2020 NBA Draft

[Feel_the_Heat15]

what's are you talking about? Trae is shooting more 3s per game this year vs last year and at a better clip, and yes he's shooting slightly worse from the FT stripe but his FT attempts rate has gone up 75% this year too, and 71.2% from the FT line is still better than Maledon's 64% this season.

Okay, maybe I need to say it again.

Tre Jones, is shooting 3s at a lower rate. Who cares about how many more 3s he averages per game when his shot attempts are up? He's technically less reluctant to shoot 3s this season than last season. Maledon is basically a 73%+ career FT shooter. he could've made 3 more FTs instead of missing 3 of his measly 28 FT attempt sample size and he would've been making 75% of his FTs.

Name me one great active PG that isn't perimeter oriented but can defend and pass.

why does rate even matter in this discussion? the point is that he's shooting more of them and at a better clip than last year by a strong margin, that point is that he's a legit 3pt shooter now, a great improvement from last year when he was only at 26% shooting once a game. the rate per FGs is completely irrelevant, and the FT% is also a strong indicator that he'll be fine as a shooter long term.

and Ricky Rubio for one, and Tre is already probably a better shooter.

Why does rate not matter? Can't a player simply increase the number of 3s they take a game by being on the court more or by looking to shoot more? Just because a player is a good 3-point shooter in college doesn't mean they will be a good 3-point shooter in the NBA. Rubio is barely a great PG and he's one of the best PGs defensively in the NBA so that should tell you how difficult it is for a PG that can't shoot to have a positive impact on his team. Everyone's a good shooter till they get to the NBA.

[Duke4life831]

Okay, maybe I need to say it again.

Tre Jones, is shooting 3s at a lower rate. Who cares about how many more 3s he averages per game when his shot attempts are up? He's technically less reluctant to shoot 3s this season than last season. Maledon is basically a 73%+ career FT shooter. he could've made 3 more FTs instead of missing 3 of his measly 28 FT attempt sample size and he would've been making 75% of his FTs.

Name me one great active PG that isn't perimeter oriented but can defend and pass.

I mean if you're trying to track 3pt progression, I would say this is the best thing to look at.

He's shooting almost 1 more 3 per game, while improving his shooting % 10%. I mean if someone told me player X has improved his shooting from one year to another and I wanted to look at his progression, those are the two stats I would ask to see.

I don't get why his 3pt rate going from 32% to 30% makes his 3pt progression misleading. Also it's very simple as to why his 3pt rate has dropped (2% is pretty miniscule). Tre Jones is asked to run the offense 100% of the time he is out on the court. A good chunk of time last year he roamed on the perimeter letting RJ run the offense. Tre runs it all of the time now, which means he needs to attack off the dribble more. And again we are talking about a drop in just 2% in his 3pt rate, not what I'd call noteworthy.

It's misleading because his 3PT attempts are only up because he takes more shots overall, not because he's become more comfortable from 3PT range. Tell me how him attempting more 3s per game even though he's attempting more shots overall per game is evidence that he's become a better 3-point shooter? Your theory as to why Jones has a lower 3PT rate barely makes sense. He doesn't have to attack more off the dribble. You're also helping my argument, you've just admitted that Jones plays around the perimeter less now.

You seem to be confusing play style vs 3pt ability. What myself and others are arguing is Tre has improved his 3pt shot (his ability to make the shot). Him attempting more 3s and making them at a 10% better clip is a great sign of him improving his 3pt shot. Yet somehow you're saying he hasn't improved his 3pt shot because his 3pt rate went from 32% to 30%, even though he attempts 1 more per game and shoots it 10% better.

Season 1 (36 games) :
27/103 from 3

Season 2 (18 games):
24/66

So in half the games he's almost made as many 3s as he did last year while taking almost 40 less shots to get there. How has he not improved from the 3pt line? I feel like you're arguing just to argue.

[clyde21]

Okay, maybe I need to say it again.

