2018 NBA Draft

eminence · Post #1941 » by **eminence** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:01 pm

Ehh, there's plenty of hyper competitive players in the NBA. Delly comes to mind. All comes down to if you've got the skills to pay the bills.

doordoor123 · Post #1942 » by **doordoor123** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:10 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Fischella wrote:Let's put it this way, other than for creation-starved teams that just need a body to do something off-the-dribble how valuable is a let's say post-injuries type of athlete Derrick Rose, with a more positive vibe around him, that can hit 34-35% from 3 in like 4-5 attempts per game, be a better passer on the open floor and give a **** on D at times even though the result more often than not it's going to be bad still.

We agree that type of player it's still a NBA player, is it though someone I'd bother drafting? meh, esp considering how high Sexton is going (most likely top15).

If Sexton had premier athleticism (Westbrook type), or premier strength (Bledsoe type, Westbrook also really, what a freak), things change, cause that actually potentiate his strengths and probably makes him a guy that can actually alter your outcome even if he doesn't fit perfectly in a team concept.
And while he isnt bad on those, I think his frame and strength are actually underrated, he is clearly not elite there either.

His best atribute is finding lanes to get through when driving, almost like a RB there.

He is still a fun player to watch and gonna be a fine pro, I think, just not the type of guy that makes a difference.

Not comparing them, but it's almost like the difference between paying Jeff Teague 18m$ a year, when you can have similar level PGs for like 30% of that, so... like... why?

Thing about Sexton is - he's got a crazy level of competitiveness. Going back a ways, some don't care for Allen Iverson, but he had that quality. And in today's NBA, Westbrook has it. People will point out that Iverson and Westbrook never won a championship, but nobody wins a championship by themselves. Iverson did make it to the finals when he had a defensive team built around him.

The difference between Rose and Sexton is all about intangibles. I don't think Rose has given a crap about anything but getting a paycheck since his injuries. Sexton's crazy level of competitiveness gives him a significant advantage, imo. Will he make his teammates better? Probably not with his style of play - it might hurt actually, but his intensity should rub off on his teammates, and hopefully he adjusts - doing a more consistent job of making plays for his teammates - which he really needs to do and occasionally shows the ability to do.

He’s 18 and not consistent right now, but if he can consistently get to the basket and finish in traffic (which is really possible), he’s going to be the type of player that wins games for teams.
Sexton has the focus and aggressiveness that might not look good right now, but if he is able to contain himself and play at different speeds more often, he could be a killer.
I hoped something similar with Emmanuel Mudiay coming out, but Mudiay didn’t have the characteristics to do that. He wasn’t aggressive and focused the way Sexton is. With the way he finishes games at times I really believe if he wanted or was trained to he could get a bucket every time down the floor shooting it or not. When he’s focused on getting one individual basket, he gets it. Or at least gets fouled. IMO it’s just a matter of time.

HeadtopChunes · Post #1943 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:23 am

Devonte Graham is pretty good. I think he can be a good backup in the league. Hes got all the tools but he is a bit small. Maybe a similar role as Vanvleet or Napier

akhan786 · Post #1944 » by **akhan786** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:23 am

Bagley's my favorite player, but you can't not take Ayton #1 overall.

His shooting form alone makes him the #1 pick.

doordoor123 · Post #1945 » by **doordoor123** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:00 am

The NCAA is so deep right now, it’s pretty crazy. Last year was a good draft in terms of depth and I think we’re going to see a lot of deep drafts in the foreseeable future. Maybe not in terms of being super strong at the top of the draft, but all the way through the two rounds is going to be pretty strong.

I kind of hate the players union right now because the NBA needs more teams to accommodate all these good players and give more of them a chance to succeed. The players union doesn’t want an expansion because more teams takes salary away from the players. So these inflated contracts wouldn’t exist. I actually think it’s better that way, so players don’t quit playing after they get a big contract and there is romanticism injected back into the sport. It would never happen because players will never go back to earning less.

PLO · Post #1946 » by **PLO** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:51 am

doordoor123 wrote:The NCAA is so deep right now, it’s pretty crazy. Last year was a good draft in terms of depth and I think we’re going to see a lot of deep drafts in the foreseeable future. Maybe not in terms of being super strong at the top of the draft, but all the way through the two rounds is going to be pretty strong.

I kind of hate the players union right now because the NBA needs more teams to accommodate all these good players and give more of them a chance to succeed. The players union doesn’t want an expansion because more teams takes salary away from the players. So these inflated contracts wouldn’t exist. I actually think it’s better that way, so players don’t quit playing after they get a big contract and there is romanticism injected back into the sport. It would never happen because players will never go back to earning less.

