2018 NBA Draft

Post #1921 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 9:03 pm

doordoor123 wrote:So about Collin Sexton...

Best PG prospect in the class.

doordoor123 · Post #1922 » by **doordoor123** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 9:33 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:So about Collin Sexton...

Best PG prospect in the class.

At the McDonalds All-American game I said I would take him first overall no matter what and come Draft time I might still take him there to be consistent. You don’t see someone that loves basketball as much as him and has fun on the court anymore. Not only that, he does all the little things you want from a point guard. I stand by my claim that the best players are usually the most fun to watch and he’s just more fun than anyone in college basketball. Hes also been able to challenge himself time and time again when the odds are stacked against him. This guy is a winner and if he were at a better school I have no doubt he would win the championship. No offense to Alabama, but they’re really young.

Chi town · Post #1923 » by **Chi town** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 9:34 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:So about Collin Sexton...

Best PG prospect in the class.

1 assist today.

doordoor123 · Post #1924 » by **doordoor123** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 9:35 pm

Chi town wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:So about Collin Sexton...

Best PG prospect in the class.

1 assist today.

Yeah, but did you see it? It was a glorious assist.

Chi town · Post #1925 » by **Chi town** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 9:37 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
Best PG prospect in the class.

1 assist today.

Yeah, but did you see it? It was a glorious assist.

I did. It is as fun.

I like him. Have him 10th.

Justwar · Post #1926 » by **Justwar** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 10:15 pm

Assists do not matter as much anymore. Better shooting de'aaron fox but has to score more right now

Post #1927 » by **GimmeDat** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 11:02 pm

Justwar wrote:Assists do not matter as much anymore. Better shooting de'aaron fox but has to score more right now

Maybe being a ball dominant assist-padder may be less valuable, but being a good passer at the PG position sure isn't less important, especially when you're such an on-ball PG like Sexton.

anthony00 · Post #1928 » by **anthony00** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 11:08 pm

GimmeDat wrote:
Justwar wrote:Assists do not matter as much anymore. Better shooting de'aaron fox but has to score more right now

Maybe being a ball dominant assist-padder may be less valuable, but being a good passer at the PG position sure isn't less important, especially when you're such an on-ball PG like Sexton.

sexton is a pretty good passer though he just does not pass much

Post #1929 » by **GimmeDat** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 11:15 pm

anthony00 wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:
Justwar wrote:Assists do not matter as much anymore. Better shooting de'aaron fox but has to score more right now

Maybe being a ball dominant assist-padder may be less valuable, but being a good passer at the PG position sure isn't less important, especially when you're such an on-ball PG like Sexton.

sexton is a pretty good passer though he just does not pass much

I don't see it, personally. Not great vision in the half-court, pretty tunnel-visioned. It says a lot that someone with his usage has such low assist numbers. He makes flashy assists when he does and that honestly inflated my consideration of him as a passer leading in to college, but that's partly why I've been underwhelmed by him this season.

Reminds me of post-injury D-Rose, almost, in the sense that I'm not sure he'll have the efficiency to justify being a ball dominant, score-1st PG in today's league, though he has the benefit of getting to the FT line at a prolific rate and being solid on the other end of the court.

Justwar · Post #1930 » by **Justwar** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 11:23 pm

Still think it's hard to be seen as a great passer if your teammates suck. Assists have become a stat pad number anymore. How many one and done guys have been high assists guys? I'm sure I'm missing people but yeah. I know trae young has high assists but he controls the ball 99.9 percent of the time. If he could pass to himself I think he would

Catchall · Post #1931 » by **Catchall** » Fri Mar 9, 2018 11:44 pm

yoyoboy wrote:Jontay Porter is really surprising me. He's pretty damn good.

Yeah, he's good. He'll be something like a higher-IQ version of Markieff Morris. He should have a good career.

baca · Post #1932 » by **baca** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:03 am

Justwar wrote:Still think it's hard to be seen as a great passer if your teammates suck. Assists have become a stat pad number anymore. How many one and done guys have been high assists guys? I'm sure I'm missing people but yeah. I know trae young has high assists but he controls the ball 99.9 percent of the time. If he could pass to himself I think he would

Tyus Jones, Tyler Ennis, John Wall, Dennis Smith Jr, Lonzo Ball, Fultz? They all have at least 5 assists per game as OND. So it should not be that hard...

nolang1 · Post #1933 » by **nolang1** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:14 am

baca wrote:
Justwar wrote:Still think it's hard to be seen as a great passer if your teammates suck. Assists have become a stat pad number anymore. How many one and done guys have been high assists guys? I'm sure I'm missing people but yeah. I know trae young has high assists but he controls the ball 99.9 percent of the time. If he could pass to himself I think he would

Tyus Jones, Tyler Ennis, John Wall, Dennis Smith Jr, Lonzo Ball, Fultz? They all have at least 5 assists per game as OND. So it should not be that hard...

I think that's kind of the point. Everyone's teammates suck to some extent in college and the game is slower, so players can be quite good at passing while getting 'just' 5 assists per game. For most of those guys you listed, you could have done the same 'if his teammates were making shots he'd easily have 15+ assists!' thing that people like to do for Young.