Tre Jones, is shooting 3s at a lower rate. Who cares about how many more 3s he averages per game when his shot attempts are up? He's technically less reluctant to shoot 3s this season than last season. Maledon is basically a 73%+ career FT shooter. he could've made 3 more FTs instead of missing 3 of his measly 28 FT attempt sample size and he would've been making 75% of his FTs.

Name me one great active PG that isn't perimeter oriented but can defend and pass.

why does rate even matter in this discussion? the point is that he's shooting more of them and at a better clip than last year by a strong margin, that point is that he's a legit 3pt shooter now, a great improvement from last year when he was only at 26% shooting once a game. the rate per FGs is completely irrelevant, and the FT% is also a strong indicator that he'll be fine as a shooter long term.

and Ricky Rubio for one, and Tre is already probably a better shooter.

Why does rate not matter? Can't a player simply increase the number of 3s they take a game by being on the court more or by looking to shoot more? Just because a player is a good 3-point shooter in college doesn't mean they will be a good 3-point shooter in the NBA. Rubio is barely a great PG and he's one of the best PGs defensively in the NBA so that should tell you how difficult it is for a PG that can't shoot to have a positive impact on his team. Everyone's a good shooter till they get to the NBA.

because it has nothing to with anything. the point is that his 3pt shooting has improved dramatically this year, so shooting 10% better on an even higher volume reflects that.

like this is pretty simple stuff actually, not sure what you're actually disputing here.

[karkinos]

since when did 3pt rate become a thing

this conversation is hilarious

[Jamaaliver]

[Patrick1978]

Read on Twitter

Magic Front office Jeff Weltman is surely watching Scottie Lewis.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

You seem to be confusing play style vs 3pt ability. What myself and others are arguing is Tre has improved his 3pt shot (his ability to make the shot).

What did I say that misled you to believe that I was confusing play-style with the ability to make 3s? You and others weren't solely discussing Tre's ability to make 3s, we were also discussing the importance of 3-point attempts and 3-point attempt rate.

Him attempting more 3s and making them at a 10% better clip is a great sign of him improving his 3pt shot.

Except an increase in 3PA by itself isn't a strong indication that a player has become more perimeter oriented. You're refusing answer to my questions and ignoring some of my other statements.

Yet somehow you're saying he hasn't improved his 3pt shot because his 3pt rate went from 32% to 30%, even though he attempts 1 more per game and shoots it 10% better.

Never said he didn't improve as a 3-point shooter.

So in half the games he's almost made as many 3s as he did last year while taking almost 40 less shots to get there. How has he not improved from the 3pt line? I feel like you're arguing just to argue.

Hard to argue with someone who doesn't even try to your refute points and tries to put words in your mouth.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

why does rate even matter in this discussion? the point is that he's shooting more of them and at a better clip than last year by a strong margin, that point is that he's a legit 3pt shooter now, a great improvement from last year when he was only at 26% shooting once a game. the rate per FGs is completely irrelevant, and the FT% is also a strong indicator that he'll be fine as a shooter long term.

and Ricky Rubio for one, and Tre is already probably a better shooter.

Why does rate not matter? Can't a player simply increase the number of 3s they take a game by being on the court more or by looking to shoot more? Just because a player is a good 3-point shooter in college doesn't mean they will be a good 3-point shooter in the NBA. Rubio is barely a great PG and he's one of the best PGs defensively in the NBA so that should tell you how difficult it is for a PG that can't shoot to have a positive impact on his team. Everyone's a good shooter till they get to the NBA.

because it has nothing to with anything. the point is that his 3pt shooting has improved dramatically this year, so shooting 10% better on an even higher volume reflects that.

like this is pretty simple stuff actually, not sure what you're actually disputing here.

Where did I say that his 3-point shooting didn't improve? Obviously, it did but you and a few other people are failing to realize that 3PA by itself doesn't give you an accurate idea of how comfortable someone is shooting 3-pointers. 3-point rate has a lot to do with this discussion since it can give you an even better idea of how well a player can space the floor than a basic stat like 3PA. If you and everyone else want to remain ignorant, go ahead.

