Zach Edey, 7-4

[Jstock12]

I see a world where Clingan is a better defender and rebounder but I see no world where Clingan is a better offensive player.

That 0 pts 19rebs 3blk statline was funny.

[Big J]

It's a tossup for me re: Edey and Clingan...

Clingan has not been the same defender since his knee injury, and he has a LOOOOONG way to go on offense and despite his per36 he needs to be a better rebounder. He treats every rebound like it's out of his area. I see a world where Clingan is a better defender and rebounder but I see no world where Clingan is a better offensive player. I would agree that Clingan is less of a matchup liability.

Mostly I'm just happy that both are finding some success, and are showing that Drop bigs can still play in today's NBA.

Boban is also a better offensive player than Clingan. Doesn't really mean a whole lot. Way more important for a big to be able to defend in todays league.

[Bucks4005]

The +/- tells you he hasn't been a defensive liability at this point. Overall, I think he's been fine.

Up to this point, 80%+ of his time on the court, he isn't being utilized to his strengths on offense still (initiate post offense and ballscreen). Too often they don't shoot the open 12-15' shot off screening and way too often they settle for a very low % shot instead if just giving it to Edey. Granted, his post offense has been mediocre to this point but he gets limited touches/game there.

Ask yourself, if Edey isn’t a defensive liability, why is he only closing games where the grizzlies are up 20+?

Why is it that the games that are close or they’re losing he’s firmly parked on the bench at the end of the game?

……… Because the Grizzlies already have a DPOY big to play in crunch times?

I mean, having a better defender at the same position to close out games doesn’t make Edey a bad defender. It just means the Grizzlies have a better defender to play ahead of him. Like, closing a game with Clarke/JJJ at PF/C, yea, I’d chose that defensively too. None of that says Edey is bad at defense, just that the grizzlies have better options

[jasonxxx102]

The +/- tells you he hasn't been a defensive liability at this point. Overall, I think he's been fine.

Up to this point, 80%+ of his time on the court, he isn't being utilized to his strengths on offense still (initiate post offense and ballscreen). Too often they don't shoot the open 12-15' shot off screening and way too often they settle for a very low % shot instead if just giving it to Edey. Granted, his post offense has been mediocre to this point but he gets limited touches/game there.

Ask yourself, if Edey isn’t a defensive liability, why is he only closing games where the grizzlies are up 20+?

Why is it that the games that are close or they’re losing he’s firmly parked on the bench at the end of the game?

……… Because the Grizzlies already have a DPOY big to play in crunch times?

I mean, having a better defender at the same position to close out games doesn’t make Edey a bad defender. It just means the Grizzlies have a better defender to play ahead of him. Like, closing a game with Clarke/JJJ at PF/C, yea, I’d chose that defensively too. None of that says Edey is bad at defense, just that the grizzlies have better options

You know both can be true. Him being a negative defender in most matchups AND the grizzlies having better defenders.

The discourse in this thread just proves most people don’t watch or don’t know what they’re watching.

[Bucks4005]

Ask yourself, if Edey isn’t a defensive liability, why is he only closing games where the grizzlies are up 20+?

Why is it that the games that are close or they’re losing he’s firmly parked on the bench at the end of the game?

……… Because the Grizzlies already have a DPOY big to play in crunch times?

I mean, having a better defender at the same position to close out games doesn’t make Edey a bad defender. It just means the Grizzlies have a better defender to play ahead of him. Like, closing a game with Clarke/JJJ at PF/C, yea, I’d chose that defensively too. None of that says Edey is bad at defense, just that the grizzlies have better options

You know both can be true. Him being a negative defender in most matchups AND the grizzlies having better defenders.

The discourse in this thread just proves most people don’t watch or don’t know what they’re watching.

Yea, but the original point was that statistically, Edey hasn’t been a liability and has shown well. So the burden of proof that he’s a liability is more on your argument, which is just saying “watch games” when the statistical proof is saying that he isn’t a liability.

