2018 NBA Draft

clyde21 · Post #1801 » by **clyde21** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:29 am

If Steph can beat defenders 1v1 in the NBA consistently I don't see why Doncic can't.

burek3 · Post #1802 » by **burek3** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:57 am

He doesn't penetrate much because grown men don't like 18 year olds playing better than them. It usually ends up with an unsportsmanlike foul, with greater chances of injury.

peZt · Post #1803 » by **peZt** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:06 am

clyde21 wrote:If Steph can beat defenders 1v1 in the NBA consistently I don't see why Doncic can't.

Because Steph is faster, more agile and has maybe the best handles in the game. Not comparable in the slightest

SportsGuy8 · Post #1804 » by **SportsGuy8** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:45 am

burek3 wrote:He doesn't penetrate much because grown men don't like 18 year olds playing better than them. It usually ends up with an unsportsmanlike foul, with greater chances of injury.

Many opponents do seem to actually hate him, but I don't think he's completely innocent/blameless. He is getting quite cocky and even does stare-downs after dunks and blocks. Opponents hating him isn't only about him being better than them while only being 18.

It IS really dangerous how often he gets fouled really hard, though. One day it's going to end badly.

thamadkant · Post #1805 » by **thamadkant** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:31 am

clyde21 wrote:If Steph can beat defenders 1v1 in the NBA consistently I don't see why Doncic can't.

Steph is way quicker.... and craftier...

Doncic is what Ginobili would be if he was stiff and less mobile.... similar vision, offensive awareness and skill sets... but Ginobili is just way more agile.... crafty... hard to predict his movements.

Doncic would need to be crafty to beat fast and quick defenders....

Defensively... he needs a strong TEAM defensive team. One on One and he's cooked meat IMO....

RookieStar · Post #1806 » by **RookieStar** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:53 am

clyde21 wrote:If Steph can beat defenders 1v1 in the NBA consistently I don't see why Doncic can't.

C'mon dude, I like Doncic but asking that question is like... Steph probably has the best ball control/handling I have seen in a while. Plus despite his diminutive size he is deceptively quick.

RookieStar · Post #1807 » by **RookieStar** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:55 am

Mirotic12 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Yeah which is which about that 6'7 or 6'8? For me it doesn't really matter that much because he will play on the perimeter so that extra inch won't matter compared to say playing down low.

Was he measured Euro-style? ( someone said they measure them barefoot ) or NBA ( they measure with shoes on and may/may not add an inch )

Doncic is supposedly,

6-6 1/2 without shoes
6-8 with shoes
6-11 wingspan
230 pounds

Thanks. Well I hope the ones (euro) who measured him are accurate compared to the ones who measured one of my fave magic players . Jameer Nelson as a 6 footer (lol)

Also, what kind of shoes gives you an additional 1-1/2 inch?

peZt · Post #1808 » by **peZt** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:15 pm

RookieStar wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Yeah which is which about that 6'7 or 6'8? For me it doesn't really matter that much because he will play on the perimeter so that extra inch won't matter compared to say playing down low.

Was he measured Euro-style? ( someone said they measure them barefoot ) or NBA ( they measure with shoes on and may/may not add an inch )

Doncic is supposedly,

6-6 1/2 without shoes
6-8 with shoes
6-11 wingspan
230 pounds

Thanks. Well I hope the ones (euro) who measured him are accurate compared to the ones who measured one of my fave magic players . Jameer Nelson as a 6 footer (lol)

Also, what kind of shoes gives you an additional 1-1/2 inch?

Most of the shoes during the combine add 1,25 inches and some 1,5. So if he truly is 6'6.5 without shoes then he'd certainly be listed at 6'8 in the NBA. Which is completely silly to me but that's how it works in the NBA.

The-Power · Post #1809 » by **The-Power** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:37 pm

Upperclass wrote:His ceiling is about equal to his floor.

This must be one of the most ridiculous comments I've ever read. This is true for literally no prospect, ever.

Post #1810 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:55 pm

Guys, we do have a Luca Doncic thread - officially part 2 but some say part 3 - and already on page 91. It's fine if you want to talk about him on this thread, but there is that alternative.

No-Man · Post #1811 » by **No-Man** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:39 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
Marcus wrote:Soooooo the triple J wagon continues to grow

.net's new top five

DeAndre Ayton
Jaren Jackson Jr.
Michael Porter
Marvin Bagley
Luka Doncic

also noteworthy Wendell Carter has leaped past both Mo Bamba and Trae Young according to their mock

It’s ridiculous if Trey Young isn’t a top 5 pick. That should not be allowed.

young can't throw it in the ocean from 3 right now and he's been completely useless at the end of games. his play right now doesn't warrant top 5 considering his other warts.

Lol at changing your board or rankings for a stretch of games one way or another

No-Man · Post #1812 » by **No-Man** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:40 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:Marvin Bagley is so good, but I'm starting to question how valuable he's going to be in the NBA being a primarily post-oriented player that isn't a shut down rim protector.

