2018 NBA Draft

[GimmeDat]

Rui Hachimura has a ton of long term upside I like him a lot

He's started to become more aggressive, which was a much needed change. Just needs to develop his range and his passing game. He has decent tools.

I've only seen highlights of him, and he's certainly got a high level NBA physical profile. Two things concern me though, - he doesn't shoot from the perimeter, at all. The massive jump in FT shooting is a great sign for future jump-shooting capabilities, but it's still far from a sure thing. The other issue, and correct me if I'm wrong, is I've heard he's not a good defender despite his tools, which takes away a lot of the allure unless he's just completely raw and is still learning the game or something.

[doordoor123]

Rui Hachimura has a ton of long term upside I like him a lot

He's started to become more aggressive, which was a much needed change. Just needs to develop his range and his passing game. He has decent tools.

I've only seen highlights of him, and he's certainly got a high level NBA physical profile. Two things concern me though, - he doesn't shoot from the perimeter, at all. The massive jump in FT shooting is a great sign for future jump-shooting capabilities, but it's still far from a sure thing. The other issue, and correct me if I'm wrong, is I've heard he's not a good defender despite his tools, which takes away a lot of the allure unless he's just completely raw and is still learning the game or something.

He has the fluidity to defend. My guess is that he’s not a good communicator on defense since English isn’t his first language.

[coutournant]

What about Killian Tillie ? As a french basketball fan, I'm very impressed by his last games. His shooting has always beeen accurate but he is incredible since a month. He shot 22/26 in his last seven games ! and as a former volleyball player he is a good athlete. Besides that he has great intangibles (motor, BBIQ, work ethic).

How do you rate him if he declares for 2018 ?

[No-Man]

What about Killian Tillie ? As a french basketball fan, I'm very impressed by his last games. His shooting has always beeen accurate but he is incredible since a month. He shot 22/26 in his last seven games ! and as a forme basketball player he is a good athlete. Besides that he has great intangibles (motor, BBIQ, work ethic).

How do you rate him if he declares for 2018 ?

top20, I wouldn't be surprised if he stays in school though, has a shot at been a top10 pick next year

[bootsythornton]

next years draft is weak, a lot of these guys would benefit from staying an extra year

[CalL]

next years draft is weak, a lot of these guys would benefit from staying an extra year

People say the same about most drafts and i remeber that last year many people said that this year's draft is gonna be (much) weaker than last year's draft. Many people said that guys like Bridges or Diallo would (easily) be top 10 or at least safe lottery prospects this year, but not everyone progresses as expected and now we talk about guys being lottery prospects this year who no one talked about last year. I am sure that next year many new names will pop up as lottery prospects as well. In my opinion staying one more year in college is always a huge risk and personally i wouldn't do it if i was a "safe" first round pick. By staying one more year you are giving up on 1-1.5 million dollars and if you then get seriously injured, it would be very hard to live with that thought in my opinion. Of course the critical point is that you often don't have a guarantee that you will be a first round pick and i don't know whether there is any way for guys projected to be picked between 15 and 30 to ensure that they won't drop to the second round.

[doordoor123]

What about Killian Tillie ? As a french basketball fan, I'm very impressed by his last games. His shooting has always beeen accurate but he is incredible since a month. He shot 22/26 in his last seven games ! and as a forme basketball player he is a good athlete. Besides that he has great intangibles (motor, BBIQ, work ethic).

How do you rate him if he declares for 2018 ?

top20, I wouldn't be surprised if he stays in school though, has a shot at been a top10 pick next year

Kind of funny how you completely flipped on him. He was doing the same stuff early in the year and you had him in the second round. I even had this whole thing arguing he might be the best power forward in this draft.

[No-Man]

What about Killian Tillie ? As a french basketball fan, I'm very impressed by his last games. His shooting has always beeen accurate but he is incredible since a month. He shot 22/26 in his last seven games ! and as a forme basketball player he is a good athlete. Besides that he has great intangibles (motor, BBIQ, work ethic).

