Is Harrison Barnes becoming underrated in this draft?

[noobcake]

i dont see what makes Harrison Barnes right now a better prospect than Danny Granger was comin out of college. Granger fell to 17th in the draft to some surprise and he was perfect size SF 6'8 225 .524/.433./.755 19 ppg 9 rebounds 2.5 assists 2blk 2stl in 30 mpg .624 TS% compared to .574 of Barnes 7.6vs3.3 WS of Barnes all around better stuff than Barnes at literally everything but a couple % points of 3pt shooting.

Eyetest wise they are both solid scorers average ball handlers, neither is particularly explosive athletically, neither hustles or leads quite as much they probably could.

whats the big deal??? What is Barnes doing to be considered drafted anywhere near the same pick as Durant when you look at what he did and showed in only 1 year in this supposedly awesome deep draft?

imo this draft is pretty terrible at the top and can't be too deep either if Barnes is someone projected in the top 2 or 3

Because Barnes WAS the "best freshmen ever" entering college. Hype takes time to die down.

Beside from failing the eye test, Barnes' advanced statistics is frankly garbage. 6th most valuable player on the team, can't play a lick of defense.

[Cammo101]

i dont see what makes Harrison Barnes right now a better prospect than Danny Granger was comin out of college. Granger fell to 17th in the draft to some surprise and he was perfect size SF 6'8 225 .524/.433./.755 19 ppg 9 rebounds 2.5 assists 2blk 2stl in 30 mpg .624 TS% compared to .574 of Barnes 7.6vs3.3 WS of Barnes all around better stuff than Barnes at literally everything but a couple % points of 3pt shooting.

Eyetest wise they are both solid scorers average ball handlers, neither is particularly explosive athletically, neither hustles or leads quite as much they probably could.

whats the big deal??? What is Barnes doing to be considered drafted anywhere near the same pick as Durant when you look at what he did and showed in only 1 year in this supposedly awesome deep draft?

imo this draft is pretty terrible at the top and can't be too deep either if Barnes is someone projected in the top 2 or 3

Granger fell due to GM stupidity. He, like Barnes, was a top 6 player in his draft.

[mhd]

I thought it was the knee that scared teams. Still, didn't Toronto take Joey Graham over Granger?

[Dr Positivity]

Considering Ford just published an article listing like half the GMs as taking Barnes if they get #2, I'm going to go out on a limb and say underrated is the last thing this guy is

[Jazzfan12]

Considering Ford just published an article listing like half the GMs as taking Barnes if they get #2, I'm going to go out on a limb and say underrated is the last thing this guy is

Could you post the list?

[Dr Positivity]

Charlotte - Barnes
Detroit - Drummond
New Orleans - Drummond
Washington - Barnes
Toronto - Barnes
Sacramento - Kidd-Gilchrist
Nets - Drummond
Knicks - Barnes
Suns - Barnes
Warriors - Drummond
Cavaliers - Barnes
Grizzlies - Drummond
Houston - Drummond

[CunningLinguist]

Considering Ford just published an article listing like half the GMs as taking Barnes if they get #2, I'm going to go out on a limb and say underrated is the last thing this guy is

He's just assuming that based on need.

[Jazzfan12]

Charlotte - Barnes
Detroit - Drummond
New Orleans - Drummond
Washington - Barnes
Toronto - Barnes
Sacramento - Kidd-Gilchrist
Nets - Drummond
Knicks - Barnes
Suns - Barnes
Warriors - Drummond
Cavaliers - Barnes
Grizzlies - Drummond
Houston - Drummond

Thanks.

[Cammo101]

I don't think Barnes is underrated by scouts, I do think he is underrated on this board though.

[glenclose]

great feel for the game. underrated athleticism but not gonna wow you with his first step. great work ethic and improving handle. can turn it on when he needs to. roy's system emphasizes getting the bigs their touches and so barnes is picking his spots right now. when he drives, doesnt seem to make up his mind about what he is going to do but he never passes it. defensively can slack at times but has the fundamentals to excel with his length. also has a great work ethic and knows what he needs to improve upon. i think he could be something like a paul pierce

[glenclose]

but overall, i dont think he is underrated.