I've been thinking for months this draft in particular is deep; there are players who to my mind whose upside is potential All-Star right through the first round, there's at least many good role players in it. If some of the freshman declare (Smith/Hunter, sophmore Tillie etc) this draft will be absolutely loaded.

NoZoLakers · Post #1947 » by **NoZoLakers** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:15 pm

Does anyone see any similarities between Bosh vs. Jontay Porter?

kuclas · Post #1948 » by **kuclas** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:27 pm

If by some miracle (like 2014 nba lottery where Cleveland jumped like 8 slots in the nba staff from 9 to 1.

Wonder if the sixers get the number overall 1 (from lakers (2-5 for Celtics). If sixers get the number 1. Do they draft Deandre Ayton and trade Joel Embiid?? Cause they cannot co exist together.

Mirotic12 · Post #1949 » by **Mirotic12** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:21 pm

eminence wrote:Ehh, there's plenty of hyper competitive players in the NBA. Delly comes to mind. All comes down to if you've got the skills to pay the bills.

I don't see guys like Delly and Beverley as all that competitive. I see them as just dirty players.

doordoor123 · Post #1950 » by **doordoor123** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:27 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
eminence wrote:Ehh, there's plenty of hyper competitive players in the NBA. Delly comes to mind. All comes down to if you've got the skills to pay the bills.

I don't see guys like Delly and Beverley as all that competitive. I see them as just dirty players.

I think you mean physical, not dirty. They just know where the line is in terms of knowing what you’re allowed to and not allowed to do on defense in the NBA and they constantly challenge that line to see what they can get away with. Neither of these are very athletic and had to fight their way into the league. IMO is shows work-ethic and confidence to figure out what works/doesn’t work and challenge that line. Those two guys study their opponents really well and know how to stop guys. I would personally love to have either on my team, but I would hate to play against them.

delfam · Post #1951 » by **delfam** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:31 pm

BallnIngram wrote:Does anyone see any similarities between Bosh vs. Jontay Porter?

Porter seems like a tweener. He isn't the most athletic person in the world so I don't think he could cover most PF's in the league with teams going smaller. He doesn't seem long enough to guard bigger center's either.

I would compare him more to Myles Turner

doordoor123 · Post #1952 » by **doordoor123** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:44 pm

delfam wrote:
BallnIngram wrote:Does anyone see any similarities between Bosh vs. Jontay Porter?

Porter seems like a tweener. He isn't the most athletic person in the world so I don't think he could cover most PF's in the league with teams going smaller. He doesn't seem long enough to guard bigger center's either.

I would compare him more to Myles Turner

He’s pretty fluid and commits on defense, I think he can defend a lot of 4s and even some 3s. Those little speedsters will get him though. Guys might get him in the post because he isn’t a leaper, but he’s super smart and will draw a lot of charges or give guys bad looks. He does a good job of getting his hands in the face of his opponents. He just knows the game really well and probably because he comes from a basketball family. His entire family his obsessed with basketball, even his aunts and uncles.

HeadtopChunes · Post #1953 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:27 am

kuclas wrote:If by some miracle (like 2014 nba lottery where Cleveland jumped like 8 slots in the nba staff from 9 to 1.

Wonder if the sixers get the number overall 1 (from lakers (2-5 for Celtics). If sixers get the number 1. Do they draft Deandre Ayton and trade Joel Embiid?? Cause they cannot co exist together.

Theyd probably just draft Doncic.

Catchall · Post #1954 » by **Catchall** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:19 am

BallnIngram wrote:Does anyone see any similarities between Bosh vs. Jontay Porter?

I don't. I can see the comps that Porter gets to Markieff Morris. He's got natural talent like Derrick Coleman from years past. His best position would probably be as a stretchy 5, assuming someone else defends the rim, but he can play the 4 in most match-ups too.

NoZoLakers · Post #1955 » by **NoZoLakers** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:44 am

doordoor123 wrote:
delfam wrote:
BallnIngram wrote:Does anyone see any similarities between Bosh vs. Jontay Porter?

Porter seems like a tweener. He isn't the most athletic person in the world so I don't think he could cover most PF's in the league with teams going smaller. He doesn't seem long enough to guard bigger center's either.

