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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1841 » by shakes0 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:19 am

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You said Miles Bridges is underrated athletically, who says that about Bridges? It's one of his calling cards.


Gotcha. You quoted the entire post, so had no idea what you referring to.

What I meant is he doesn't get the same kind of credit for his athleticism because of his lack of size/length and his build. If he was a legit 6'8 (he's likely closer to 6'6), I think there is no way he falls below the top 5.



I'd bet my mortgage Bridges doesn't get anywhere near the top 5. At best he barely cracks the top 10, at best.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1842 » by The-Power » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:39 pm

I'd like to hear your thoughts on Sam Hauser and Kevin Huerter as potentially valuable role players in the NBA.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1844 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:58 pm

Is anyone else finding it hard to find any late 1st round guys or 2nd round guys to really fall in love with? Usually there are a few guys in every draft that I think are just legit steals and great value, but I'm just having a hard time finding that value in this class. The to closest guys for me is Tyus Battle, I like his size and athleticism, just needs to get a consistent jumper. The other guy is Svi from Kansas. Good size and solid athleticism and the dude is a sharpshooter. Right now those are the only guys that I get excited about later in this draft. I'm just so meh on this draft's depth for some reason.
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Post#1845 » by No-Man » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:07 pm

I like a bunch of guys but most of them won't declare, so overall I guess I will agree
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Post#1846 » by CP War Hawks » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:46 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:Is anyone else finding it hard to find any late 1st round guys or 2nd round guys to really fall in love with?



You just have to wait and see who officially declares. Before then, there is always a prospect or two that impresses during tournament time. There should be a few international prospects that shine in workouts.

The anemic depth for 2019 could play a role.
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Post#1847 » by The-Power » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:36 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:Is anyone else finding it hard to find any late 1st round guys or 2nd round guys to really fall in love with? Usually there are a few guys in every draft that I think are just legit steals and great value, but I'm just having a hard time finding that value in this class. The to closest guys for me is Tyus Battle, I like his size and athleticism, just needs to get a consistent jumper. The other guy is Svi from Kansas. Good size and solid athleticism and the dude is a sharpshooter. Right now those are the only guys that I get excited about later in this draft. I'm just so meh on this draft's depth for some reason.

I'd probably name Aaron Holiday, De'Anthony Melton, Grayson Allen, Josh Okogie and Sagaba Konate as guys I would really take a good look at when drafting in that range. Possibly Ajdin Penava but he's just too tough to evaluate for me.

Not sure if they have what it takes for the next level, but Sam Hauser and Kevin Huerter could potentially develop into valuable rotational pieces because of their shooting and I love me some great shooting in the NBA. Not sure about picks in the range you mentioned, though. Still hope for someone to educate me on them given that I haven't really seen much of them this year. Same for Killian Tillie if he can get stronger.

Do you have a list of players you consider ‘locks‘ to be drafted before the end of the first round? This might help to see which players outside of those locks are available – I'm sure there are two or three players I really like that I just happen to rank too high to name now.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1848 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:43 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:Is anyone else finding it hard to find any late 1st round guys or 2nd round guys to really fall in love with?



You just have to wait and see who officially declares. Before then, there is always a prospect or two that impresses during tournament time. There should be a few international prospects that shine in workouts.

The anemic depth for 2019 could play a role.

True. I am utterly fascinated with Ajdin Penava but figure it's likely he stays at Marshall unless someone guarantees him a 1st round spot. Same with Jontay Porter, and he might need a higher guarantee. And I do like a few players projected for the 2nd round - Bates-Diop, Shake Milton, Melvin Frazier and Bonzi Colson.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1849 » by No-Man » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:46 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:Is anyone else finding it hard to find any late 1st round guys or 2nd round guys to really fall in love with? Usually there are a few guys in every draft that I think are just legit steals and great value, but I'm just having a hard time finding that value in this class. The to closest guys for me is Tyus Battle, I like his size and athleticism, just needs to get a consistent jumper. The other guy is Svi from Kansas. Good size and solid athleticism and the dude is a sharpshooter. Right now those are the only guys that I get excited about later in this draft. I'm just so meh on this draft's depth for some reason.

I'd probably name Aaron Holiday, De'Anthony Melton, Grayson Allen, Josh Okogie and Sagaba Konate as guys I would really take a good look at when drafting in that range. Possibly Ajdin Penava but he's just too tough to evaluate for me.