[mhd]

What's the difference between Harrison Barnes and Calbert Cheaney? Oh, and Calbert was a much better defender than Barnes will ever be.

[TheExpert91]

He is getting overlooked because he isn't the leading scorer on his team and John Henson ranks higher in the National player of the year conversation.

[Dr Positivity]

What's the difference between Harrison Barnes and Calbert Cheaney? Oh, and Calbert was a much better defender than Barnes will ever be.

You'd have to hope for more 3pt shooting talent. Barnes' upside is if he's one of the signature SF bombers in the league and carries his excellence this season (44%) to the NBA. But Cheaney was also at 43% from 3 in the NCAA and then fell off, so who knows. Barnes' 72% FT shooting isn't a terrific sign. A lot of elite FT shooters haven't shown it until the NBA (Granger his 2nd year was under 69%, and was at 76% his 4th year) but still makes you think he is no lock. There's a steep fall from Granger from 3 to Casspi from 3

I love Casspi as the "If Barnes busts" comparison

[Gilles]

Barnes is quicker laterally and more agile so he will be a much better defender than Casspi especially since he's a willing defender already. And I don't think "Calbert was a much better defender than Barnes will ever be."

[Superiorblogman]

I would not touch Barnes with a high lottery pick. Tell me the last North Carolina lottery pick that came close to being what he was projected to be? He did not come along in the last 12 years because from 2000- to current times Ty Lawson is probably the best 1st rd pick that came from UNC. I understand that sounds shallow but go in depth. UNC is usually a team loaded with over half of the team being McDonald's All Americans and 5 stars. It is hard to tell who is really good without comparing there rates to current pro types. Barnes rates are not as good as Carmelo nor Durant. His rates are not even as good as Gerald Wallace. Would not touch the guy with a high lotto pick. I think he may be Marvin Williams at his best. The best season Marvin had was 15 and 6. I think that will be Barnes consistently. That about it.

[umopapisdn]

I would not touch Barnes with a high lottery pick. Tell me the last North Carolina lottery pick that came close to being what he was projected to be? He did not come along in the last 12 years because from 2000- to current times Ty Lawson is probably the best 1st rd pick that came from UNC. I understand that sounds shallow but go in depth. UNC is usually a team loaded with over half of the team being McDonald's All Americans and 5 stars. It is hard to tell who is really good without comparing there rates to current pro types. Barnes rates are not as good as Carmelo nor Durant. His rates are not even as good as Gerald Wallace. Would not touch the guy with a high lotto pick. I think he may be Marvin Williams at his best. The best season Marvin had was 15 and 6. I think that will be Barnes consistently. That about it.

+1
It blows my mind how GMs keep drafting mediocre UNC prospects in the lottery.

[UGA Hayes]

I don't love Barnes as a prospect, but not likeing him b/c of UNC is pretty illogical. They haven't put a durant caliber prospect in the NBA recently b/c they haven't had a durant caliber prospect. Marvin Williams is really the only guy who was vastly overrated at draft time.

[Dr Positivity]

I think Xavier Henry and Wes Johnson are scary comparisons for Barnes. Those guys were supposed to be among the best shooters at their position. But they shot 40%+ from the NCAA 3pt line! I'd worry about Barnes. His FT% being so low is sort of like a pitcher who's flyball peripherals says he shouldn't be that good. Basically all of the Barnes eggs are in one basket, that he's going to be a truly special shooting talent for a SF. That's risky.

[Superiorblogman]

I don't love Barnes as a prospect, but not likeing him b/c of UNC is pretty illogical. They haven't put a durant caliber prospect in the NBA recently b/c they haven't had a durant caliber prospect. Marvin Williams is really the only guy who was vastly overrated at draft time.

Not researching before you start typing is even more illogical. Brandan Wright, Forte, Sean May, Marvin Williams, I could go on and on. Ty Lawson is really the only UNC first rounder in 12 years to live up to the position he was picked at.