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Post#1941 » by ItsDanger » Fri May 12, 2023 4:24 pm

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ItsDanger wrote:Scoot shot 14 of 51 from 3 in G league. If he shot 17 of 51, nobody would be saying anything. The sample size is WAY too small to conclude anything. That's similar to many college guys especially freshmen.

College guys who can't shoot.

Lot of guys shoot around 30% from 3. You have to focus on shot form and what type of 3s they're taking. If you're just looking at basic end of year stats, you're missing the details.
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Post#1942 » by SeattleJazzFan » Fri May 12, 2023 4:25 pm

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ItsDanger wrote:Scoot shot 14 of 51 from 3 in G league. If he shot 17 of 51, nobody would be saying anything. The sample size is WAY too small to conclude anything. That's similar to many college guys especially freshmen.


that fact he only shot 51 threes on the season makes the shooting even more of a concern. you could be a bit more confident in his shooting if he were shooting 33% on 6 or 7 attemp per. but when he's taking 2 threes a game, you have no idea if he is a legit long range shooter. at only 2 attempts per game, he's picking his spots and pretty much only taking great shots from out there.

anybody who doesn't think shooting is a concern with scoot has their head buried in the sand. and that doesn't mean he won't figure it out and become a respectable shooter, but good grief - it is absolutely a concern for him.

The point is, you don't have enough info to make any conclusion. Head in the sand? That's what workouts are for.


we have two seasons worth for Scoot - the sample isn't huge, but he's never shown to be even an average shooter from three. hence, it's a concern.

and workouts? serious? you know shooting against defense in real games is not the same as shooting in an empty gym, right?
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Post#1943 » by ItsDanger » Fri May 12, 2023 4:28 pm

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that fact he only shot 51 threes on the season makes the shooting even more of a concern. you could be a bit more confident in his shooting if he were shooting 33% on 6 or 7 attemp per. but when he's taking 2 threes a game, you have no idea if he is a legit long range shooter. at only 2 attempts per game, he's picking his spots and pretty much only taking great shots from out there.

anybody who doesn't think shooting is a concern with scoot has their head buried in the sand. and that doesn't mean he won't figure it out and become a respectable shooter, but good grief - it is absolutely a concern for him.

The point is, you don't have enough info to make any conclusion. Head in the sand? That's what workouts are for.


we have two seasons worth for Scoot - the sample isn't huge, but he's never shown to be even an average shooter from three. hence, it's a concern.

and workouts? serious? you know shooting against defense in real games is not the same as shooting in an empty gym, right?

Yes of course. But it will alleviate concerns on whether he's actually a good shooter or not because your sample size is way too small. If he gets to 35% on decent volume, that's adequate.
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Post#1944 » by clyde21 » Fri May 12, 2023 5:17 pm

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ItsDanger wrote:Scoot shot 14 of 51 from 3 in G league. If he shot 17 of 51, nobody would be saying anything. The sample size is WAY too small to conclude anything. That's similar to many college guys especially freshmen.


that fact he only shot 51 threes on the season makes the shooting even more of a concern. you could be a bit more confident in his shooting if he were shooting 33% on 6 or 7 attemp per. but when he's taking 2 threes a game, you have no idea if he is a legit long range shooter. at only 2 attempts per game, he's picking his spots and pretty much only taking great shots from out there.

anybody who doesn't think shooting is a concern with scoot has their head buried in the sand. and that doesn't mean he won't figure it out and become a respectable shooter, but good grief - it is absolutely a concern for him at this point in time.