How do you rate him if he declares for 2018 ?

top20, I wouldn't be surprised if he stays in school though, has a shot at been a top10 pick next year

Kind of funny how you completely flipped on him. He was doing the same stuff early in the year and you had him in the second round. I even had this whole thing arguing he might be the best power forward in this draft.

Eh, I haven't bothered ranking more than like 8-10 players so impossible that I had a 2nd round

I always liked Tillie as a mid-first, my qualms are about his physique/girth but he has gotten stronger and is super quick

[No-Man]

Pelton's model is probably the best out there, his projections so far

Full 2018 NBA draft rankings
Pelton's draft projections
Player Top 100 Stats Rank Consensus Rank
Jaren Jackson Jr. 4 3.6 2 3.7 1
Deandre Ayton 1 2.5 5 3.7 2
Mohamed Bamba 3 3.2 3 3.6 3
Trae Young 8 2.8 4 2.8 4
Marvin Bagley III 5 2.2 10 2.6 5
Jontay Porter 36 3.6 1 2.5 6
Wendell Carter Jr 7 2.1 11 2.4 7
Robert Williams 14 2.1 12 2.0 8
Mikal Bridges 12 1.9 14 1.9 9
De'Anthony Melton 28 2.4 6 1.8 10
Daniel Gafford 15 1.8 15 1.8 11
Miles Bridges 11 1.4 24 1.7 12
Jacob Evans 24 1.8 16 1.5 13
Shamorie Ponds 58 2.4 7 1.4 15
Markus Howard NR 2.2 8 1.3 16
John Konchar NR 2.2 9 1.3 17
Lonnie Walker IV 13 0.9 45 1.2 18
Troy Brown 17 1.1 37 1.2 19
Collin Sexton 9 0.6 59 1.2 20
Landry Shamet 29 1.5 23 1.2 21
Udoka Azubuike NR 1.9 13 1.1 22
Nick Ward NR 1.7 17 0.9 23
Kevin Knox 10 0.3 82 0.9 24
Kevin Hervey 46 1.4 26 0.9 25
Zhaire Smith 33 1.1 35 0.9 26
Kevin Huerter NR 1.6 18 0.8 27
Ethan Happ 71 1.6 19 0.8 28
Jaylen Adams NR 1.6 20 0.8 29
Sagaba Konate NR 1.5 21 0.8 30
Player Top 100 Stats Rank Consensus Rank
Nickeil Alexander-Walker NR 1.5 22 0.8 31
Dedric Lawson NR 1.4 25 0.7 32
Grayson Allen 30 0.8 50 0.7 33
Gary Trent Jr. 49 1.2 33 0.7 34
Clifton Moore NR 1.3 27 0.7 35
Matt Morgan NR 1.3 28 0.7 36
Donta Hall 83 1.3 29 0.7 37
Killian Tillie NR 1.3 30 0.7 38
Bonzie Colson 66 1.3 31 0.6 39
Jevon Carter 48 1.1 39 0.6 40
Tyler Davis NR 1.2 32 0.6 41
Khyri Thomas 21 0.4 72 0.6 42
Shake Milton 31 0.7 55 0.6 43
Xavier Sneed NR 1.2 34 0.5 44
Tyler Hall NR 1.1 36 0.5 45
Gary Clark NR 1.1 38 0.5 46
Devonte' Graham 35 0.6 58 0.5 47
Jordan McLaughlin NR 1.0 41 0.5 49
Austin Wiley 64 1.0 42 0.4 50
Kenrich Williams NR 1.0 43 0.4 51
Donte DiVincenzo 70 1.0 44 0.4 52
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 19 0.1 97 0.4 53
Moritz Wagner 55 0.9 47 0.4 54
Josh Okogie 41 0.6 60 0.4 55
Mike Daum NR 0.9 46 0.4 56
William Lee NR 0.9 48 0.3 57
MaCio Teague NR 0.8 49 0.3 58
Bruce Brown Jr. 26 0.1 94 0.3 59
Jalen Brunson 39 0.4 69 0.3 60
Player Top 100 Stats Rank Consensus Rank
Brandon McCoy 47 0.5 64 0.3 61
Markis McDuffie 91 0.7 51 0.2 62
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk 60 0.7 54 0.2 65
De'Andre Hunter 34 0.2 86 0.2 66
Keita Bates-Diop 22 -0.1 108 0.2 67
Rawle Alkins 43 0.4 73 0.2 68
Carsen Edwards 76 0.6 57 0.2 69
Trevon Duval 38 0.2 90 0.1 73
Vince Edwards 51 0.4 74 0.1 75
Kris Wilkes 63 0.4 76 0.0 82
Jarred Vanderbilt 57 0.2 84 0.0 85
Alize Johnson 74 0.3 79 -0.1 86
DJ Hogg 84 0.3 80 -0.1 87
Terence Davis 73 0.2 83 -0.1 89
Aric Holman 94 0.2 88 -0.1 92
Rui Hachimura 52 0.1 96 -0.1 93
Oshae Brissett 62 0.2 89 -0.1 94
Chimezie Metu 32 -0.3 117 -0.1 95
Omer Yurtseven 100 0.1 91 -0.2 96
Matisse Thybulle 89 0.1 92 -0.2 97
Justin Jackson 40 -0.2 110 -0.2 99
Ray Spalding 79 0.1 95 -0.2 100
Player Top 100 Stats Rank Consensus Rank
Aaron Holiday 23 -0.7 142 -0.2 101
Melvin Frazier 27 -0.6 132 -0.2 102
Tyus Battle 56 -0.1 102 -0.3 104
Chandler Hutchison 25 -0.8 148 -0.4 113
Quinton Rose 82 -0.4 121 -0.5 124
Tony Carr 42 -0.7 143 -0.6 125
Isaac Haas 88 -0.6 131 -0.7 135
Allonzo Trier 72 -0.6 134 -0.7 137
Jerome Robinson 50 -0.8 144 -0.7 140
Malik Pope 93 -0.8 149 -0.8 149
Donte Grantham 96 -0.9 152 -0.9 152
Kerwin Roach II 59 -0.9 155 -0.9 154
Hamidou Diallo 44 -1.3 167 -1.0 159
Jeffrey Carroll 99 -1.2 164 -1.1 165
Devon Hall 81 -1.4 172 -1.3 172
Jalen Hudson 37 -1.8 180 -1.3 173
Milik Yarbrough 69 -1.9 183 -1.6 183
MiKyle McIntosh 80 -2.6 191 -2.1 191

