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This man is an all-star in the East next year. I hope he goes to Atlanta or Dallas. No NY, Cleveland, Phoenix, or Chicago.
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EvanZ wrote:VanWest82 wrote:I'm of the opinion that Zion will be one of the most impactful defenders in the NBA right out of the gate. Some guys on the GB seem to think he'll struggle because of his lack of height and average wingspan for his size. I just think that's crazy talk based on what we've seen (i.e. his bulk, his defensive instincts, the way he covers ground, etc.). He's a future DPOY IMO, and probably a multi time winner. Agree or disagree?
I think people think he's Blake Griffin on D, when he's much closer and perhaps better than Ron Artest.
I think he's closer to Ben Wallace.
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SeattleJazzFan wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:Zion is the best college player I have ever seen. And the way Duke looked without him, just truly showed his impact on he game. I will say this, if he was a legit 6'8, I would have him on the same level as a prospect as LeBron.
LeBron no doubt the better handle and facilitator. But Zion is the better defensive player at the same age and also is the far superior off the ball player than LeBron. Zion has a massive impact on or off the ball.
But I do get the hesitation with his size. Now I do think that gets cancelled out with how much spacing the NBA has, also it's becoming more and more common to see undersized 4s. I think the size question will get answered very quickly, but we won't know for sure until we actually see him in the NBA. So because of that, I have him behind LeBron. But ya I do have Zion on a tier by himself as best prospect since LeBron.
you can make an argument he's the best college player ever. dude has a PER of 43. that doesn't happen. has a TS% of 71% with 23 PPG. that doesn't happen. the greatest college players of all time can't claim this combination of production and efficiency. the one argument would be that college basketball is watered down due to guys leaving early - but the argument to that is that he is doing it as a freshman. guys like alcindor, walton, ewing, robinson, shaq - they all played at least til their junior season.
One more college player who never gets the recognition anymore as one of the all-time greats, because he wasn't a great NBA player was David Thompson - the ACC POY all 3 seasons at NC State, won all the National POY awards in his jumior year, won NCAA Tournament POY in his sophomore year, First Team All-American in his frosh and soph years. He was one of a kind before drugs and knee problems and being a 6'4 190 lb forward in the NBA overcame him.
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Ruzious wrote:SeattleJazzFan wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:Zion is the best college player I have ever seen. And the way Duke looked without him, just truly showed his impact on he game. I will say this, if he was a legit 6'8, I would have him on the same level as a prospect as LeBron.
LeBron no doubt the better handle and facilitator. But Zion is the better defensive player at the same age and also is the far superior off the ball player than LeBron. Zion has a massive impact on or off the ball.
But I do get the hesitation with his size. Now I do think that gets cancelled out with how much spacing the NBA has, also it's becoming more and more common to see undersized 4s. I think the size question will get answered very quickly, but we won't know for sure until we actually see him in the NBA. So because of that, I have him behind LeBron. But ya I do have Zion on a tier by himself as best prospect since LeBron.
you can make an argument he's the best college player ever. dude has a PER of 43. that doesn't happen. has a TS% of 71% with 23 PPG. that doesn't happen. the greatest college players of all time can't claim this combination of production and efficiency. the one argument would be that college basketball is watered down due to guys leaving early - but the argument to that is that he is doing it as a freshman. guys like alcindor, walton, ewing, robinson, shaq - they all played at least til their junior season.
One more college player who never gets the recognition anymore as one of the all-time greats, because he wasn't a great NBA player was David Thompson - the ACC POY all 3 seasons at NC State, won all the National POY awards in his jumior year, won NCAA Tournament POY in his sophomore year, First Team All-American in his frosh and soph years. He was one of a kind before drugs and knee problems and being a 6'4 190 lb forward in the NBA overcame him.
He is normally in most experts top 3-5 all timers with KAJ and Walton
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LakersDynasty14 wrote:Lonzo Ball is literally on a Hall of Fame trajectory at this point. This thread is so full of fail.
shakes0 wrote:I hope they put Simmons on Trae. He'll foul him out by the 3rd quarter. plus Simmons can't stay in front of Trae. No one can.
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That's not even Zion. That's MMA fighter Chase McMullen. Delete bro
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King Ken wrote:Ruzious wrote:SeattleJazzFan wrote:
you can make an argument he's the best college player ever. dude has a PER of 43. that doesn't happen. has a TS% of 71% with 23 PPG. that doesn't happen. the greatest college players of all time can't claim this combination of production and efficiency. the one argument would be that college basketball is watered down due to guys leaving early - but the argument to that is that he is doing it as a freshman. guys like alcindor, walton, ewing, robinson, shaq - they all played at least til their junior season.
One more college player who never gets the recognition anymore as one of the all-time greats, because he wasn't a great NBA player was David Thompson - the ACC POY all 3 seasons at NC State, won all the National POY awards in his jumior year, won NCAA Tournament POY in his sophomore year, First Team All-American in his frosh and soph years. He was one of a kind before drugs and knee problems and being a 6'4 190 lb forward in the NBA overcame him.
He is normally in most experts top 3-5 all timers with KAJ and Walton
I haven't seen or heard his name mentioned in probably the last dozen years.
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I like him alot.. hes nowhere near the all around athlete LeBron was and is lacking the length as well
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I don't know if it's just me or not but I feel like his hands are pretty small. That is like the one red flag that I have about him. They look small and he fumbles the ball in a lot of situations. Hope it won't be a problem for him at the next level
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Upperclass wrote:I like him alot.. hes nowhere near the all around athlete LeBron was and is lacking the length as well
gh123 wrote:Zion lucky if he gets 18 ppg on decent efficiency. Midget big man is a no-career in NBA. Chuck being the only wonder. Zion is the next Tractor Trailer at best.
