Future draft classes

[Marcus]

Lets be honest now, now that you read it. That is all you can think of and you know exactly what Im talking about haha.

Sir, not only is that true but it will be going forward anytime I see him in a highlight. He will now and forever in my head pull up to the gym on a tricked out Huffy with "CHET" on the personalized plate, wearing an oversized letterman's jacket that stays on until tip-off (yes that includes warm-ups), and he'll mean mug the crowd home or away after every free throw he makes.

Im picturing the classic snow movie where the jerk challenges the nerd to a ski competition and whoever wins gets the girl haha.



"Why dont we race down Death Peak, unless you're too chicken."
The dude on the left, classic Chet haha.

Chet has definitely challenged teammates to some intense games of HORSE or the even smaller margin for error contest of PIG

[clyde21]

first time I really sit down and watch some Evan Mobley extensively...holy **** is this guy legit...might be my favorite HS big in years. wow.

[Marcus]

first time I really sit down and watch some Evan Mobley extensively...holy **** is this guy legit...might be my favorite HS big in years. wow.

Yeah bro he's more than just taller than his competition, his game understanding is very high, paced well for a big, nothing forced, and more than willing on defense. He has to add size to play the five in the league but the kid is legit.

On the contrary, watched some Makur Maker, not sure I've seen too many kids give less of AF on the court. He might have well have not suited up.

[clyde21]

first time I really sit down and watch some Evan Mobley extensively...holy **** is this guy legit...might be my favorite HS big in years. wow.

Yeah bro he's more than just taller than his competition, his game understanding is very high, paced well for a big, nothing forced, and more than willing on defense. He has to add size to play the five in the league but the kid is legit.

On the contrary, watched some Makur Maker, not sure I've seen too many kids give less of AF on the court. He might have well have not suited up.

oh yea, supremely skilled, long, quick, high IQ, fits the modern game, etc...Bol is probably the most skilled big i've seen in HS but Mobley is up there too.

[Marcus]

first time I really sit down and watch some Evan Mobley extensively...holy **** is this guy legit...might be my favorite HS big in years. wow.

Yeah bro he's more than just taller than his competition, his game understanding is very high, paced well for a big, nothing forced, and more than willing on defense. He has to add size to play the five in the league but the kid is legit.

On the contrary, watched some Makur Maker, not sure I've seen too many kids give less of AF on the court. He might have well have not suited up.

oh yea, supremely skilled, long, quick, high IQ, fits the modern game, etc...Bol is probably the most skilled big i've seen in HS but Mobley is up there too.

He'll have a showcase year next year with big bro and then its off to the league. How sick is that 21 class looking though.....ridiculous

[clyde21]

Yeah bro he's more than just taller than his competition, his game understanding is very high, paced well for a big, nothing forced, and more than willing on defense. He has to add size to play the five in the league but the kid is legit.

On the contrary, watched some Makur Maker, not sure I've seen too many kids give less of AF on the court. He might have well have not suited up.

oh yea, supremely skilled, long, quick, high IQ, fits the modern game, etc...Bol is probably the most skilled big i've seen in HS but Mobley is up there too.

He'll have a showcase year next year with big bro and then its off to the league. How sick is that 21 class looking though.....ridiculous

yeah, the top looks pretty ridiculous at least

[Marcus]

Michael "Manchild" Foster 6'8" 220 (probably bigger than that)

for those familiar with and his game I'm trying to find something comparable in the league right now. Morris twin with a better post and less ISO off the bounce. Does he look like a PRO to any of you?

[Duke4life831]

first time I really sit down and watch some Evan Mobley extensively...holy **** is this guy legit...might be my favorite HS big in years. wow.

Yeah bro he's more than just taller than his competition, his game understanding is very high, paced well for a big, nothing forced, and more than willing on defense. He has to add size to play the five in the league but the kid is legit.

On the contrary, watched some Makur Maker, not sure I've seen too many kids give less of AF on the court. He might have well have not suited up.

