in his current form this year? (Assuming all his maturity issues gets resolved)

At 4 before Ivey?

That is a massive assumption and one that is very hard to overlook. Id probably take KPJ the same place where I ended up having him in his draft, late lotto to late teens. I was very high on KPJ going into college and probably half way through his time at USC.

I honestly view KPJ today the same way I viewed him coming into the draft. A guy with tremendous wiggle and creation, but overall is an inefficient scorer and not a good defender. No doubt his passing is better than I thought it would be, but that has been canceled out with his off court issues being an even bigger issue than I thought they would end up being (and I thought they were a big red flag before the draft). But overall I view him at best as a 6th man guy on a good team. Im not taking him top 5 in any draft.

[namlede]

this draft class is terrible. imo there are only 2 guys with special talent in this draft class. Chet and Ivey. Jabari you could make a case for with his shooting ability at 6'10".

Ivey has weaknesses sure, but with his type of work ethic and energy I don't see how he won't be a superstar. not only is his first step just insane but he has good strength and seems like his body will fill out nicely. A team that drafts him hopes he becomes a smarter more coachable Westbrook which I think is possible.

as a OKC fan my board is
#1 Chet
#2 Ivey
#3 Jabari

everyone else is just another guy imo.

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[GreatWhiteStiff]

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be posting about this here but nbadraft.net has Jaden Ivey going 1, but most people here like Chet and Jabari...does Ivey have a significant chance of going 1 or is nbadraft.net out to lunch. Sorry if I shouldn't be talking about mocks, it's more a question if its reasonable Ivey can be perceived as the number 1 pick by nba teams?

[jman3134]

I love Jaden Ivey. I think it depends who selects at number 1. For now, I think it is reasonable that he could go top 3. I wouldn't think he gets selected at 1, but you never know.

[CptCrunch]

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be posting about this here but nbadraft.net has Jaden Ivey going 1, but most people here like Chet and Jabari...does Ivey have a significant chance of going 1 or is nbadraft.net out to lunch. Sorry if I shouldn't be talking about mocks, it's more a question if its reasonable Ivey can be perceived as the number 1 pick by nba teams?

nbadraft.net does this every other year to attention seek. I don't really see why Ivey is that #4.

[916fan]

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be posting about this here but nbadraft.net has Jaden Ivey going 1, but most people here like Chet and Jabari...does Ivey have a significant chance of going 1 or is nbadraft.net out to lunch. Sorry if I shouldn't be talking about mocks, it's more a question if its reasonable Ivey can be perceived as the number 1 pick by nba teams?

I think there could be a couple teams interested in him if they get the #1 pick. However, I think most teams already have their starting PGs. For a team to absolutely love Ivey at #1, it probably means they believe in his ability to be a lead guard.

- Houston: No, because they seem hellbent on KPJ-Green

- Orlando: maybe, if they think he's the BPA, they'll take him. They love long athletic players at any positions and have shown that they don't care at all about roster fit.

- Detroit: maybe if they think he's BPA and think he can help Cade, I think they'd draft him.. but they need help elsewhere.

- OKC: No, they already have Giddey and SGA.

- Pacers: maybe if they think he's BPA and can fit with Haliburton

- Blazers: No, too many guards + Dame.

- Kings: No, already have Fox + other guards

- Pelicans via Lakers: maybe, they're the only team on this list who don't have a true PG on the team (although I'm not sure about Cade being 100% a PG yet).

I think it's very unlikely that ivey goes #1.

[baldur]

It is okay that this draft doesn't promise a lot of point guards. there have been many enough in the last few years anyway.

[Big J]

Realistically, how high would you guys draft Kevin Porter Jr in his current form this year? (Assuming all his maturity issues gets resolved)

At 4 before Ivey?

KPJ is an empty numbers stat chaser with a piss poor attitude. He’s not the kind of guy you want on a serious winning team.