Not sure if they have what it takes for the next level, but Sam Hauser and Kevin Huerter could potentially develop into valuable rotational pieces because of their shooting and I love me some great shooting in the NBA. Not sure about picks in the range you mentioned, though. Still hope for someone to educate me on them given that I haven't really seen much of them this year. Same for Killian Tillie if he can get stronger.

Do you have a list of players you consider ‘locks‘ to be drafted before the end of the first round? This might help to see which players outside of those locks are available – I'm sure there are two or three players I really like that I just happen to rank too high to name now.


Don't think Konate and Okogie declare, Penava doesn't have enough presence and Holiday might wait another year too

Hauser and Huerter are def not declaring lol, Tillie is another that I think returns to school.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1850 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:54 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:Is anyone else finding it hard to find any late 1st round guys or 2nd round guys to really fall in love with? Usually there are a few guys in every draft that I think are just legit steals and great value, but I'm just having a hard time finding that value in this class. The to closest guys for me is Tyus Battle, I like his size and athleticism, just needs to get a consistent jumper. The other guy is Svi from Kansas. Good size and solid athleticism and the dude is a sharpshooter. Right now those are the only guys that I get excited about later in this draft. I'm just so meh on this draft's depth for some reason.

I'd probably name Aaron Holiday, De'Anthony Melton, Grayson Allen, Josh Okogie and Sagaba Konate as guys I would really take a good look at when drafting in that range. Possibly Ajdin Penava but he's just too tough to evaluate for me.

Not sure if they have what it takes for the next level, but Sam Hauser and Kevin Huerter could potentially develop into valuable rotational pieces because of their shooting and I love me some great shooting in the NBA. Still hope for someone to educate me on them given that I haven't really seen much of them this year. Same for Killian Tillie if he can get stronger.

Do you have a list of players you consider ‘locks‘ to be drafted before the end of the first round? This might help to see which players outside of those locks are available – I'm sure there are two or three players I really like that I just happen to rank too high to name now.


I get those guys, especially my bias towards Grayson. I think Grayson has a chance to really shock people with his ability to move off the ball and his ability to shoot coming off curls and on the move in general. But even then Im not seeing a guy with tremendous value, I see him as a borderline 1st round pick so I think his value is solid.

Compared to last year and I know last year's draft was really really deep, but I mean you had guys like OG, Jarrett Allen and Hart go mid to late 20s. To me all those guys were tremendous value and thats not including guys like Semi, Bell and Brooks who all went in the 2nd round and myself and many others knew those guys values were tremendous and they had steals written all over them. Even the weak 2016 draft I liked that 20-45 group much better than this year's.

This year I just feel like picks 20-30 feel like they should be 30-40 if you get what I mean. For instance I just pulled up a random mock draft
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-a-full-60-pick-nba-mock-draft/
and most mock drafts look similar towards the end of the 1st and the start of the 2nd, the names just tend to be arranged differently. Again Grayson Allen at 27 is okay, I think his value looks a lot better at 37. Trent at 30, again value feels more like 40. Basically what Im saying is I just feel like this draft is missing that good solid mid 1st round talent and that has bumped all these later guys 10 or so picks higher than what their value feels like.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1851 » by The-Power » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:02 pm

Fischella wrote:Don't think Konate and Okogie declare, Penava doesn't have enough presence and Holiday might wait another year too

Hauser and Huerter are def not declaring lol, Tillie is another that I think returns to school.

You're probably right. I tend to treat most players as potentially available unless I've heard otherwise, even though I realize many of them won't declare eventually.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1852 » by blazeyo » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:05 pm

What about Gary Clark?
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Post#1853 » by The-Power » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:13 pm

Duke4life831 wrote: Again Grayson Allen at 27 is okay, I think his value looks a lot better at 37. Trent at 30, again value feels more like 40.

On a different note: assuming the Warriors are looking to get a SG/SF with shooting ability with their pick, who do you like for them? Allen? Trent? Musa? Someone else?
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Post#1854 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:23 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote: Again Grayson Allen at 27 is okay, I think his value looks a lot better at 37. Trent at 30, again value feels more like 40.

On a different note: assuming the Warriors are looking to get a SG/SF with shooting ability with their pick, who do you like for them? Allen? Trent? Musa? Someone else?


Gary Trent would be a horrific fit. He slides well off the ball but doesnt move well. Basically he is great at making the adjustments to get open in that 4-5ft radius, so he moves well while in the corner and sliding to stay in an open passing lane, but he doesnt move well either than that, you dont see him coming off screens and curling all that hard. Plus he's a ball stopper. I do think Grayson fits perfectly as a backup to Klay. You can plug Grayson in and that dude is going to move off the ball very well right away.

