2018 NBA Draft

eminence · Post #1881 » by **eminence** » Sun Mar 4, 2018 4:14 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:I want Khyri Thomas on the Jazz. I think he's moved himself into 15-20 range. Just has so many positives as a prospect. really the only glaring weakness being that he's not great at creating his own offense. But i think you put him next to Mitchell, in the Jazz offense, he would be lights out.

Really not feeling him. His lack of on ball ability for a guy his size is just a major turn-off for me.

doordoor123 · Post #1882 » by **doordoor123** » Sun Mar 4, 2018 7:00 pm

eminence wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:I want Khyri Thomas on the Jazz. I think he's moved himself into 15-20 range. Just has so many positives as a prospect. really the only glaring weakness being that he's not great at creating his own offense. But i think you put him next to Mitchell, in the Jazz offense, he would be lights out.

Really not feeling him. His lack of on ball ability for a guy his size is just a major turn-off for me.

I get what you’re saying, but he’s a really good defender and can shoot threes. He’s also quick in a straight line and a solid finisher. Probably not a first round pick, but he’s going to carve a role in the NBA.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #1883 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Sun Mar 4, 2018 7:26 pm

eminence wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:I want Khyri Thomas on the Jazz. I think he's moved himself into 15-20 range. Just has so many positives as a prospect. really the only glaring weakness being that he's not great at creating his own offense. But i think you put him next to Mitchell, in the Jazz offense, he would be lights out.

Really not feeling him. His lack of on ball ability for a guy his size is just a major turn-off for me.

i don't disagree that is a weakness, but he does too many other things well, including his physical attributes. if he had the on ball ability you're referring to, he'd be a top 10 pick. maybe top 5.

Also, that's definitely a skill that can be improved.

Catchall · Post #1884 » by **Catchall** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 7:49 am

I need to watch Khyri Thomas some more, but I'm not seeing him as a top-20 pick right now. Bruce Brown from Miami does a lot of the same things and seems a more dynamic athlete and player overall.

Post #1885 » by **GimmeDat** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 10:45 am

Catchall wrote:I need to watch Khyri Thomas some more, but I'm not seeing him as a top-20 pick right now. Bruce Brown from Miami does a lot of the same things and seems a more dynamic athlete and player overall.

That's true, but the difference is that Thomas is a high level shooter (41% from 3 over 3 seasons), compared to Brown who has regressed all the way to 27% from 3 this season. I love Brown's dynamism but if he can't shoot the 3 he's going to struggle to find much of a role at the next level. He's had such a disappointing season, and not just from 3.

zzaj · Post #1886 » by **zzaj** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 5:59 pm

It's been a couple weeks since he's been discussed, I'm wondering if anyone has any new thoughts on Melvin Frazier. I keep expecting him to break out a little bit, but that doesn't seem to be the case. 2nd rounder?

SeattleJazzFan · Post #1887 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 7:35 pm

Catchall wrote:I need to watch Khyri Thomas some more, but I'm not seeing him as a top-20 pick right now. Bruce Brown from Miami does a lot of the same things and seems a more dynamic athlete and player overall.

Bruce Brown isn't near the shooter Thomas is. also doesn't have his length. but the difference shooting/scoring makes it a comparison that can't really even be made. they should never be mentioned in the same sentence.

Post #1888 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 7:52 pm

zzaj wrote:It's been a couple weeks since he's been discussed, I'm wondering if anyone has any new thoughts on Melvin Frazier. I keep expecting him to break out a little bit, but that doesn't seem to be the case. 2nd rounder?

Right, he hasn't broken out big, but he has still played pretty well. I'm still very high on him and consider him too good to last till the 2nd round in this draft.

doordoor123 · Post #1889 » by **doordoor123** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 7:59 pm

zzaj wrote:It's been a couple weeks since he's been discussed, I'm wondering if anyone has any new thoughts on Melvin Frazier. I keep expecting him to break out a little bit, but that doesn't seem to be the case. 2nd rounder?

I mean he’s playing pretty well. He’s a defensive player more than an offensive player, but isn’t going to “breakout” because he’s mainly an athletic 3&D player without really any interesting skills other than being long and able to finish pretty well. He has clearly more room for growth and could be a steal just because he has high upside still. On my current board not posted on here I have him 19. He’s a safe pick that can contribute now with 3&D and could grow. If he doesn’t grow as a player he still has starter potential as a defender who can make threes.

zzaj · Post #1890 » by **zzaj** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 8:45 pm

Thanks for the input on Frazier. What would be a reasonable comp for him. Maybe Danny Green?

doordoor123 · Post #1891 » by **doordoor123** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 9:23 pm

zzaj wrote:Thanks for the input on Frazier. What would be a reasonable comp for him. Maybe Danny Green?

