zzaj wrote:I see a world where Clingan is a better defender and rebounder but I see no world where Clingan is a better offensive player.
That 0 pts 19rebs 3blk statline was funny.
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zzaj wrote:I see a world where Clingan is a better defender and rebounder but I see no world where Clingan is a better offensive player.
zzaj wrote:It's a tossup for me re: Edey and Clingan...
Clingan has not been the same defender since his knee injury, and he has a LOOOOONG way to go on offense and despite his per36 he needs to be a better rebounder. He treats every rebound like it's out of his area. I see a world where Clingan is a better defender and rebounder but I see no world where Clingan is a better offensive player. I would agree that Clingan is less of a matchup liability.
Mostly I'm just happy that both are finding some success, and are showing that Drop bigs can still play in today's NBA.
jasonxxx102 wrote:ItsDanger wrote:The +/- tells you he hasn't been a defensive liability at this point. Overall, I think he's been fine.
Up to this point, 80%+ of his time on the court, he isn't being utilized to his strengths on offense still (initiate post offense and ballscreen). Too often they don't shoot the open 12-15' shot off screening and way too often they settle for a very low % shot instead if just giving it to Edey. Granted, his post offense has been mediocre to this point but he gets limited touches/game there.
Ask yourself, if Edey isn’t a defensive liability, why is he only closing games where the grizzlies are up 20+?
Why is it that the games that are close or they’re losing he’s firmly parked on the bench at the end of the game?
Bucks4005 wrote:jasonxxx102 wrote:ItsDanger wrote:The +/- tells you he hasn't been a defensive liability at this point. Overall, I think he's been fine.
Up to this point, 80%+ of his time on the court, he isn't being utilized to his strengths on offense still (initiate post offense and ballscreen). Too often they don't shoot the open 12-15' shot off screening and way too often they settle for a very low % shot instead if just giving it to Edey. Granted, his post offense has been mediocre to this point but he gets limited touches/game there.
Ask yourself, if Edey isn’t a defensive liability, why is he only closing games where the grizzlies are up 20+?
Why is it that the games that are close or they’re losing he’s firmly parked on the bench at the end of the game?
……… Because the Grizzlies already have a DPOY big to play in crunch times?
I mean, having a better defender at the same position to close out games doesn’t make Edey a bad defender. It just means the Grizzlies have a better defender to play ahead of him. Like, closing a game with Clarke/JJJ at PF/C, yea, I’d chose that defensively too. None of that says Edey is bad at defense, just that the grizzlies have better options
76ciology wrote:Wouldn't Edey have a better chance of winning the scoring battle against Tatum in the post after a switch than Tatum shooting over Edey's 9'6" standing reach?
jasonxxx102 wrote:Bucks4005 wrote:jasonxxx102 wrote:
Ask yourself, if Edey isn’t a defensive liability, why is he only closing games where the grizzlies are up 20+?
Why is it that the games that are close or they’re losing he’s firmly parked on the bench at the end of the game?
……… Because the Grizzlies already have a DPOY big to play in crunch times?
I mean, having a better defender at the same position to close out games doesn’t make Edey a bad defender. It just means the Grizzlies have a better defender to play ahead of him. Like, closing a game with Clarke/JJJ at PF/C, yea, I’d chose that defensively too. None of that says Edey is bad at defense, just that the grizzlies have better options
You know both can be true. Him being a negative defender in most matchups AND the grizzlies having better defenders.
The discourse in this thread just proves most people don’t watch or don’t know what they’re watching.
Bucks4005 wrote:jasonxxx102 wrote:Bucks4005 wrote:
……… Because the Grizzlies already have a DPOY big to play in crunch times?
I mean, having a better defender at the same position to close out games doesn’t make Edey a bad defender. It just means the Grizzlies have a better defender to play ahead of him. Like, closing a game with Clarke/JJJ at PF/C, yea, I’d chose that defensively too. None of that says Edey is bad at defense, just that the grizzlies have better options
You know both can be true. Him being a negative defender in most matchups AND the grizzlies having better defenders.
The discourse in this thread just proves most people don’t watch or don’t know what they’re watching.
