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The-Power wrote:BoyzNTheHood wrote:I’d say something similar to Brandon Jennings or Lou Williams. Small guards who have a score first mentality. 6th men types.
Where would you draft someone who has ‘small score-first 6th man’ as a positive-end outcome?
azcatz11 wrote:The-Power wrote:eminence wrote:Sensabaugh has being growing on me as I've tried to catch up recently, didn't watch much OSU during the year, but I'm liking what I'm seeing.
No concerns about his terrible defense and obvious playmaking limitations? What is the role you see him in at the next level? Clearly he is a FRP with his scoring prowess but it's tough for me to be very high on him because of those concerns and limitations.
OSU played better without him in that big 10 tourney game.
The-Power wrote:BoyzNTheHood wrote:I’d say something similar to Brandon Jennings or Lou Williams. Small guards who have a score first mentality. 6th men types.
Where would you draft someone who has ‘small score-first 6th man’ as a positive-end outcome?
The-Power wrote:eminence wrote:Sensabaugh has being growing on me as I've tried to catch up recently, didn't watch much OSU during the year, but I'm liking what I'm seeing.
No concerns about his terrible defense and obvious playmaking limitations? What is the role you see him in at the next level? Clearly he is a FRP with his scoring prowess but it's tough for me to be very high on him because of those concerns and limitations.
eminence wrote:I think my assessment of his defense was solidly above terrible (not particularly good, but I wasn't worried about his D either, seemed to move alright, plenty strong, positioning below average - but well below worrisome for a freshman with a large offensive role), any particular games I should check out?
Agreed I saw no real playmaking upside. He can get his own and should be a solid spot-up guy. Contributes on the glass for a wing.
EvanZ wrote:eminence wrote:Sensabaugh has being growing on me as I've tried to catch up recently, didn't watch much OSU during the year, but I'm liking what I'm seeing.
You'll like him less as you watch him more.
eminence wrote:EvanZ wrote:eminence wrote:Sensabaugh has being growing on me as I've tried to catch up recently, didn't watch much OSU during the year, but I'm liking what I'm seeing.
You'll like him less as you watch him more.
Funnily enough, I thought of you as I was watching him, thought you'd like him, lol.
I thought he fit well into your 'former fat kid' prospect archetype.
EvanZ wrote:eminence wrote:EvanZ wrote:
You'll like him less as you watch him more.
Funnily enough, I thought of you as I was watching him, thought you'd like him, lol.
I thought he fit well into your 'former fat kid' prospect archetype.
He's still fat.
But yeah, I do "like" him, just not as much as when I first started watching him. He's still probably top 20 easily.
The-Power wrote:eminence wrote:I think my assessment of his defense was solidly above terrible (not particularly good, but I wasn't worried about his D either, seemed to move alright, plenty strong, positioning below average - but well below worrisome for a freshman with a large offensive role), any particular games I should check out?
Agreed I saw no real playmaking upside. He can get his own and should be a solid spot-up guy. Contributes on the glass for a wing.
Well, my concern is that he just cannot guard on the perimeter. He had too many games and situations in which he got blown by very easily. Part of it may be lack of effort but foot speed was certainly a big issue, too. He was even benched for some games after he played some really putrid defense (even though I'm not sure that was the official reason). So I see him as a small 4 in the NBA rather than a wing (like you seem to do) and that's not a positive for his draft stock.
shakes0 wrote:After watching a ton of CBB this year (now that I've accepted that regular season NBA is a total waste of time) my hot take is that I would draft Gradey Dick over both Keyonte George and Nick Smith. Don't think either of those small guards is going to make it in the NBA.
shakes0 wrote:After watching a ton of CBB this year (now that I've accepted that regular season NBA is a total waste of time) my hot take is that I would draft Gradey Dick over both Keyonte George and Nick Smith. Don't think either of those small guards is going to make it in the NBA.
EvanZ wrote:shakes0 wrote:After watching a ton of CBB this year (now that I've accepted that regular season NBA is a total waste of time) my hot take is that I would draft Gradey Dick over both Keyonte George and Nick Smith. Don't think either of those small guards is going to make it in the NBA.
That's not a hot take, but at the same time, we see a guy like Jaden Hardy succeeding in a way that is very similar to how Keyonte George might. Can't write off guys with skill too easily.
Duke4life831 wrote:shakes0 wrote:After watching a ton of CBB this year (now that I've accepted that regular season NBA is a total waste of time) my hot take is that I would draft Gradey Dick over both Keyonte George and Nick Smith. Don't think either of those small guards is going to make it in the NBA.
I dont think the Dick take is all that hot, I mean we got a threaded dedicated to everyone slobbering all over Dick, many on here are high on Dick.
I disagree with the 2nd part though, guys like George and Smith may not be the kind of guys you will consider to be youre #1 guy youre building around, but both guys have shown plenty of flashes all year long of having a pretty damn good offensive skill set. But that's why those guys arent really in discussion for the #1 or #2 picks.
shakes0 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:shakes0 wrote:After watching a ton of CBB this year (now that I've accepted that regular season NBA is a total waste of time) my hot take is that I would draft Gradey Dick over both Keyonte George and Nick Smith. Don't think either of those small guards is going to make it in the NBA.
I dont think the Dick take is all that hot, I mean we got a threaded dedicated to everyone slobbering all over Dick, many on here are high on Dick.
I disagree with the 2nd part though, guys like George and Smith may not be the kind of guys you will consider to be youre #1 guy youre building around, but both guys have shown plenty of flashes all year long of having a pretty damn good offensive skill set. But that's why those guys arent really in discussion for the #1 or #2 picks.
guys with those body types tend to top out as bench players. Very rare that a 6'3 shooting guard becomes a starting level player, let alone a good one. Wouldn't waste a lottery pick on either and probably not a first round pick.
EvanZ wrote:Lately we've had guys like Maxey, Quickley, and now Hardy. Seems like there are quite a few of these 6'3" and under guys that get somewhat underrated nowadays actually.
shakes0 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:shakes0 wrote:After watching a ton of CBB this year (now that I've accepted that regular season NBA is a total waste of time) my hot take is that I would draft Gradey Dick over both Keyonte George and Nick Smith. Don't think either of those small guards is going to make it in the NBA.
I dont think the Dick take is all that hot, I mean we got a threaded dedicated to everyone slobbering all over Dick, many on here are high on Dick.
I disagree with the 2nd part though, guys like George and Smith may not be the kind of guys you will consider to be youre #1 guy youre building around, but both guys have shown plenty of flashes all year long of having a pretty damn good offensive skill set. But that's why those guys arent really in discussion for the #1 or #2 picks.
guys with those body types tend to top out as bench players. Very rare that a 6'3 shooting guard becomes a starting level player, let alone a good one. Wouldn't waste a lottery pick on either and probably not a first round pick.