21/64 actually, in 23 games, 3 attempts per game

12 attempts total per game in the GL so 25% of his shot attempts were 3s...seems pretty normal to me

and people STILL don't understand that he's much more of a traditional PG than a shoot-first PG. it's not shocking that he doesn't have high attempts because he's a pass-first guy.
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Post#1945 » by zzaj » Fri May 12, 2023 10:26 pm

Anybody have any particular feelings about the 6'11" Lithuanian kid from Arizona, Tubelis? Doesn't play above the rim, and won't protect it much...but seems to play smart positional play, and shoots low volume from 3 at a passable percentage. A reasonable NBA bench big?
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Post#1946 » by clyde21 » Sat May 13, 2023 2:02 am

zzaj wrote:Anybody have any particular feelings about the 6'11" Lithuanian kid from Arizona, Tubelis? Doesn't play above the rim, and won't protect it much...but seems to play smart positional play, and shoots low volume from 3 at a passable percentage. A reasonable NBA bench big?


not sure what his role is if he's a low volume 3pt shooter tbh, you can see a path in the NBA if he's a stretch combo guy otherwise he doesn't do it enough defensively or on the boards to make up for the fact that he's still not really a stretch guy at all.
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Post#1947 » by zzaj » Sat May 13, 2023 5:16 am

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zzaj wrote:Anybody have any particular feelings about the 6'11" Lithuanian kid from Arizona, Tubelis? Doesn't play above the rim, and won't protect it much...but seems to play smart positional play, and shoots low volume from 3 at a passable percentage. A reasonable NBA bench big?


not sure what his role is if he's a low volume 3pt shooter tbh, you can see a path in the NBA if he's a stretch combo guy otherwise he doesn't do it enough defensively or on the boards to make up for the fact that he's still not really a stretch guy at all.


Cool, yeah...I've watched zero Arizona the past couple of years, so he's completely off my radar. From the looks of the limited youtube of him he seems to be a rim runner that has pretty good hands. I guess if I want that at the end of the draft then I'm taking Sanogo who has better hands.
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Post#1948 » by WargamesX » Sat May 13, 2023 8:47 pm

cupcakesnake wrote:Does anyone else think the lack of shooting at the top of this draft might produce some unpredictable results?

There are 4 really questionable shooters near the top of this draft: Scoot, the Twins, and Anthony Black. Orlando and Detroit probably want to avoid taking on another bad shooter. Miller and Dick are the only awesome shooters. Hendricks had a very good year shooting the ball. The rest of the top 10ish guys project as solid-ish.

Depending on where these teams land in the lotto, I could see it shaking things up a bit by maybe locking Brandon Miller into the 2 spot, or seeing Gradey Dick or Taylor Hendricks rising up a few more spots than expected.


I think they all go lotto with Anthony Black going last. Cam Whitmore, Hendricks, Dick, George, Walker, the twins, Miller, Scoot, and Wemba should all be drafted before Black is off the board.
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Post#1949 » by EvanZ » Sat May 13, 2023 11:22 pm

zzaj wrote:Anybody have any particular feelings about the 6'11" Lithuanian kid from Arizona, Tubelis? Doesn't play above the rim, and won't protect it much...but seems to play smart positional play, and shoots low volume from 3 at a passable percentage. A reasonable NBA bench big?

If he hits he’s like a poor man’s Sabonis.


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Post#1950 » by zzaj » Sun May 14, 2023 4:02 am

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zzaj wrote:Anybody have any particular feelings about the 6'11" Lithuanian kid from Arizona, Tubelis? Doesn't play above the rim, and won't protect it much...but seems to play smart positional play, and shoots low volume from 3 at a passable percentage. A reasonable NBA bench big?

If he hits he’s like a poor man’s Sabonis.


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Kinda my thought…of course the chances of him hitting are pretty small. Those Lithies always end up having good BBIQ though…I could see him being a 12/7/2 guy on good percentages and mistake free basketball…
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Post#1951 » by scrabbarista » Sun May 14, 2023 3:32 pm

I'm hoping Denver will get Wembanyama, but I'm pretty sure the top four will be:

1. Charlotte
2. Houston
3. Oklahoma City
4. Detroit

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Post#1952 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Sun May 14, 2023 7:12 pm

Bilal is now my lottery sleeper favourite. Praying OKC doesn’t take him
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Post#1953 » by CP War Hawks » Mon May 15, 2023 12:26 pm

This class is shaping up to be nearly identical to the 2021 draft class. If teams do their homework like they did, it's basically top 8-9 deep and the cutoff is really steep afterwards.