[Jamaaliver]

Thoughts on this kid?

Read on Twitter

[Feel_the_Heat15]

since when did 3pt rate become a thing

this conversation is hilarious

So because you don't understand a stat, you're laughing at the idea of it being useful? From my viewpoint, this is hilarious.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Thoughts on this kid?

Read on Twitter

Mentioned him like a week ago. Reminds me of Bam Adebayo, wouldn't be shocked if the Heat drafted him.

[clyde21]

Why does rate not matter? Can't a player simply increase the number of 3s they take a game by being on the court more or by looking to shoot more? Just because a player is a good 3-point shooter in college doesn't mean they will be a good 3-point shooter in the NBA. Rubio is barely a great PG and he's one of the best PGs defensively in the NBA so that should tell you how difficult it is for a PG that can't shoot to have a positive impact on his team. Everyone's a good shooter till they get to the NBA.

because it has nothing to with anything. the point is that his 3pt shooting has improved dramatically this year, so shooting 10% better on an even higher volume reflects that.

like this is pretty simple stuff actually, not sure what you're actually disputing here.

Where did I say that his 3-point shooting didn't improve? Obviously, it did but you and a few other people are failing to realize that 3PA by itself doesn't give you an accurate idea of how comfortable someone is shooting 3-pointers. 3-point rate has a lot to do with this discussion since it can give you an even better idea of how well a player can space the floor than a basic stat like 3PA. If you and everyone else want to remain ignorant, go ahead.

you, again, are polluting threads with just nonsense.

let me walk thru this one last time maybe you can get it.

i said: Tre Jones' 3pt shooting has dramatically improved, 10% better on a higher volume

you said: that's misleading because his 3pt rate has gone down

what you said literally has nothing with what i said. either you don't understand my point or you don't understand stats, probably a combination of both.

walk away from this thread because you make it worse for everyone.
Clyde, you know you gotta stop doing that. - Ruz

[clyde21]

since when did 3pt rate become a thing

this conversation is hilarious

So because you don't understand a stat, you're laughing at the idea of it being useful? From my viewpoint, this is hilarious.

i don't think you're in a position to say anyone else doesn't understand a stat after your performance here the last page and a half.
Clyde, you know you gotta stop doing that. - Ruz

[Stillwater]

Damn stat junkies...

[Feel_the_Heat15]

because it has nothing to with anything. the point is that his 3pt shooting has improved dramatically this year, so shooting 10% better on an even higher volume reflects that.

like this is pretty simple stuff actually, not sure what you're actually disputing here.

Where did I say that his 3-point shooting didn't improve? Obviously, it did but you and a few other people are failing to realize that 3PA by itself doesn't give you an accurate idea of how comfortable someone is shooting 3-pointers. 3-point rate has a lot to do with this discussion since it can give you an even better idea of how well a player can space the floor than a basic stat like 3PA. If you and everyone else want to remain ignorant, go ahead.

you, again, are polluting threads with just nonsense.

let me walk thru this one last time maybe you can get it.

i said: Tre Jones' 3pt shooting has dramatically improved, 10% better on a higher volume

you said: that's misleading because his 3pt rate has gone down

what you said literally has nothing with what i said. either you don't understand my point or you don't understand stats, probably a combination of both.

walk away from this thread because you make it worse for everyone.

You keep ignoring my questions.

I'll ask you another one that'll show you how ridiculous your argument is. Based off the stats we've discussed over the last 2 pages, is it more likely that Tre Jones is spacing the court more or less?

[Feel_the_Heat15]

since when did 3pt rate become a thing

this conversation is hilarious

So because you don't understand a stat, you're laughing at the idea of it being useful? From my viewpoint, this is hilarious.

i don't think you're in a position to say anyone else doesn't understand a stat after your performance here the last page and a half.