[Ruzious]

top20, I wouldn't be surprised if he stays in school though, has a shot at been a top10 pick next year

Kind of funny how you completely flipped on him. He was doing the same stuff early in the year and you had him in the second round. I even had this whole thing arguing he might be the best power forward in this draft.

Eh, I haven't bothered ranking more than like 8-10 players so impossible that I had a 2nd round

I always liked Tillie as a mid-first, my qualms are about his physique/girth but he has gotten stronger and is super quick

Yeah, I remember you mentioning him early last season as a player you liked - before I had ever heard of him. I wasn't impressed last season, but now I see why you liked him.

[doordoor123]

You guys that don’t like Collin Sexton are crazy. He has all the intangibles of a great player. First of all he’s a great offensive rebounder for a guard, he’s clutch, brings energy to the floor (in the way that Westbrook does), he’s resilient (talking about the 3 on 5 game), he contorts his body around the rim and can finish with one hand and he’s really quick-twitchy with an above average handle. He still plays quickly too and will likely be even better in the NBA, when he’s coached up. You guys are sleeping on him. He’s a ball player through and through, just like most players the Celtics end up drafting.

[Ruzious]

You guys that don’t like Collin Sexton are crazy. He has all the intangibles of a great player. First of all he’s a great offensive rebounder for a guard, he’s clutch, brings energy to the floor (in the way that Westbrook does), he’s resilient (talking about the 3 on 5 game), he contorts his body around the rim and can finish with one hand and he’s really quick-twitchy with an above average handle. He still plays quickly too and will likely be even better in the NBA, when he’s coached up. You guys are sleeping on him. He’s a ball player through and through, just like most players the Celtics end up drafting.