[WargamesX]

The more I look at this draft the more I want to classify it as a “defensive draft” where there are guys deep who play good enough defense they can stick in the league. There are a few offensive studs but the majority of these guys aren’t anywhere near that.

[Jamaaliver]

Daniels handle is one of the weaker parts of his game. Coughs up the ball quite a bit when being pressured defensively, or when he tries to dribble through tight spaces..

I think he has a great handle for a 6'8 guy at 19 YO. Any wing that manages 4.4 APG and is given the green light to take the ball up court has to have a good handle (At least for his age).

This is draft time which means height exaggerations. I want to see those official measurements. I watched him this entire season and he didn’t look significantly taller than when he started at 6’6.

Also I think the best mock if he becomes a wing is a shorter Nic Batum. If a team develops him into a combo PG he could be Lonzo’lite.

The Ringer's Big Board has a Dyson Daniels comparison of Derrick White as an oversized secondary ballhandler with solid defense and questionable shooting.

Does this feel accurate to you guys?

[Jamaaliver]

A guy I'm really curious about seeing as so many draft gurus have jumped on his bandwagon.

If the jump shot comes around, even to just 15 feet, I can see elite role player possibility.

Otherwise, IDK. I still suspect he's just a defensive specialist.

Thoughts?

Jeremy Sochan

Capable of excelling as an athletic two-way player who can defend all five positions, and if he develops a jump shot he has limitless potential

Watch on YouTube

Height: 6'9"
Weight: 230
Age: 19.1
Year: Freshman

Ben Simmons, Draymond Green, Aaron Gordon

PLUSES

• Elite defensive prospect who can defend across all positions. He’s super active, a total pest for offenses. NBA switching schemes are perfect for his skill set. He has the toughness and strength to handle bigger players inside, plus the length and mobility to handle quicker players on the perimeter. He hustles hard, communicates, and displays excellent awareness all over the court. He can serve as a rim protector in pick-and-roll or defend at the point of attack. There is nothing he can’t do.
• Active on the boards and consistently boxes out. Following a defensive board, he’s a talented open-floor passer who rewards running teammates.
• He’s a playmaker with a fluid handle that features misdirection and sudden movements to generate space. At 6-foot-9 and 230 pounds, he’s too big for smaller players to contain. And even though he’s a limited shooter, defending him with a big means he’ll just drive right by them. He’s a potential mismatch nightmare with his combination of size and speed.
• Skilled interior player. He can score with either hand around the rim or take off from the dunker spot when he’s hit with a dump-off pass. When he attacks, he leans on a spin move. With a deep bag, he’s able to draw a ton of fouls. If paired with a knockdown shooter, he could feast on the short roll due to his combo of passing, handling, and finishing.
• Unproven shooter but his potential is intoxicating when he’s making turnaround jumpers from the elbow area. He has a high, unblockable release and the coordination to unleash tough shots. But his efficiency is an issue.

MINUSES

• Lacks a reliable shot. He’s made just 31.7 percent of catch-and-shoot 3s and only 57.5 percent of his free throws. He has a slow, methodical release off the catch that doesn’t look nearly as fluid as his pull-up. He’s shooting 35.7 percent on pull-up 2s and floaters, but hasn’t taken many pull-up 3s. Without a proven jumper, defenses will dare him to shoot.
• He hasn’t displayed the ability to successfully post up, which would be a valuable tool considering his size. Being able to post up a smaller player or draw double-teams would also mitigate the need for him to improve as a shooter, which is a much tougher task.
• Takes some occasional risks on defense, including mistakenly jumping passing lanes. And he’s not always on point with his fundamentals, such as closing out without proper technique. Then again, his risk-taking is also what makes him so disruptive.

PTS 8.7 .550 TS%
3P% 29.9 67 3PA
REB 6.1 14.4 REB%
STL 1.3 0.7 BLK

The Ringer

[EMG518]

A guy I'm really curious about seeing as so many draft gurus have jumped on his bandwagon.

If the jump shot comes around, even to just 15 feet, I can see elite role player possibility.