Says the person who's using 3PA as a barometer of a player's ability to shoot from 3. The same person who thinks that 36% from 3-point range in college will strongly translate to the NBA. Do you know how ridiculous you're sounding? No one actually agrees with you on this stuff, notice how no ones even talked about Tre's 3-point shooting strongly translating to the NBA .

[clyde21]

Where did I say that his 3-point shooting didn't improve? Obviously, it did but you and a few other people are failing to realize that 3PA by itself doesn't give you an accurate idea of how comfortable someone is shooting 3-pointers. 3-point rate has a lot to do with this discussion since it can give you an even better idea of how well a player can space the floor than a basic stat like 3PA. If you and everyone else want to remain ignorant, go ahead.

you, again, are polluting threads with just nonsense.

let me walk thru this one last time maybe you can get it.

i said: Tre Jones' 3pt shooting has dramatically improved, 10% better on a higher volume

you said: that's misleading because his 3pt rate has gone down

what you said literally has nothing with what i said. either you don't understand my point or you don't understand stats, probably a combination of both.

walk away from this thread because you make it worse for everyone.

You keep ignoring my questions.

I'll ask you another one that'll show you how ridiculous your argument is. Based off the stats we've discussed over the last 2 pages, is it more likely that Tre Jones is spacing the court more or less?

i don't care. that was never the topic in the first place. the entire point was to highlight Tre's shooting has improved dramatically from last year. that's it. period. whether you think he's a good enough floor spacer at this point or not is completely irrelevant.

[clyde21]

So because you don't understand a stat, you're laughing at the idea of it being useful? From my viewpoint, this is hilarious.

i don't think you're in a position to say anyone else doesn't understand a stat after your performance here the last page and a half.

Says the person who's using 3PA as a barometer of a player's ability to shoot from 3. The same person who thinks that 36% from 3-point range in college will strongly translate to the NBA. Do you know how ridiculous you're sounding? No one actually agrees with you on this stuff, notice how no ones even talked about Tre's 3-point shooting strongly translating to the NBA .

uhh yes, shooting % and volume % is usually a pretty decent barometer for shooting prowess and a decent gauge for improvement. this is pretty standard stuff.

are you done polluting this thread like you do every single thread you're in?

[Feel_the_Heat15]

you, again, are polluting threads with just nonsense.

let me walk thru this one last time maybe you can get it.

i said: Tre Jones' 3pt shooting has dramatically improved, 10% better on a higher volume

you said: that's misleading because his 3pt rate has gone down

what you said literally has nothing with what i said. either you don't understand my point or you don't understand stats, probably a combination of both.

walk away from this thread because you make it worse for everyone.

You keep ignoring my questions.

I'll ask you another one that'll show you how ridiculous your argument is. Based off the stats we've discussed over the last 2 pages, is it more likely that Tre Jones is spacing the court more or less?

i don't care. that was never the topic in the first place. the entire point was to highlight Tre's shooting has improved dramatically from last year. that's it. period. whether you think he's a good enough floor spacer at this point or not is completely irrelevant.

Everything is irrelevant to you when you can't come up with a good answer. Now spacing is irrelevant. We're talking about Tre's ability to hit 3s which is important for stretching the floor but spacing is now irrelevant. If spacing is irrelevant then Tre's 3-point shooting is irrelevant.

[clyde21]

You keep ignoring my questions.

I'll ask you another one that'll show you how ridiculous your argument is. Based off the stats we've discussed over the last 2 pages, is it more likely that Tre Jones is spacing the court more or less?

i don't care. that was never the topic in the first place. the entire point was to highlight Tre's shooting has improved dramatically from last year. that's it. period. whether you think he's a good enough floor spacer at this point or not is completely irrelevant.

Everything is irrelevant to you when you can't come up with a good answer. Now spacing is irrelevant. We're talking about Tre's ability to hit 3s which is important for stretching the floor but spacing is now irrelevant. If spacing is irrelevant then Tre's 3-point shooting is irrelevant.

lol, time for you to go on ignore.