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Needs to go to the Hawks. Celtics are my team but Young and Zion needs to happen
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Lebron made it to the finals with that cleveland team.
Bird would have won 4 rings with that team, in this weak ass era of basketball.
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Zion prediction: draws out Taco then dimes to Reddish who dunks on the weakside with Taco not able to recover leading to all the irrational Cam train crew claiming he is a legit prospect same as his 2 legit teammates.
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So how bad is his shooting? 40% from 3 over the last 19 games on 2.5 attempts a game. He started off pretty rough from 3 on the season, but the last 2 3rds of the season he's been pretty solid back there. I don't think he's ever going to be a threat off the dribble from 3. But I think teams will have to close out on him and won't be able to play so far off of him when he's off the ball.
His form is a slow set shot, but I have always liked his touch. He's going to have to speed it up, but at 18 years old, I don't think his jumper is that big of a question mark. He definitely isn't the next Simmons when it comes to his jumper.
His form is a slow set shot, but I have always liked his touch. He's going to have to speed it up, but at 18 years old, I don't think his jumper is that big of a question mark. He definitely isn't the next Simmons when it comes to his jumper.
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Duke4life831 wrote:So how bad is his shooting? 40% from 3 over the last 19 games on 2.5 attempts a game. He started off pretty rough from 3 on the season, but the last 2 3rds of the season he's been pretty solid back there. I don't think he's ever going to be a threat off the dribble from 3. But I think teams will have to close out on him and won't be able to play so far off of him when he's off the ball.
His form is a slow set shot, but I have always liked his touch. He's going to have to speed it up, but at 18 years old, I don't think his jumper is that big of a question mark. He definitely isn't the next Simmons when it comes to his jumper.
His shot will only be honored as it is improved,and he will get plenty of good looks early on. His athleticism will exploit defenses clogging the lane anyway with his elite passing ability esp with a elite shooter on the wing.
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Duke4life831 wrote:So how bad is his shooting? 40% from 3 over the last 19 games on 2.5 attempts a game. He started off pretty rough from 3 on the season, but the last 2 3rds of the season he's been pretty solid back there. I don't think he's ever going to be a threat off the dribble from 3. But I think teams will have to close out on him and won't be able to play so far off of him when he's off the ball.
His form is a slow set shot, but I have always liked his touch. He's going to have to speed it up, but at 18 years old, I don't think his jumper is that big of a question mark. He definitely isn't the next Simmons when it comes to his jumper.
I doubt anyone at the next level guards his shot. It will be open like it is now
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King Ken wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:So how bad is his shooting? 40% from 3 over the last 19 games on 2.5 attempts a game. He started off pretty rough from 3 on the season, but the last 2 3rds of the season he's been pretty solid back there. I don't think he's ever going to be a threat off the dribble from 3. But I think teams will have to close out on him and won't be able to play so far off of him when he's off the ball.
His form is a slow set shot, but I have always liked his touch. He's going to have to speed it up, but at 18 years old, I don't think his jumper is that big of a question mark. He definitely isn't the next Simmons when it comes to his jumper.
I doubt anyone at the next level guards his shot. It will be open like it is now
I think he will end up shooting in the mid 30s (33-35%) from 3 then. I think by his prime, teams will have to go out there and guard him.
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Duke4life831 wrote:King Ken wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:So how bad is his shooting? 40% from 3 over the last 19 games on 2.5 attempts a game. He started off pretty rough from 3 on the season, but the last 2 3rds of the season he's been pretty solid back there. I don't think he's ever going to be a threat off the dribble from 3. But I think teams will have to close out on him and won't be able to play so far off of him when he's off the ball.
His form is a slow set shot, but I have always liked his touch. He's going to have to speed it up, but at 18 years old, I don't think his jumper is that big of a question mark. He definitely isn't the next Simmons when it comes to his jumper.
I doubt anyone at the next level guards his shot. It will be open like it is now
I think he will end up shooting in the mid 30s (33-35%) from 3 then. I think by his prime, teams will have to go out there and guard him.
They should and will attempt but are more willing to give up that shot. He is freaking Rose at 6'7 285 pounds. He can take that shot.
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Zion is going to be a stud, but maybe he won't be your typical go to star "just give him the ball and let him go to work" franchise player, at least not yet.
I think he would excel more with another shot creator, and him creating havoc with offensive rebounds, slashing, running the floor, spoting up or posting a little bit,etc.
In defense he's going to be a monster.
His perfect fit would be in a team with some offensive talent on the perimeter. Bulls, Suns, Memphis and Atlanta would be scary. NYK would be crazy it they get Irving and/or Durant.
Worst case would be Cleveland by far.
I think he would excel more with another shot creator, and him creating havoc with offensive rebounds, slashing, running the floor, spoting up or posting a little bit,etc.
In defense he's going to be a monster.
His perfect fit would be in a team with some offensive talent on the perimeter. Bulls, Suns, Memphis and Atlanta would be scary. NYK would be crazy it they get Irving and/or Durant.
Worst case would be Cleveland by far.
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Zion will fine as a shot creator. He does need to tighten up his handle a bit but it's good enough with his explosive first step and change of direction abilities. His slashing game really hasn't been showcased because the ball is always in R.J.'s hands but legit coach will see the clear playmaking skill there.
I would be curious to see how he would do in a point forward role surrounded by shooters.
I would be curious to see how he would do in a point forward role surrounded by shooters.