More like a bigger Josh Richardson. The more I think about him, the more I think he might be underrated. He finishes with contact and dunks over guys. Like he’s really athletic, he’s strong, has length and can shoot. He has all-star type potential. If he were in a better conference against better teams and he was two years younger doing this he might be a lottery pick. I can’t say for sure that either of the Bridges have more potential than this guy. I think him and Gafford have similar upside for their positions, but his age/conference drops him a bit.

Post #1892 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 9:28 pm

zzaj wrote:Thanks for the input on Frazier. What would be a reasonable comp for him. Maybe Danny Green?

Yes, I was a huge Danny Green fan when he was the 6th man for UNC and even after he was let go a couple times in the NBA. Not sure Frazier's going to be quite the 3 point shooter Green is, but he's a more explosive finisher.

Post #1893 » by **GimmeDat** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 7:06 am

Frazier's got tonnes of potential, I like him a bunch. Interested to see whether his shooting jump is legit and whether he has the offensive polish necessary to be a quality role player in the NBA. But the tools I love.

yoyoboy · Post #1894 » by **yoyoboy** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 7:20 am

My current big board:

Tier 1:
1. Luka Doncic
2. DeAndre Ayton
3. Jaren Jackson Jr (to be honest part of me wants to put him 2nd over Ayton)

Tier 2:
4. Trae Young
5. Michael Porter

Tier 3:
6. Mohamed Bamba
7. Mikal Bridges

Tier 4:
8. Wendell Carter
9. Marvin Bagley

Tier 5:
10. Lonnie Walker
11. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
12. Troy Brown
13. Jontay Porter
14. Gary Trent Jr
15. Zhaire Smith

Tier 6:
16. Daniel Gafford
17. Kevin Knox
18. Miles Bridges
19. Robert Williams
20. Dzanan Musa
21. Collin Sexton

draftbarnes · Post #1895 » by **draftbarnes** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 7:48 am

Rui Hachimura has a ton of long term upside I like him a lot

No-Man · Post #1896 » by **No-Man** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 10:52 am

zzaj wrote:Thanks for the input on Frazier. What would be a reasonable comp for him. Maybe Danny Green?

He is similar to Josh Howard if he works out, or Will Barton

Sinceday1 · Post #1897 » by **Sinceday1** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 12:29 pm

Curious to see how far Chimezie Metu moves up draft boards.

The more I see the more impressed I’ve become.

https://www.a1squad.com/single-post/2018/03/05/What-Did-We-Learn-About-Chimezie-Metu-In-His-Performance-Against-UCLA

Watch on YouTube

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/sports/usc/la-sp-usc-nba-prospects-20180216-story.html%3foutputType=amp

Catchall · Post #1898 » by **Catchall** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 4:14 pm

draftbarnes wrote:Rui Hachimura has a ton of long term upside I like him a lot

He's started to become more aggressive, which was a much needed change. Just needs to develop his range and his passing game. He has decent tools.

doordoor123 · Post #1899 » by **doordoor123** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 4:23 pm

Sinceday1 wrote:Curious to see how far Chimezie Metu moves up draft boards.

The more I see the more impressed I’ve become.

https://www.a1squad.com/single-post/2018/03/05/What-Did-We-Learn-About-Chimezie-Metu-In-His-Performance-Against-UCLA

Watch on YouTube

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/sports/usc/la-sp-usc-nba-prospects-20180216-story.html%3foutputType=amp

Hes always been really athletic, the issue is everything else. To me he’s a back up center in the NBA. His jumpshot is so inconsistent and he’s so skinny. He could defend the wing pretty well and drive the lane, but he’s still kind of slow, not particularly long, gets in a lot of foul trouble, etc. I watch every USC game so I know him particularly well.

If you like USC, an interesting player no one talks about is Jordan McLaughlin. He’s super skinny and it’s an issue, but I don’t see anyone in college basketball that slips between double teams like him, he’s super clutch and he had a 19 assists game. He’s leading the Pac12 in assists and USC in all-time points. I’m pretty sure he won’t be able to defend in the NBA, but I could see him being a very good offensive player. He can shoot off the dribble and can make buckets in traffic.

zzaj · Post #1900 » by **zzaj** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 6:27 pm

Fischella wrote:
zzaj wrote:Thanks for the input on Frazier. What would be a reasonable comp for him. Maybe Danny Green?

He is similar to Josh Howard if he works out, or Will Barton

Interesting. It looks to me like Barton has much more off the dribble game and is a mediocre defender. I would expect Frazier to have much less craft off the dribble and be a better defender at his ceiling.