Sexton gets a little under 4 per game, and I don't think anyone was confusing him for a top-notch passer before the season. Basically the hope is that he keeps developing the shot and becomes a Kyle Lowry type of guy.

Justwar · Post #1934 » by **Justwar** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:19 am

I don't feel like posting all the stats but observed enough to say tempo, usage, court spacing are all huge factors on why each of them aren't comparable to collin sexton. Actually don't understand why Avery didn't play him a little more but he must not wanna have a job anymore or no one at Alabama cares.

doordoor123 · Post #1935 » by **doordoor123** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:40 am

The floor opens up so much more in the NBA, it’s a different game. Players also know how to put themselves in a better position to score in the NBA. If you want to know how successful of a passer he’ll be, look at how successful he is at getting in the paint. Because once he’s in the paint most teams just have guys on the perimeter. He probably needs to improve his P&R passing because he plays so fast and that’s just not his game right now, but he’s a good dimer and I think it’ll come. I also think he’s a great lobber and should be a on team that likes to run and lob.

Justwar · Post #1936 » by **Justwar** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:54 am

I like that sexton has the I wanna eat your soul mentality. When you have a iffy shooter and the team can't shoot, you'll see packed in defenses that you can't do in the nba with defensive 3 seconds

No-Man · Post #1937 » by **No-Man** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:34 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:So about Collin Sexton...

Best PG prospect in the class.

While been awful at you know, playing PG

I like Sexton fine for what he is, he is gonna get way overdrafted though, if anybody is buying his pull-up game, lol, good luck

Also insanely overrated on D

No-Man · Post #1938 » by **No-Man** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:35 pm

Justwar wrote:Assists do not matter as much anymore. Better shooting de'aaron fox but has to score more right now

He is not even close to the athlete, nor has Fox's length

No-Man · Post #1939 » by **No-Man** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:29 pm

Let's put it this way, other than for creation-starved teams that just need a body to do something off-the-dribble how valuable is a let's say post-injuries type of athlete Derrick Rose, with a more positive vibe around him, that can hit 34-35% from 3 in like 4-5 attempts per game, be a better passer on the open floor and give a **** on D at times even though the result more often than not it's going to be bad still.

We agree that type of player it's still a NBA player, is it though someone I'd bother drafting? meh, esp considering how high Sexton is going (most likely top15).

If Sexton had premier athleticism (Westbrook type), or premier strength (Bledsoe type, Westbrook also really, what a freak), things change, cause that actually potentiate his strengths and probably makes him a guy that can actually alter your outcome even if he doesn't fit perfectly in a team concept.
And while he isnt bad on those, I think his frame and strength are actually underrated, he is clearly not elite there either.

His best atribute is finding lanes to get through when driving, almost like a RB there.

He is still a fun player to watch and gonna be a fine pro, I think, just not the type of guy that makes a difference.

Not comparing them, but it's almost like the difference between paying Jeff Teague 18m$ a year, when you can have similar level PGs for like 30% of that, so... like... why?

Post #1940 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:38 pm

Fischella wrote:Let's put it this way, other than for creation-starved teams that just need a body to do something off-the-dribble how valuable is a let's say post-injuries type of athlete Derrick Rose, with a more positive vibe around him, that can hit 34-35% from 3 in like 4-5 attempts per game, be a better passer on the open floor and give a **** on D at times even though the result more often than not it's going to be bad still.

We agree that type of player it's still a NBA player, is it though someone I'd bother drafting? meh, esp considering how high Sexton is going (most likely top15).

If Sexton had premier athleticism (Westbrook type), or premier strength (Bledsoe type, Westbrook also really, what a freak), things change, cause that actually potentiate his strengths and probably makes him a guy that can actually alter your outcome even if he doesn't fit perfectly in a team concept.
And while he isnt bad on those, I think his frame and strength are actually underrated, he is clearly not elite there either.

His best atribute is finding lanes to get through when driving, almost like a RB there.

He is still a fun player to watch and gonna be a fine pro, I think, just not the type of guy that makes a difference.

Not comparing them, but it's almost like the difference between paying Jeff Teague 18m$ a year, when you can have similar level PGs for like 30% of that, so... like... why?

Thing about Sexton is - he's got a crazy level of competitiveness. Going back a ways, some don't care for Allen Iverson, but he had that quality. And in today's NBA, Westbrook has it. People will point out that Iverson and Westbrook never won a championship, but nobody wins a championship by themselves. Iverson did make it to the finals when he had a defensive team built around him.

The difference between Rose and Sexton is all about intangibles. I don't think Rose has given a crap about anything but getting a paycheck since his injuries. Sexton's crazy level of competitiveness gives him a significant advantage, imo. Will he make his teammates better? Probably not with his style of play - it might hurt actually, but his intensity should rub off on his teammates, and hopefully he adjusts - doing a more consistent job of making plays for his teammates - which he really needs to do and occasionally shows the ability to do.