Dion Walters vs Bradley Beal

mcfly1204 · Post #21 » by **mcfly1204** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:12 pm

kd35sneighbor wrote:I never said anything about how Dion sucks. I was saying he's a bad fit for Cleveland because of how short he is. So... you got nothing there. This really made me scratch my head.

If Waiters is not a good fit in Cleveland next to a 6' 3" star caliber PG, then he is not a good fit anywhere, or are you proposing that Waiters is best suited to be a lead guard somewhere?

kd35sneighbor · Post #22 » by **kd35sneighbor** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:14 pm

We are not talking a quarter of an inch here. We are talking almost a whole inch. Beal is taller than Waiters by almost an entire inch. In one of the draft workout videos, Beal is basically the same height as Sam Cassell. So, Waiters is shorter than that. Waiters will have to be a PG in the NBA. This is why I think he's a terrible fit for the Cavs.

kd35sneighbor · Post #23 » by **kd35sneighbor** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:16 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:
kd35sneighbor wrote:I never said anything about how Dion sucks. I was saying he's a bad fit for Cleveland because of how short he is. So... you got nothing there. This really made me scratch my head.

If Waiters is not a good fit in Cleveland next to a 6' 3" star caliber PG, then he is not a good fit anywhere, or are you proposing that Waiters is best suited to be a lead guard somewhere?

Yes! I think he should be a PG on an NBA team. He has the passing skills to be one. So why not? At SG he is at a disadvantage. On the Cavs, he would give them a liability on the defensive end. That's all I'm saying.

mcfly1204 · Post #24 » by **mcfly1204** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:16 pm

So 3/4" is reason enough for a player to be a PG over a SG?

kd35sneighbor · Post #25 » by **kd35sneighbor** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:17 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:So 3/4" is reason enough for a player to be a PG over a SG?

You damn right. Just please visualize for a second Sam Cassell guarding a SG. That's right - he shouldn't be. And now imagine a player shorter than Sam Cassell trying to guard a SG. There's your answer.

kd35sneighbor · Post #26 » by **kd35sneighbor** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:19 pm

I don't understand why this is so hard to accept that Waiters can't be a SG in the NBA. So many teams have made players as short as Waiters into PGs - just look at the guys he is compared to... Rodney Stuckey.

mcfly1204 · Post #27 » by **mcfly1204** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:19 pm

Why do you keep bringing up Cassell? Cassell was a poor defender on PGs and SGs. The fact that you mention Stuckey is incredibly ironic. Stuckey is a SG that has shown he cannot run an offense effectively.

kd35sneighbor · Post #28 » by **kd35sneighbor** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:21 pm

Related to this thread -

-I believe Waiters is better than Beal even though one is a PG and the other is a SG (albeit a bit undersized), they both have the same game except Waiters has a more advanced/refined game suited for the NBA.

kd35sneighbor · Post #29 » by **kd35sneighbor** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:24 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:Why do you keep bringing up Cassell? Cassell was a poor defender on PGs and SGs. The fact that you mention Stuckey is incredibly ironic. Stuckey is a SG that has shown he cannot run an offense effectively.

Because Cassell is the same height as Beal. Okay name me a player who was Cassell's height and effective at guarding SG's.

mcfly1204 · Post #30 » by **mcfly1204** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:24 pm

kd35sneighbor wrote:
mcfly1204 wrote:Why do you keep bringing up Cassell? Cassell was a poor defender on PGs and SGs. The fact that you mention Stuckey is incredibly ironic. Stuckey is a SG that has shown he cannot run an offense effectively.

Because Cassell is the same height as Beal. Okay name me a player who was Cassell's height and effective at guarding SG's.

Delonte West. Any more brain busters?

kd35sneighbor · Post #31 » by **kd35sneighbor** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:25 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:Why do you keep bringing up Cassell? Cassell was a poor defender on PGs and SGs. The fact that you mention Stuckey is incredibly ironic. Stuckey is a SG that has shown he cannot run an offense effectively.

Stuckey IS an SG but he is forced to play PG because of his height. Don't you think Detroit would have placed him at SG if he would have been successful there?

ManualRam · Post #32 » by **ManualRam** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:25 pm

kd35sneighbor wrote:
mcfly1204 wrote:Why do you keep bringing up Cassell? Cassell was a poor defender on PGs and SGs. The fact that you mention Stuckey is incredibly ironic. Stuckey is a SG that has shown he cannot run an offense effectively.

Because Cassell is the same height as Beal. Okay name me a player who was Cassell's height and effective at guarding SG's.

avery bradley

ManualRam · Post #33 » by **ManualRam** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:27 pm

kd35sneighbor wrote:
mcfly1204 wrote:Why do you keep bringing up Cassell? Cassell was a poor defender on PGs and SGs. The fact that you mention Stuckey is incredibly ironic. Stuckey is a SG that has shown he cannot run an offense effectively.

Stuckey IS an SG but he is forced to play PG because of his height. Don't you think Detroit would have placed him at SG if he would have been successful there?

stuckey played SG this yr.

kd35sneighbor · Post #34 » by **kd35sneighbor** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:28 pm

Delonte West/ Avery Bradley these players are as rare as they come and usually are not the recipe for success. Add in the fact that they are more used as specialized players, and not major rotational pieces to be depended on. If Waiters has any hope to be a star in the NBA he needs to be groomed as a PG and utilized like Westbrook.

kd35sneighbor · Post #35 » by **kd35sneighbor** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:28 pm

ManualRam wrote:
kd35sneighbor wrote:
mcfly1204 wrote:Why do you keep bringing up Cassell? Cassell was a poor defender on PGs and SGs. The fact that you mention Stuckey is incredibly ironic. Stuckey is a SG that has shown he cannot run an offense effectively.

Stuckey IS an SG but he is forced to play PG because of his height. Don't you think Detroit would have placed him at SG if he would have been successful there?

stuckey played SG this yr.

How effective was he?

mcfly1204 · Post #36 » by **mcfly1204** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:31 pm

Delonte West started for the Cavaliers as their SG for several playoff series, and not only that, he excelled. This is a 6' 2" SG that was able to effectively defend the likes of Vince Carter (NJ) and Joe Johnson. Your paint by numbers approach here is not surprising, but also rather ignorant. The only reason why he has not be a contributor year after year is because he is bat **** crazy.

ManualRam · Post #37 » by **ManualRam** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:32 pm

kd35sneighbor wrote:
ManualRam wrote:
kd35sneighbor wrote:
Stuckey IS an SG but he is forced to play PG because of his height. Don't you think Detroit would have placed him at SG if he would have been successful there?

stuckey played SG this yr.

How effective was he?

i thought he had a pretty solid season. stuckey's problem isnt size at the 2. his problem is that he's not a good shooter.

ManualRam · Post #38 » by **ManualRam** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:33 pm

kd35sneighbor wrote:Delonte West/ Avery Bradley these players are as rare as they come and usually are not the recipe for success. Add in the fact that they are more used as specialized players, and not major rotational pieces to be depended on. If Waiters has any hope to be a star in the NBA he needs to be groomed as a PG and utilized like Westbrook.

sidney moncrief.
joe dumars.

kd35sneighbor · Post #39 » by **kd35sneighbor** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:35 pm

As I said

-it is rare for a player of that height to be effective at guarding average size SGs
-these short SG's are usually specialized role players
-None of them have turned into a star

kd35sneighbor · Post #40 » by **kd35sneighbor** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:37 pm

So really, you guys would rather have him a hard time fighting his limitations at the SG' spot than groom him to become a scoring PG (which the league is turning PG's into these days and majority of them are)