I haven't caught too much of his yet, but I will say 1 thing that has stood out to me the time I have seen him. He seems to actually enjoy the game of basketball. I get that sounds like a pretty dumb thing to say, but it does seem as late that a lot of these talented bigs seem to lack the desire/motor to play the game and they only play it because of their size. The times I have seen Mobley play, it does appear that he really enjoys the game. Someone as big and coordinated as him, plus a good work ethic and motor, is pretty scary.

[Marcus]

first time I really sit down and watch some Evan Mobley extensively...holy **** is this guy legit...might be my favorite HS big in years. wow.

Yeah bro he's more than just taller than his competition, his game understanding is very high, paced well for a big, nothing forced, and more than willing on defense. He has to add size to play the five in the league but the kid is legit.

On the contrary, watched some Makur Maker, not sure I've seen too many kids give less of AF on the court. He might have well have not suited up.

I haven't caught too much of his yet, but I will say 1 thing that has stood out to me the time I have seen him. He seems to actually enjoy the game of basketball. I get that sounds like a pretty dumb thing to say, but it does seem as late that a lot of these talented bigs seem to lack the desire/motor to play the game and they only play it because of their size. The times I have seen Mobley play, it does appear that he really enjoys the game. Someone as big and coordinated as him, plus a good work ethic and motor, is pretty scary.

doesn't sound dumb at all. Like i said in the post you quoted Makur Maker CLEARLY does not care to play at all. So to have a kid with that much talent that actually wants to play is a bonus. Seems to be prevalent through the class when you look at Cade, TCleezy, Scottie Barnes, Moody, Jalen Green, and Mobley to name a few. It's a really important trait to have, it's how someone as talented as Cam Reddish doesn't completely outshine an RJ Barrett.

All Evan needs to do is add size and keep expanding on his skillset. Kid looks the part of a stud.

[Duke4life831]

Yeah bro he's more than just taller than his competition, his game understanding is very high, paced well for a big, nothing forced, and more than willing on defense. He has to add size to play the five in the league but the kid is legit.

On the contrary, watched some Makur Maker, not sure I've seen too many kids give less of AF on the court. He might have well have not suited up.

I haven't caught too much of his yet, but I will say 1 thing that has stood out to me the time I have seen him. He seems to actually enjoy the game of basketball. I get that sounds like a pretty dumb thing to say, but it does seem as late that a lot of these talented bigs seem to lack the desire/motor to play the game and they only play it because of their size. The times I have seen Mobley play, it does appear that he really enjoys the game. Someone as big and coordinated as him, plus a good work ethic and motor, is pretty scary.

doesn't sound dumb at all. Like i said in the post you quoted Makur Maker CLEARLY does not care to play at all. So to have a kid with that much talent that actually wants to play is a bonus. Seems to be prevalent through the class when you look at Cade, TCleezy, Scottie Barnes, Moody, Jalen Green, and Mobley to name a few. It's a really important trait to have, it's how someone as talented as Cam Reddish doesn't completely outshine an RJ Barrett.

All Evan needs to do is add size and keep expanding on his skillset. Kid looks the part of a stud.

Ya there is a long line of guys like Cam, Wiggins, Ayton, all the Makers and so on. It really seems that we see it a lot with bigs. So that is why he stood out to me, I remember thinking to myself, "its refreshing to see a big this big and coordinated that actually seems to enjoy playing."

Ya either than Maker, the next class seems to check all of the boxes. Cant wait to see them on a bigger stage.

[clyde21]

well see what happens but Maker will probably be in '20 draft instead

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27866921/no-10-recruit-makur-maker-petitions-eligible-2020-nba-draft

[Marcus]

well see what happens but Maker will probably be in '20 draft instead

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27866921/no-10-recruit-makur-maker-petitions-eligible-2020-nba-draft

still the best move for him. no need getting lost in the shuffle of what should be some pretty stellar classes over the next couple of years especially after the OAD rule is abolished.

[Marcus]

Pure impatience talking (because i'll see for myself when he touches down at OK State) and this is indeed a serious question for those who have more insight than I've been privy to. What separates Cade Cunningham from Luka outside of accolades and the jumper (which seems to be coming around)?