I think you're right, and I've been guilty. There are some similarities to Westbrook, though it's important to factor in that Westbrook wasn't asked to carry the offensive load at UCLA the way that Sexton is at Alabama. There aren't a lot of players with his level of energy and passion. Also, FT's... he's averaging 10.4 attempts per 40 minutes. That's better than Trae Young's 9.7. If that's transferable, he'll be an effective scorer in the NBA - despite his mediocre shooting. He doesn't have a particularly good A/TO ratio, but Westbrook's was awful in his freshman year. Doubtful he's the level of rebounder Rozier's turned out to be, but yeah - he probably belongs in the top 10.

[nolang1]

You guys that don’t like Collin Sexton are crazy. He has all the intangibles of a great player. First of all he’s a great offensive rebounder for a guard, he’s clutch, brings energy to the floor (in the way that Westbrook does), he’s resilient (talking about the 3 on 5 game), he contorts his body around the rim and can finish with one hand and he’s really quick-twitchy with an above average handle. He still plays quickly too and will likely be even better in the NBA, when he’s coached up. You guys are sleeping on him. He’s a ball player through and through, just like most players the Celtics end up drafting.

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I wasn't one of those people moving him into the top 3 because he scored a bunch of points in a weird 3 on 5 setting where the other team had already won the game for all intents and purposes, but yeah I don't get how people seem to have him in a free fall because his jumper's been off for a few weeks. He has a good enough track record before college (leading scorer and MVP of the FIBA U17 championships on a team that had Knox, JJJ, Carter, Trent, and Troy Brown) that unless his jumper looked completely busted he was going to be worth a lottery pick, especially in this draft with its limited point guard depth.

He had a good defensive game today and Alabama is doing well enough as a team defensively that Sexton isn't the potential liability his box score numbers paint him as. I could definitely see him having a good start to his career and then in retrospect people are like "oh yeah, he didn't have much spacing in college and he had the FBI thing hanging over him the whole time."

[yoyoboy]

Jontay Porter is really surprising me. He's pretty damn good.

[Chi town]

Jontay Porter is really surprising me. He's pretty damn good.

Better than MPJ IMO. I know MPJ isn't 100% but he certainly isn't a SF... that kid is a PF.

[yoyoboy]

Jontay Porter is really surprising me. He's pretty damn good.

Better than MPJ IMO. I know MPJ isn't 100% but he certainly isn't a SF... that kid is a PF.

I've tried telling people that for so long. I don't know why people expect him to be a SF in the league. He doesn't have the lateral mobility for it and his first step isn't very strong. I think he's clearly a PF at the next level.

[Chi town]

Jontay Porter is really surprising me. He's pretty damn good.

Better than MPJ IMO. I know MPJ isn't 100% but he certainly isn't a SF... that kid is a PF.

I've tried telling people that for so long. I don't know why people expect him to be a SF in the league. He doesn't have the lateral mobility for it and his first step isn't very strong. I think he's clearly a PF at the next level.

Which if that's the case... NO THANK YOU. I dont' think he will be more than a average starter.

[doordoor123]

Jontay Porter is really surprising me. He's pretty damn good.

Better than MPJ IMO. I know MPJ isn't 100% but he certainly isn't a SF... that kid is a PF.

I've tried telling people that for so long. I don't know why people expect him to be a SF in the league. He doesn't have the lateral mobility for it and his first step isn't very strong. I think he's clearly a PF at the next level.

He can definitely play SF and slide with SFs. He’s playing at 60% says the commentators right now and even defended well at 60%.

[Justwar]

Mpj is gonna make a lot of people look stupid because he's gonna drop in people's mocks then rise again when people realize he's playing about seventy percent conditioning and health

[doordoor123]

So about Collin Sexton...