I would compare him more to Myles Turner

He’s pretty fluid and commits on defense, I think he can defend a lot of 4s and even some 3s. Those little speedsters will get him though. Guys might get him in the post because he isn’t a leaper, but he’s super smart and will draw a lot of charges or give guys bad looks. He does a good job of getting his hands in the face of his opponents. He just knows the game really well and probably because he comes from a basketball family. His entire family his obsessed with basketball, even his aunts and uncles.

is he slow or just being methodical? how do you see his fit as a laker?

Kalela · Post #1956 » by **Kalela** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:45 am

kuclas wrote:If by some miracle (like 2014 nba lottery where Cleveland jumped like 8 slots in the nba staff from 9 to 1.

Wonder if the sixers get the number overall 1 (from lakers (2-5 for Celtics). If sixers get the number 1. Do they draft Deandre Ayton and trade Joel Embiid?? Cause they cannot co exist together.

Embiid is better than Ayton. You do what the Celtics did in the last draft. Trade down with another team and get a good player that you want and fits your team better while getting more assets at the same time.

doordoor123 · Post #1957 » by **doordoor123** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:31 pm

BallnIngram wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
delfam wrote:Porter seems like a tweener. He isn't the most athletic person in the world so I don't think he could cover most PF's in the league with teams going smaller. He doesn't seem long enough to guard bigger center's either.

I would compare him more to Myles Turner

He’s pretty fluid and commits on defense, I think he can defend a lot of 4s and even some 3s. Those little speedsters will get him though. Guys might get him in the post because he isn’t a leaper, but he’s super smart and will draw a lot of charges or give guys bad looks. He does a good job of getting his hands in the face of his opponents. He just knows the game really well and probably because he comes from a basketball family. His entire family his obsessed with basketball, even his aunts and uncles.

is he slow or just being methodical? how do you see his fit as a laker?

He’s slow, but so is Brook Lopez on the Lakers. But he can really move around the court well and can shoot threes, which is what the Lakers want. I just don’t think his offense will be as effective as Lopez, who is bigger and longer. He’s also a great passer, which would fit in well with what the Lakers want to do.

NoZoLakers · Post #1958 » by **NoZoLakers** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:47 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
BallnIngram wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
He’s pretty fluid and commits on defense, I think he can defend a lot of 4s and even some 3s. Those little speedsters will get him though. Guys might get him in the post because he isn’t a leaper, but he’s super smart and will draw a lot of charges or give guys bad looks. He does a good job of getting his hands in the face of his opponents. He just knows the game really well and probably because he comes from a basketball family. His entire family his obsessed with basketball, even his aunts and uncles.

is he slow or just being methodical? how do you see his fit as a laker?

He’s slow, but so is Brook Lopez on the Lakers. But he can really move around the court well and can shoot threes, which is what the Lakers want. I just don’t think his offense will be as effective as Lopez, who is bigger and longer. He’s also a great passer, which would fit in well with what the Lakers want to do.

Id want him for the 3pt shooting n passing n looks like hes a decent rim protector as well. If he can eventually get big enough to play C it would be ideal...and like you said if they can do it with lopez they can do with porter....i see jontay more developable then bryant or zubac

doordoor123 · Post #1959 » by **doordoor123** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:52 pm

BallnIngram wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
BallnIngram wrote:is he slow or just being methodical? how do you see his fit as a laker?

He’s slow, but so is Brook Lopez on the Lakers. But he can really move around the court well and can shoot threes, which is what the Lakers want. I just don’t think his offense will be as effective as Lopez, who is bigger and longer. He’s also a great passer, which would fit in well with what the Lakers want to do.

Id want him for the 3pt shooting n passing n looks like hes a decent rim protector as well. If he can eventually get big enough to play C it would be ideal...and like you said if they can do it with lopez they can do with porter....i see jontay more developable then bryant or zubac

The problem is he won’t be able to protect the rim unless he grows. There isn’t a center in the league with his size/length unless they’re really athletic. I personally like him better as a power forward for a slow-paced team.

peZt · Post #1960 » by **peZt** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:28 pm

kuclas wrote:If by some miracle (like 2014 nba lottery where Cleveland jumped like 8 slots in the nba staff from 9 to 1.

Wonder if the sixers get the number overall 1 (from lakers (2-5 for Celtics). If sixers get the number 1. Do they draft Deandre Ayton and trade Joel Embiid?? Cause they cannot co exist together.

Trade down a couple spots and pick JJJ, Bagley or some of the other guys that fit well with their current group. Or maybe even trade down further and draft Mikal Bridges.
But you never ever trade Embiid