Otherwise, IDK. I still suspect he's just a defensive specialist.

Thoughts?

Jeremy Sochan

Capable of excelling as an athletic two-way player who can defend all five positions, and if he develops a jump shot he has limitless potential

Watch on YouTube

Height: 6'9"
Weight: 230
Age: 19.1
Year: Freshman

Ben Simmons, Draymond Green, Aaron Gordon

PLUSES

• Elite defensive prospect who can defend across all positions. He’s super active, a total pest for offenses. NBA switching schemes are perfect for his skill set. He has the toughness and strength to handle bigger players inside, plus the length and mobility to handle quicker players on the perimeter. He hustles hard, communicates, and displays excellent awareness all over the court. He can serve as a rim protector in pick-and-roll or defend at the point of attack. There is nothing he can’t do.
• Active on the boards and consistently boxes out. Following a defensive board, he’s a talented open-floor passer who rewards running teammates.
• He’s a playmaker with a fluid handle that features misdirection and sudden movements to generate space. At 6-foot-9 and 230 pounds, he’s too big for smaller players to contain. And even though he’s a limited shooter, defending him with a big means he’ll just drive right by them. He’s a potential mismatch nightmare with his combination of size and speed.
• Skilled interior player. He can score with either hand around the rim or take off from the dunker spot when he’s hit with a dump-off pass. When he attacks, he leans on a spin move. With a deep bag, he’s able to draw a ton of fouls. If paired with a knockdown shooter, he could feast on the short roll due to his combo of passing, handling, and finishing.
• Unproven shooter but his potential is intoxicating when he’s making turnaround jumpers from the elbow area. He has a high, unblockable release and the coordination to unleash tough shots. But his efficiency is an issue.

MINUSES

• Lacks a reliable shot. He’s made just 31.7 percent of catch-and-shoot 3s and only 57.5 percent of his free throws. He has a slow, methodical release off the catch that doesn’t look nearly as fluid as his pull-up. He’s shooting 35.7 percent on pull-up 2s and floaters, but hasn’t taken many pull-up 3s. Without a proven jumper, defenses will dare him to shoot.
• He hasn’t displayed the ability to successfully post up, which would be a valuable tool considering his size. Being able to post up a smaller player or draw double-teams would also mitigate the need for him to improve as a shooter, which is a much tougher task.
• Takes some occasional risks on defense, including mistakenly jumping passing lanes. And he’s not always on point with his fundamentals, such as closing out without proper technique. Then again, his risk-taking is also what makes him so disruptive.

PTS 8.7 .550 TS%
3P% 29.9 67 3PA
REB 6.1 14.4 REB%
STL 1.3 0.7 BLK

The Ringer

He is going to be very good defensively, I think everyone is in agreement there. He is very young and the shooting mechanics don't look broken, he should be able to improve in that area and he could be a nice off the ball player on offense, especially if the shot comes around. He's not your best player but he is one of those guys who could maybe develop into like a 3rd or 4th guy on a team. Lottery worthy imo.

Also I'm going to keep pounding the drum, this is a good draft, above average. I think people are misjudging the talent here vs past drafts.

[WargamesX]

I think he has a great handle for a 6'8 guy at 19 YO. Any wing that manages 4.4 APG and is given the green light to take the ball up court has to have a good handle (At least for his age).

This is draft time which means height exaggerations. I want to see those official measurements. I watched him this entire season and he didn’t look significantly taller than when he started at 6’6.

Also I think the best mock if he becomes a wing is a shorter Nic Batum. If a team develops him into a combo PG he could be Lonzo’lite.

The Ringer's Big Board has a Dyson Daniels comparison of Derrick White as an oversized secondary ballhandler with solid defense and questionable shooting.

Does this feel accurate to you guys?

So I like Dyson, but the more I watch of him the more I think I get why they might be accurate from a role perspective. I think they are off base on that comparison to White though from a player perspective. Even though they are defining Dyson’s game well.