I think he has shown potential with his perimeter shot and ya he hasnt been great this year when it comes to blocking shot, but he is blocking 1.3 blocks a game in conference play and this is while playing a lot out on the perimeter on the 2-3 zone and playing alongside Carter who is the main rim protector. Ive also heard from multiple people that Bagley has been told by K to focus on rebounds and not contesting shots to stay out of foul trouble. With that said, he still hasnt shown the timing on blocking shots that he showed in high school where he was a good shot blocker and was 3rd in blocked shots in the EYBL.

It's not only that, his timing is indeed bad, it's also the lack of length+lack of strength combo, he isn't gonna be a deterrent at the rim, and his footwork and chops when it comes to perimeter D are really raw, he shows potential at times but it's all over the place in general

No-Man · Post #1813 » by **No-Man** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:43 pm

Alatan wrote:
nolang1 wrote:
Alatan wrote:
Doncic has 0 elite skills and a big weakness in his athletic ability compared to other starting NBA players. How is he a lock to be good/great? He is a lock to be serviceable but far from a certain star in the NBA.

Doncic is a lead guard who's basically PF sized. I don't see how he's less athletic than someone like Joe Johnson, and Doncic is more skilled than that.

Last time i checked 6 7 220 lbs is sf size and are we talking about current Joe that is a 1000 years old and comes of the bench ?

The way guys are measured in the NBA, Doncic is 6'9 230

doordoor123 · Post #1814 » by **doordoor123** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:34 pm

Fischella wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
It’s ridiculous if Trey Young isn’t a top 5 pick. That should not be allowed.

young can't throw it in the ocean from 3 right now and he's been completely useless at the end of games. his play right now doesn't warrant top 5 considering his other warts.

Lol at changing your board or rankings for a stretch of games one way or another

I don’t see why not. People who make the argument not to are ridiculous. The way that I think in particular, I try to look at the situation from every angle and try to contrast my own view. I always try to think about things in a different, fresh perspective. In terms of talent, Young is a top 5 player. But the thing is in relation to the NBA he’s a kind of player that is only valuable if he’s playing his best basketball. With his struggles recently, I’m having a hard time seeing him playing defense consistently or effectively in the NBA and I’m having a hard time thinking his shot is always going to fall. He’s going to be better with an open floor, but so far good defenders who are long are still giving him trouble. And at the next level there will be a guy like that on every team. When you think about the context of how they would translate to the NBA and who they relate to currently in the NBA there is a lot to think about.
To me Isaiah Thomas is a similar player because he can score in big numbers, but when he isn’t effective offensively, he’s just a liability.
Steve Clifford said recently that the reason he hasn’t played Malik Monk is because nowadays it’s hard to give a player a lot of minutes who can’t at least defend a little at the next level because other teams have bigger players in their starting line-ups.
To me, I can’t see Young’s role in the NBA right now. I’m not sure he’s a Starting-level type of player.

RookieStar · Post #1815 » by **RookieStar** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:17 pm

Good thing to all draft prospects is that it is still February. All still have months to go to raise their draft stock. To those being realistic, Trae, Doncic and Bagley for me has their draft stocks plummet these last few games/weeks. JJJ and Carter went up and everyone is circling around MPJ. Any others who you think went up or down?

Post #1816 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:20 pm

RookieStar wrote:Good thing to all draft prospects is that it is still February. All still have months to go to raise their draft stock. To those being realistic, Trae, Doncic and Bagley for me has their draft stocks plummet these last few games/weeks. JJJ and Carter went up and everyone is circling around MPJ. Any others who you think went up or down?

I think Bamba has had a nice steady climb all throughout conference play. If any of these guys have a hot run in the tourney they could easily ride that momentum to the top of the draft.

HeadtopChunes · Post #1817 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:39 pm

I see some Elie Okobo (from France) hype building up, what do you guys think about him?

Mr B · Post #1818 » by **Mr B** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:37 am

RookieStar wrote:Good thing to all draft prospects is that it is still February. All still have months to go to raise their draft stock. To those being realistic, Trae, Doncic and Bagley for me has their draft stocks plummet these last few games/weeks. JJJ and Carter went up and everyone is circling around MPJ. Any others who you think went up or down?

Wendell Carter Jr. has been rising. Not into that top 5 but definitely in the top 10.

RookieStar · Post #1819 » by **RookieStar** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:42 am

Mr B wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Good thing to all draft prospects is that it is still February. All still have months to go to raise their draft stock. To those being realistic, Trae, Doncic and Bagley for me has their draft stocks plummet these last few games/weeks. JJJ and Carter went up and everyone is circling around MPJ. Any others who you think went up or down?

Wendell Carter Jr. has been rising. Not into that top 5 but definitely in the top 10.

He was already in the top 10 before all this.

Mr B · Post #1820 » by **Mr B** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:59 am

RookieStar wrote:
Mr B wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Good thing to all draft prospects is that it is still February. All still have months to go to raise their draft stock. To those being realistic, Trae, Doncic and Bagley for me has their draft stocks plummet these last few games/weeks. JJJ and Carter went up and everyone is circling around MPJ. Any others who you think went up or down?

Wendell Carter Jr. has been rising. Not into that top 5 but definitely in the top 10.

He was already in the top 10 before all this.

Where in the top 10 would you put him?