Where would Serge Ibaka go in the draft

[mattg]

Favors won't come near being as good as Horford IMO. Favors is an average sized PF with bad feet which I think people fail to realize. They get caught up in leaping ability and measurements like wingspan/SR/height/weight. Favors just has plodding, not very coordinated footwork. That's gonna make it very hard for him to score and to limit his turnovers when he catches in the post. Factor in his non existant post game and it means you've got a guy who's gonna be scoring on hustle plays and dives to the rim. Not that that's a bad thing, you need big guys who score like that, but what makes him any different from Ibaka in that regard?

[Gilles]

Well, I feel that we will have to agree to disagree because I think he's pretty quick around the basket and has very good hands.
GT was 309th in NCAA in turnovers. Favors had exactly team average TO rate. i wouldn't really call a freshmen TO-prone in that situation. He's obviously no-Monroe in terms of passing and handling though.

[Charsace]

He would go in the top 5 if he was coming out this year and was playing college ball. Big and more athletic than other bigmen in this draft. He would have the best motor and he looks tougher to me too.

[pr0wler]

Don't forget how good looking he is too.

[Foye]

Anywhere between #7 and #10

[dream_catcher_9]

there's a good chance he'll improve and turn into a solid rotation big with time, maybe even a solid starter.

He already is a solid rotation big........

I think he goes top 5 if he was in college this year. Wall/Turner/Favors/Cousins/Ibaka. Good size and legth, elite athleticism, good rebounder, tough as nails, great shot blocker, efficient, jump shot, good work ethic, no character concerns.

[slick_watts]

For what it's worth, Ibaka probably has a better offensive game than Tyrus Thomas did after his rookie year. Much more efficient from everywhere, especially with the jumper.

[Joel Embust]

We're trying to be careful with projections but let's not kid ourselves, Ibaka is one of the better prospects in the league. He's already better than current Tyrus Thomas and knowing where Serge is coming from (the gutter practically) I'm sure he'll be ten times the player he is right now.

[Baddy Chuck]

The only player besides Wall or Turner I'd even have a tough time deciding between them or Ibaka is Cousins. I'd put Ibaka #4, he's a beast.

[J_Ray]

Wasn't there a thread saying this guy would of been #1 pick last year over Blake Griffin had he gone to college? lol

[Cammo101]

Based on what we know now, he would likely go in the 8-12 range.

[corwin]

#3 to #8.

[UGA Hayes]

I would probably take him top 5 knowing what we know now, which is not the same as if he had gone to college or some other qualifier. I remember a little of the early hype on Ibaka and DX posted a video or something, but I don't recall him being so damn big. Big time talent though. His shooting form is very good, and his footwork looks very promising. I think we are looking a top 5 center in short order.

[John Doe [MIN]]

Are people serious? Top 5?

Let's take Ibaka for what he is: He's a nice shotblocker, but his Blocks/Fouls ratio is too high for him to play 30+ minutes at this point. With a rebound rate of 17.2%, he's a good rebounder, but not a special one, and there certainly isn't anyone else on OKC taking rebounds away from him. HIs TS% of .562 is solid, but is nothing special for a guy with a usage rate as low as his (16.2%). Plenty of other defensive-minded bigs (Tyson Chandler, Andris Biedrins, Joel Przybilla) have been able to use their athleticism and 5th option status to put up similar scoring numbers on markedly better efficiency.

Add it all up, and Ibaka is a one-way player who may or may not develop into a starter in a league in which the majority of starting PFs are their team's 1st or 2nd options offensively. The Favors comparison is preposterous. Derrick Favors is much more skilled offensively and as such is a potential star, not just a potential star role player. The more apt comparison for Ibaka is Udoh, Sanders, or Whiteside. He'd be a late lottery pick.

[NetsForce]

If there weren't concerns of when Ibaka would have come over I think it' safe to say even knowing what was known then he would have gone in the mid to late teens... In this year's draft I think Ibaka would go late lottery to mid teens (so 13-16)...

[UGA Hayes]

Are people serious? Top 5?

Let's take Ibaka for what he is: He's a nice shotblocker, but his Blocks/Fouls ratio is too high for him to play 30+ minutes at this point. With a rebound rate of 17.2%, he's a good rebounder, but not a special one, and there certainly isn't anyone else on OKC taking rebounds away from him. HIs TS% of .562 is solid, but is nothing special for a guy with a usage rate as low as his (16.2%). Plenty of other defensive-minded bigs (Tyson Chandler, Andris Biedrins, Joel Przybilla) have been able to use their athleticism and 5th option status to put up similar scoring numbers on markedly better efficiency.

Add it all up, and Ibaka is a one-way player who may or may not develop into a starter in a league in which the majority of starting PFs are their team's 1st or 2nd options offensively. The Favors comparison is preposterous. Derrick Favors is much more skilled offensively and as such is a potential star, not just a potential star role player. The more apt comparison for Ibaka is Udoh, Sanders, or Whiteside. He'd be a late lottery pick.

I'd be inclined to agree with you if he was 23 instead of 20, or if he was just making athletic plays without showing good fundamentals (shooting, footwork). Also I disagree with your assessment of Favors. I saw 9-10 Georgia Tech game and he was pretty dang raw and methodical throughout, showing little in the way of advanced post moves. Both are foul prone The only area that I see Favors being ovbiously better is rebounding. Also if you look at in season improvement one in an ok college conference this year and one in the western conference of the NBA, Ibaka's progress was way more impressive.

[teamjosh04]

5-10

[bringinhinkie]

Are people serious? Top 5?

Let's take Ibaka for what he is: He's a nice shotblocker, but his Blocks/Fouls ratio is too high for him to play 30+ minutes at this point. With a rebound rate of 17.2%, he's a good rebounder, but not a special one, and there certainly isn't anyone else on OKC taking rebounds away from him. HIs TS% of .562 is solid, but is nothing special for a guy with a usage rate as low as his (16.2%). Plenty of other defensive-minded bigs (Tyson Chandler, Andris Biedrins, Joel Przybilla) have been able to use their athleticism and 5th option status to put up similar scoring numbers on markedly better efficiency.

Add it all up, and Ibaka is a one-way player who may or may not develop into a starter in a league in which the majority of starting PFs are their team's 1st or 2nd options offensively. The Favors comparison is preposterous. Derrick Favors is much more skilled offensively and as such is a potential star, not just a potential star role player. The more apt comparison for Ibaka is Udoh, Sanders, or Whiteside. He'd be a late lottery pick.

this is a league where a team just took a guy with 1/3 ibaka's athleticism, who is 2 years older, though 3 inches taller, but completely void of an offensive repertoire, 2nd in the entire draft.. so to say hed go top 5 knowing what we know now, is not a stretch.. itd certainly depend on the draft strength and what was available (this draft has a number of bigmen prospect projected to go top 10).. id say this year hed go at worst top 10.. last year (if i pretended i didnt know how the 09 prospects turned out, but knew what ibaka'd be), id have him around 6 after blake, rubio, harden, evans, and jennings (i wasnt high on curry-tbh i thought he could bust, thought for sure flynn would be available when the knicks picked at 8, i had thabeet busting like most people..) keep in mind hill went 8th and he was/is so raw.. ibaka like the thread says you are assuming you know hes gonna be producing like he is now so you have to rate him higher than hill

[the_bruce]

The only team in the top 10 that I could see selecting him in the 3-10 range is probably gsw.

On my board I'd put him behind turner & wall in my favors cousins monroe group.

[ManualRam]

Derrick Favors is much more skilled offensively and as such is a potential star, not just a potential star role player.

no he's not. somebody lied to you.