In 2021 after Wagner goes 8th, you had Davion Mitchell, Ziaire Williams, Bouknight, Primo, Duarte, Moody, Kispert. 2023 looks to be fairly similar. There should be a bit more impact guys like Murphy and Sengun in the mid rounds. If you did a redrafted 2021, 11-30 was just nasty trash however.
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Post#1954 » by retrobro90 » Mon May 15, 2023 1:15 pm

Bobi Klintman pulled out of the combine and not returning to wake forest. Thoughts on his game? Potential promise?
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Post#1955 » by CptCrunch » Mon May 15, 2023 3:40 pm

retrobro90 wrote:Bobi Klintman pulled out of the combine and not returning to wake forest. Thoughts on his game? Potential promise?



He can still return to school. What he says doesn't matter. Under new NCAA rules, if he goes unselected even after hiring an agent Michael Tellem in this case, he can return to school. But difficult to imagine him going for the selected or bust strategy while stone walling NBA teams with the combine pullout; most likely answer is a second round promise from a team trying to hit Giannis.
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Post#1956 » by LofJ » Mon May 15, 2023 3:59 pm

CP War Hawks wrote:This class is shaping up to be nearly identical to the 2021 draft class. If teams do their homework like they did, it's basically top 8-9 deep and the cutoff is really steep afterwards.

In 2021 after Wagner goes 8th, you had Davion Mitchell, Ziaire Williams, Bouknight, Primo, Duarte, Moody, Kispert. 2023 looks to be fairly similar. There should be a bit more impact guys like Murphy and Sengun in the mid rounds. If you did a redrafted 2021, 11-30 was just nasty trash however.


I'm not a fan of the guys projected to go in the middle part of the 1st this year. But the guys in the late first and most of the 2nd round look solid. I think the 2nd round in particular is going to be really strong this year.

Sasser, Phillips, Clowney, Jones, Jacquez, Holmes, Strawther, Council, Walsh, Shannon, Podziemski, Jackson-Davis, Cissoko, and Beekman all look like NBA players to me.
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Post#1957 » by Bornstellar » Tue May 16, 2023 12:30 am

24 hours to go! I've never been so hyped for the draft lottery before :lol: This is literally the first time I've ever actually thought we had a chance to win the #1 pick (I was 7 in 1997). Smile upon us basketball gods!!
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Post#1958 » by clyde21 » Tue May 16, 2023 12:36 am

Bornstellar wrote:24 hours to go! I've never been so hyped for the draft lottery before :lol: This is literally the first time I've ever actually thought we had a chance to win the #1 pick (I was 7 in 1997). Smile upon us basketball gods!!


GL..out of all the teams I want the Spurs to get it
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Post#1959 » by eminence » Tue May 16, 2023 5:37 am

Finally putting together a board prior to the lotto. Maybe some changes if anything wild comes out between now and draft day, but hopefully nothing too much. College guys + Victor + Scoot, don't feel I've seen enough of other non-college guys.

Victor Wembanyama
Scoot Henderson
Brandon Miller
Jarace Walker
Taylor Hendricks
Brice Sensabaugh
Gradey Dick
Jordan Hawkins
Cam Whitmore
Anthony Black
Noah Clowney
Cason Wallace
Trayce Jackson-Davis
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Keyonte George
Kobe Bufkin
Jaime Jaquez Jr
Kris Murray
Marcus Sasser
Brandin Podziemski
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Post#1960 » by Stribor » Tue May 16, 2023 10:26 am

I am not sure if anyone mentioned him, but Zvonimir Ivsic - 219 cm (7 foot 2), 19 years old, just had a great game in a tough meeting with Partizan.

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