White is enough of a playmaker to operate as a PnR PG and drive to the hoop and dish to a big who rolls to the hoop next to him. Dyson has more in common with big PG’s like Lonzo, Draymond, and Haliburton but unlike those guy his outside shot isn’t good enough to keep his defender from help defending any rollers in the paint and clogging the paint in general. However, Dyson looks and acts stronger than both Lonzo and Haliburton and is willing to post and drive into contact more than both of them. I also expect most his passes to be like theirs to guys on the perimeter or players in the corners shooting the three or transition. Dyson is not going to collapse defenders by driving to the hoop often. He’s going to operate mostly from the perimeter, and has to be able to keep his defender honest with a threat to shoot the three.

I don’t know if Dyson operates as a PG in the league, especially at the beginning of his career. I think he operates as a combo SG guard who could do very well next to ball dominant players but he would need time to get that C&S 3pt shot to be automatic. Without a outside shot to keep his defender on him he is a liability. White isn’t a great shooter, but a good enough overall scorer that defenders can’t play off of him and help defend on Tatum and Jaylen. If Dyson gets his shot right, and finds himself on a team with scorers…. He could evolve into a PG sort of how Draymond is the PG on the warriors, or Haliburton is on the Pacers.

Honestly I think White is a better scorer now that Dyson will likely ever be. However, if that shot doesn’t come around or he gets asked to do too much offensively, he’s not even a PG in this league, he’ll be forced to operate as a Wing.

[shangrila]

This is draft time which means height exaggerations. I want to see those official measurements. I watched him this entire season and he didn’t look significantly taller than when he started at 6’6.

Also I think the best mock if he becomes a wing is a shorter Nic Batum. If a team develops him into a combo PG he could be Lonzo’lite.

The Ringer's Big Board has a Dyson Daniels comparison of Derrick White as an oversized secondary ballhandler with solid defense and questionable shooting.

Does this feel accurate to you guys?

So I like Dyson, but the more I watch of him the more I think I get why they might be accurate from a role perspective. I think they are off base on that comparison to White though from a player perspective. Even though they are defining Dyson’s game well.

White is enough of a playmaker to operate as a PnR PG and drive to the hoop and dish to a big who rolls to the hoop next to him. Dyson has more in common with big PG’s like Lonzo, Draymond, and Haliburton but unlike those guy his outside shot isn’t good enough to keep his defender from help defending any rollers in the paint and clogging the paint in general. However, Dyson looks and acts stronger than both Lonzo and Haliburton and is willing to post and drive into contact more than both of them. I also expect most his passes to be like theirs to guys on the perimeter or players in the corners shooting the three or transition. Dyson is not going to collapse defenders by driving to the hoop often. He’s going to operate mostly from the perimeter, and has to be able to keep his defender honest with a threat to shoot the three.

I don’t know if Dyson operates as a PG in the league, especially at the beginning of his career. I think he operates as a combo SG guard who could do very well next to ball dominant players but he would need time to get that C&S 3pt shot to be automatic. Without a outside shot to keep his defender on him he is a liability. White isn’t a great shooter, but a good enough overall scorer that defenders can’t play off of him and help defend on Tatum and Jaylen. If Dyson gets his shot right, and finds himself on a team with scorers…. He could evolve into a PG sort of how Draymond is the PG on the warriors, or Haliburton is on the Pacers.

Honestly I think White is a better scorer now that Dyson will likely ever be. However, if that shot doesn’t come around or he gets asked to do too much offensively, he’s not even a PG in this league, he’ll be forced to operate as a Wing.

Delon Wright might be a good comp, given size and skillset.

But I'll be honest, it's real hard to take KOC serious after the boner he had for Hayes and the way he turned out.

[Jamaaliver]

But I'll be honest, it's real hard to take KOC serious after the boner he had for Hayes and the way he turned out.

Wait.

Has the NBA already given up on Killian Hayes after 2 seasons?!?