Yea, but the original point was that statistically, Edey hasn’t been a liability and has shown well. So the burden of proof that he’s a liability is more on your argument, which is just saying “watch games” when the statistical proof is saying that he isn’t a liability.
No, I haven’t watch Edey, but your argument in itself is flawed. Your original argument was he doesn’t close games so he’s a bad, but the Grizzlies have two better known defending bigs to do that. And the stats say he’s not a liability on that end, so again, your argument now of ‘watch games’ isn’t necessarily backed up by anything but your opinion. Because you Dan watch Edey and say “he’s bad on defense” and someone else can watch and say ‘he’s not a liability” and the factual evidence supports the one who says he’s not a liability.
76ciology wrote:Wouldn't Edey have a better chance of winning the scoring battle against Tatum in the post after a switch than Tatum shooting over Edey's 9'6" standing reach?
JMAC3 wrote:6 games in January, averaging 20 mpg with 5 pts and 5 boards.
76ciology wrote:Wouldn't Edey have a better chance of winning the scoring battle against Tatum in the post after a switch than Tatum shooting over Edey's 9'6" standing reach?
victorhe wrote:You two above are more focused on Zach more than anyone else - and especially on his shortcomings. No body cares though.
76ciology wrote:Wouldn't Edey have a better chance of winning the scoring battle against Tatum in the post after a switch than Tatum shooting over Edey's 9'6" standing reach?
enjoy the wemby show bro. Lol it’s more interesting. Loljasonxxx102 wrote:victorhe wrote:You two above are more focused on Zach more than anyone else - and especially on his shortcomings. No body cares though.
I can't speak for the other guy but I have probably less than 10 posts in this thread.
People just can't come back and face the music after saying the most ridiculous things about this guy. #1 Edey fanboy frodo is nowhere to be found after saying he should have been the #1 pick.
Where are all the people who comped him to Yao?
Just wait until he has a 20 point game, they will all come crawling back in saying how good he is
victorhe wrote:enjoy the wemby show bro. Lol it’s more interesting. Loljasonxxx102 wrote:victorhe wrote:You two above are more focused on Zach more than anyone else - and especially on his shortcomings. No body cares though.
I can't speak for the other guy but I have probably less than 10 posts in this thread.
People just can't come back and face the music after saying the most ridiculous things about this guy. #1 Edey fanboy frodo is nowhere to be found after saying he should have been the #1 pick.
Where are all the people who comped him to Yao?
Just wait until he has a 20 point game, they will all come crawling back in saying how good he is
76ciology wrote:Wouldn't Edey have a better chance of winning the scoring battle against Tatum in the post after a switch than Tatum shooting over Edey's 9'6" standing reach?
JMAC3 wrote:Is anyone taking Edey #1 in a redraft? Top 3? Top 5?
GoBobs wrote:I mean if you are matched up with Sengun and only take 4 shots, with 2 of those being 3s. That kind of lets him off the hook of having to play defense. Memphis needs to be able to go to Edey in the post enough to at least keep the other team from putting somebody small on him.
azcatz11 wrote:GoBobs wrote:I mean if you are matched up with Sengun and only take 4 shots, with 2 of those being 3s. That kind of lets him off the hook of having to play defense. Memphis needs to be able to go to Edey in the post enough to at least keep the other team from putting somebody small on him.
Sounds like a lot of excuses to me
JMAC3 wrote:Castle, Matas, Sarr, Flip, Carrington, Collier, Risacher, Kyshawn, Ware are all passing him by with ease now, guys like Holland, Topic, Dillingham, Reed, Salaun, Walter, Clingan are probably there early next season.
The-Power wrote:JMAC3 wrote:Castle, Matas, Sarr, Flip, Carrington, Collier, Risacher, Kyshawn, Ware are all passing him by with ease now, guys like Holland, Topic, Dillingham, Reed, Salaun, Walter, Clingan are probably there early next season.
A quick look at the post All-Star numbers would reveal that this is just not true. Not all of the players you listed here have actually improved, and certainly not all of them have been better than Edey over that stretch. Far from it.
How that will change over the course of next season and beyond is speculation. Perhaps Edey has a slower growth than others, or perhaps not. Odds are that some players will pass him over time but others also won't.