Flame away....

[baldur]

so 2021 draft will be amazing? is this the consensus for the time being?

[clyde21]

so 2021 draft will be amazing? is this the consensus for the time being?

at least the top10, yes, 2021 looks stupid strong, especially at the wings/forwards.

[Marcus]

so 2021 draft will be amazing? is this the consensus for the time being?

as it currently stands yes. good mix of potential and ready now, don't see too many kids playing themselves out of the conversation and some of the ones outside the lotto have a chance to play themselves into it.

[Duke4life831]

I think it looks really good right now. If Kuminga finally reclassifies then I think it becomes an epic class.

Mobley: big long athletic 7 footer that is pretty damn skilled already.
Cade: very big PG that is extremely smart and just plays the game at anther level
Kumimga: what's not to like about this guy. 6'9 with a 7 foot wingspan and already very strong. Fantastic athlete with a very workable jumper
Green: fantastic slashing SG with good size and freakish athleticism.
Clarke: the prototypical scoring wing. Fantastic size, bouncy with a very workable jumper.
Johnson: fantastic point forward. Maybe the most gifted passer in the class and he is 6'9. Bad results on his jumper so far, but the form is good.

That to me would be my top 6 from the class and at the moment, looks like a freakishly good top 6. I also think the depth is pretty solid as well.

[The-Power]

What separates Cade Cunningham from Luka outside of accolades and the jumper (which seems to be coming around)?

Luka appears to be a generational prospect, and I think comparisons to these type of players are always premature when we're talking about HS players.

From what I've seen, Cade doesn't have Luka's shot, doesn't have his touch either (through contact, on floaters, lay-ups), not as big, not as crafty and fundamentally sound, and as much potential as Cade has as a playmaker, I don't see him having Luka's vision and anticipation (which isn't to say that it's not great for his age, but there's maybe a handful of NBA players who can hang with 20 year old Luka Doncic in this regard, so any prospect will naturally lose this comparison).

We have to see how Cade develops of course, it's tough to say at this point when we haven't even seen him against college competition, let alone in the NBA. And I say that as a huge Cade fan, for what it's worth.

[Illmatic12]

Pure impatience talking (because i'll see for myself when he touches down at OK State) and this is indeed a serious question for those who have more insight than I've been privy to. What separates Cade Cunningham from Luka outside of accolades and the jumper (which seems to be coming around)?


Flame away....

Not gonna flame ya but, yeah there’s definitely clear separation between them.

Cade is a maestro PnR operator. Luka is a PnR maestro AND an elite off-dribble jumpshooter.

Luka’s off-dribble stuff stretches defenses on a different level, he forces them to go over the screen every single time even from 25+ ft. My guess is that NBA defenses will still go under the screen on Cade some of the time , I know he’s really improved his jumpshooting but it seems unlikely he’ll ever be an *elite* pull-up threat from deep.

[Marcus]

What separates Cade Cunningham from Luka outside of accolades and the jumper (which seems to be coming around)?

Luka appears to be a generational prospect, and I think comparisons to these type of players are always premature when we're talking about HS players.

From what I've seen, Cade doesn't have Luka's shot, doesn't have his touch either (through contact, on floaters, lay-ups), not as big, not as crafty and fundamentally sound, and as much potential as Cade has as a playmaker, I don't see him having Luka's vision and anticipation (which isn't to say that it's not great for his age, but there's maybe a handful of NBA players who can hang with 20 year old Luka Doncic in this regard, so any prospect will naturally lose this comparison).

We have to see how Cade develops of course, it's tough to say at this point when we haven't even seen him against college competition, let alone in the NBA. And I say that as a huge Cade fan, for what it's worth.

yeah i figured he'd be behind with everything if we're talking Luka now. Still trying to get an understanding on Cade and what his trajectory might be. I'm guessing the Brandon Roy comp is about as close as it's gonna get until i see him for myself. I can't really gage off of what i'm seeing at Verde because he's clearly next level compared to his peers on that level.