No, I haven’t watch Edey, but your argument in itself is flawed. Your original argument was he doesn’t close games so he’s a bad, but the Grizzlies have two better known defending bigs to do that. And the stats say he’s not a liability on that end, so again, your argument now of ‘watch games’ isn’t necessarily backed up by anything but your opinion. Because you Dan watch Edey and say “he’s bad on defense” and someone else can watch and say ‘he’s not a liability” and the factual evidence supports the one who says he’s not a liability.

[jasonxxx102]

……… Because the Grizzlies already have a DPOY big to play in crunch times?

I mean, having a better defender at the same position to close out games doesn’t make Edey a bad defender. It just means the Grizzlies have a better defender to play ahead of him. Like, closing a game with Clarke/JJJ at PF/C, yea, I’d chose that defensively too. None of that says Edey is bad at defense, just that the grizzlies have better options

You know both can be true. Him being a negative defender in most matchups AND the grizzlies having better defenders.

The discourse in this thread just proves most people don’t watch or don’t know what they’re watching.

Yea, but the original point was that statistically, Edey hasn’t been a liability and has shown well. So the burden of proof that he’s a liability is more on your argument, which is just saying “watch games” when the statistical proof is saying that he isn’t a liability.

No, I haven’t watch Edey, but your argument in itself is flawed. Your original argument was he doesn’t close games so he’s a bad, but the Grizzlies have two better known defending bigs to do that. And the stats say he’s not a liability on that end, so again, your argument now of ‘watch games’ isn’t necessarily backed up by anything but your opinion. Because you Dan watch Edey and say “he’s bad on defense” and someone else can watch and say ‘he’s not a liability” and the factual evidence supports the one who says he’s not a liability.

I hope people have actually been watching Edey play.

It’s almost like I have eyeballs and I can see how big and slow this guy is. Maybe if people weren’t so attached to him being a good NBA player they would see it.

Mighty quiet in here. When is his next game against a bottom dweller? Maybe he can score 20 again to get this hype train back on the tracks to add some more fuel to my hater fire

It’s boring being so right, so early because then everyone just packs up and leaves rather than admitting maybe the hater wasn’t a hater after all and just right?

[JMAC3]

6 games in January, averaging 20 mpg with 5 pts and 5 boards.

[jasonxxx102]

6 games in January, averaging 20 mpg with 5 pts and 5 boards.

While getting absolutely torched on defense.

It's hilarious people still can't figure out why Jenkins isn't playing him more. It's almost as if the Grizzlies want to win games and Edey couldn't even guard me on the perimeter.

How many times did Jalen just blow by him yesterday? 5? 6? At least. Sengun even took Edey off the dribble lol, that should tell you how little opposing teams think of his defensive ability.

[victorhe]

You two above are more focused on Zach more than anyone else - and especially on his shortcomings. No body cares though.

[jasonxxx102]

You two above are more focused on Zach more than anyone else - and especially on his shortcomings. No body cares though.

I can't speak for the other guy but I have probably less than 10 posts in this thread.

People just can't come back and face the music after saying the most ridiculous things about this guy. #1 Edey fanboy frodo is nowhere to be found after saying he should have been the #1 pick.

Where are all the people who comped him to Yao?

Just wait until he has a 20 point game, they will all come crawling back in saying how good he is

[victorhe]

You two above are more focused on Zach more than anyone else - and especially on his shortcomings. No body cares though.

I can't speak for the other guy but I have probably less than 10 posts in this thread.

People just can't come back and face the music after saying the most ridiculous things about this guy. #1 Edey fanboy frodo is nowhere to be found after saying he should have been the #1 pick.

Where are all the people who comped him to Yao?

Just wait until he has a 20 point game, they will all come crawling back in saying how good he is

enjoy the wemby show bro. Lol it’s more interesting. Lol

[jasonxxx102]

You two above are more focused on Zach more than anyone else - and especially on his shortcomings. No body cares though.

I can't speak for the other guy but I have probably less than 10 posts in this thread.

People just can't come back and face the music after saying the most ridiculous things about this guy. #1 Edey fanboy frodo is nowhere to be found after saying he should have been the #1 pick.

Where are all the people who comped him to Yao?

Just wait until he has a 20 point game, they will all come crawling back in saying how good he is

enjoy the wemby show bro. Lol it’s more interesting. Lol

I love Wemby, I catch as many Spurs games as I can Much more enjoyable than Edey for sure.