Musa on the other hand, Im not ashamed to admit I know very little with international guys except for maybe 1-2 games and some youtube videos. From what Ive seen form Musa is he is another guy that moves well off the ball, looks to be more versatile than Grayson because of his height. Doesnt appear to be as good of a pure shooter as Grayson is though. So of course as a Duke fan I would love to see Grayson go to GS, but I can see GS having Musa higher on their draft board because of that height and versatility plus again moving off the ball is huge for GS and it appears Musa does that very well.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1855 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:40 pm

blazeyo wrote:What about Gary Clark?

He's old, but I think he'll stick in the NBA because of his defense, and he's starting to make 3's. If he's still available at 55, I bet San Antonio picks him.
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Post#1856 » by eminence » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:25 pm

blazeyo wrote:What about Gary Clark?


Love Gary Clark. I'd take him in the first round.
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Post#1857 » by SeattleJazzFan » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:18 am

I agree that Gary Clark is a late first prospect.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1858 » by Sinceday1 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:43 am

Duke4life831 wrote:Is anyone else finding it hard to find any late 1st round guys or 2nd round guys to really fall in love with? Usually there are a few guys in every draft that I think are just legit steals and great value, but I'm just having a hard time finding that value in this class. The to closest guys for me is Tyus Battle, I like his size and athleticism, just needs to get a consistent jumper. The other guy is Svi from Kansas. Good size and solid athleticism and the dude is a sharpshooter. Right now those are the only guys that I get excited about later in this draft. I'm just so meh on this draft's depth for some reason.



Caleb Martin is a guy that gets slept on. Unfortunately he was recently injured.

https://www.a1squad.com/single-post/2018/02/06/Everything-You-Wanted-To-Know-About-Caleb-Martin-VS-Colorado-State

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.coloradoan.com/amp/330548002
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1859 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:49 am

Sinceday1 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:Is anyone else finding it hard to find any late 1st round guys or 2nd round guys to really fall in love with? Usually there are a few guys in every draft that I think are just legit steals and great value, but I'm just having a hard time finding that value in this class. The to closest guys for me is Tyus Battle, I like his size and athleticism, just needs to get a consistent jumper. The other guy is Svi from Kansas. Good size and solid athleticism and the dude is a sharpshooter. Right now those are the only guys that I get excited about later in this draft. I'm just so meh on this draft's depth for some reason.



Caleb Martin is a guy that gets slept on. Unfortunately he was recently injured.

https://www.a1squad.com/single-post/2018/02/06/Everything-You-Wanted-To-Know-About-Caleb-Martin-VS-Colorado-State

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.coloradoan.com/amp/330548002


It depends on what you mean as slept on. What value do you think he has and what value do you think he should have? To me he has the proper value which is borderline late 2nd rounder-undrafted. Ive seen plenty of Calen Martin from his ACC days and he is an undersized 3 that isnt the most athletic and has a shot that comes and goes. I get his shot has been good this year but I dont think anyone should expect him to be a dead eye shooter or anything like that. If he was longer and say 6'9 then I think you might be onto something. But I think you can go to most G League teams and see multiple players like Caleb Martin.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft 

Post#1860 » by doordoor123 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:13 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
Sinceday1 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:Is anyone else finding it hard to find any late 1st round guys or 2nd round guys to really fall in love with? Usually there are a few guys in every draft that I think are just legit steals and great value, but I'm just having a hard time finding that value in this class. The to closest guys for me is Tyus Battle, I like his size and athleticism, just needs to get a consistent jumper. The other guy is Svi from Kansas. Good size and solid athleticism and the dude is a sharpshooter. Right now those are the only guys that I get excited about later in this draft. I'm just so meh on this draft's depth for some reason.



Caleb Martin is a guy that gets slept on. Unfortunately he was recently injured.

https://www.a1squad.com/single-post/2018/02/06/Everything-You-Wanted-To-Know-About-Caleb-Martin-VS-Colorado-State

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.coloradoan.com/amp/330548002


It depends on what you mean as slept on. What value do you think he has and what value do you think he should have? To me he has the proper value which is borderline late 2nd rounder-undrafted. Ive seen plenty of Calen Martin from his ACC days and he is an undersized 3 that isnt the most athletic and has a shot that comes and goes. I get his shot has been good this year but I dont think anyone should expect him to be a dead eye shooter or anything like that. If he was longer and say 6'9 then I think you might be onto something. But I think you can go to most G League teams and see multiple players like Caleb Martin.


Agree 100%. Personally not a fan of him.

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