Will be a fun game tonight!

[The Moose]

Is anyone taking Edey #1 in a redraft? Top 3? Top 5?

I base my retrospective scouting, i.e redrafts, on VORP to remove eye test bias and top 5-7 seems fine to me. He’ll finish 1st or 2nd this season in the class, and there aren’t many names outside of Ware and McCain who are really moving me to shift him down 5+ spots

[The Moose]

He’s struggled pretty badly since coming back from concussion, and is basically being purely used as an offensive rebounder with some catch and shoot 3’s.

I get why they are using him as an offensive rebounder given he’s one of the best off. rebounding prospects of the past 20 years, but he’s basically not a part of the offense at all right now.

He’s definitely struggled to catch the ball in tight spaces so far this season but I’m surprised they haven’t utitlised him more as a lob threat

[GoBobs]

I mean if you are matched up with Sengun and only take 4 shots, with 2 of those being 3s. That kind of lets him off the hook of having to play defense. Memphis needs to be able to go to Edey in the post enough to at least keep the other team from putting somebody small on him.

[azcatz11]

I mean if you are matched up with Sengun and only take 4 shots, with 2 of those being 3s. That kind of lets him off the hook of having to play defense. Memphis needs to be able to go to Edey in the post enough to at least keep the other team from putting somebody small on him.

Sounds like a lot of excuses to me

[GoBobs]

I mean if you are matched up with Sengun and only take 4 shots, with 2 of those being 3s. That kind of lets him off the hook of having to play defense. Memphis needs to be able to go to Edey in the post enough to at least keep the other team from putting somebody small on him.

Sounds like a lot of excuses to me

More just general complaining.

If you get matched up with a player that is smaller and lighter than you, than you want to take him in the post and make it less of a run up and down game.

I think a lot of people envisioned Edey coming off the bench for like 15 min a game in a Boban role where the pace might slow down a little. Grizzlies have the fasted pace in the league and nothing seems to change much based on Edey being in the game or not. I am actually surprised he is doing so well because I thought adjusting to the NBA pace might be one of his bigger challanges.

[JMAC3]

Has Edey improved at all this year? That was the basis of me being lower on him as a 22 yr old draft pick in the first place. If you look over the last 15-20 games there are easily 15+ rookies who have all done things that are far more exciting than what Edey has shown this year. Like sure Edey might still be seen as a better player in this moment in time, but it is only a matter of months before these other young players keep getting better and expanding their games while Edey trots around doing the same thing for the next 6 years.

Castle, Matas, Sarr, Flip, Carrington, Collier, Risacher, Kyshawn, Ware are all passing him by with ease now, guys like Holland, Topic, Dillingham, Reed, Salaun, Walter, Clingan are probably there early next season.

[The-Power]

Castle, Matas, Sarr, Flip, Carrington, Collier, Risacher, Kyshawn, Ware are all passing him by with ease now, guys like Holland, Topic, Dillingham, Reed, Salaun, Walter, Clingan are probably there early next season.

A quick look at the post All-Star numbers would reveal that this is just not true. Not all of the players you listed here have actually improved, and certainly not all of them have been better than Edey over that stretch. Far from it.

How that will change over the course of next season and beyond is speculation. Perhaps Edey has a slower growth than others, or perhaps not. Odds are that some players will pass him over time but others also won't.

[JMAC3]

Castle, Matas, Sarr, Flip, Carrington, Collier, Risacher, Kyshawn, Ware are all passing him by with ease now, guys like Holland, Topic, Dillingham, Reed, Salaun, Walter, Clingan are probably there early next season.

A quick look at the post All-Star numbers would reveal that this is just not true. Not all of the players you listed here have actually improved, and certainly not all of them have been better than Edey over that stretch. Far from it.

How that will change over the course of next season and beyond is speculation. Perhaps Edey has a slower growth than others, or perhaps not. Odds are that some players will pass him over time but others also won't.

Here is the last 15 games for rookies. Edey ranks 19th in ppg.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?CF=GP*GE*6&LastNGames=15&PlayerExperience=Rookie&dir=A&sort=PTS

Guys 2-3 years younger than him already outperforming him is not a good sign for Edey future.