Jackie Carmichael

[CBB_Fan]

We'll agree to disagree on this one. I think he has a weak shooting stroke beyond ten feet and is an undersized low post player. Synergy Sports says that only 34% of his points came from shots away from the rim. A full 40% of his points came from back-to-the basket low post play. RipCity is spot on, IMO.

Josh, when a player gets 66% of his points at the rim, you are correct that it's not "all at the rim". Just 2/3 of his total point production at the rim.

I'm not trying to knock the guy, fellers. I'm a realist. I still don't see the Boozer comparison other than the size and screaming. That ceiling is too high, IMO.

His point distribution is indeed skewed towards the low post plays, but he took more jumpers than he did low post attempts. He was just significantly more effective on the low block (72% around the rim).

[Winglish]

He was just significantly more effective on the low block (72% around the rim).

Exactly! He's a low post player!

[teamjosh04]

Winglish, youve got some good points and I didnt read the rest of the thread before addressing your post. Didnt mean to pile on. I am a huge fan of Carmichael's game in college, but I am actually less enthused about his pro prospects.

You are right that he is more effective currently at the rim as he takes 45% of his shots at the rim, but 66% of his points come in that same range. Im not saying Carmichael was a good shooter in college, but I don't think he will have much trouble becoming a good shooter from that area with more repetition. The guy has improved every year, has a good looking shot, can hit from 18 feet, and will be able to focus more on his shooting in the pros. It seemed he was really focused on improving his post game in college.

He does remind me of Boozer a bit and I made that comparison awhile back, but I definitely worry a bit about him being able to find a niche in the league. He's good at a lot of things, but not great at any.

In some of the statistical analysts Ive looked at, hes rated very poorly. If it wasnt for that, Id be less apprehensive about taking Carmichael in the late first round. I think if you are a team picking in the late first round, there are always going to be some more intriguing options on the board.

And if you take a look at PFs currently in the NBA, there arent a lot of guys like Carmichael anymore. His type is a dying breed. He's a Brian Skinner type.

[Winglish]

...and Brian Skinner played 14 seasons in the NBA. That's a great career for anyone. I like the comp. Nicely done, teamjosh.

I think the aforementioned Kenyon Martin comparison is the best case scenario ceiling here (the player on the court; not the man).

[reapaman]

We'll agree to disagree on this one. I think he has a weak shooting stroke beyond ten feet and is an undersized low post player. Synergy Sports says that only 34% of his points came from shots away from the rim. A full 40% of his points came from back-to-the basket low post play. RipCity is spot on, IMO.

Josh, when a player gets 66% of his points at the rim, you are correct that it's not "all at the rim". Just 2/3 of his total point production at the rim.

I'm not trying to knock the guy, fellers. I'm a realist. I still don't see the Boozer comparison other than the size and screaming. That ceiling is too high, IMO.

Boozer got way over 60% of his points at rim at Duke (probley around 70%). I mean he jumpshooted way more in the NBA than he did at Duke and in 2007 for example, 60% of Boozer points came at rim. So I don't see where your getting at.

And the boozer comparison was based on playing style in college and not career projectory. No one said he will be as good as Boozer but if you look at Boozer in college and Carmichael in college, they play similar even though Boozer was better. Be careful of stats and also don't compare Carmichael to NBA Boozer because Boozer wasn't the same level of jumper he was in college. Carmichael jumpshot will get better. Mabey you can say Carmichael is the middle class version of boozer or something (or a poor mans boozer although thats too low imo) but its a better fit than Skinner and Martin. His playing style is way different than them (especially skinner, where did that come from?).

[Winglish]

Reapa, are you still holding out hope that Kendall Marshall will improve his shooting? A few players do completely change who they are. Most don't. I'm glad you hold on to hope. I can see you're an optimist and I like that about you. I tend to see things for what they are right now.

[reapaman]

Reapa, are you still holding out hope that Kendall Marshall will improve his shooting? A few players do completely change who they are. Most don't. I'm glad you hold on to hope. I can see you're an optimist and I like that about you. I tend to see things for what they are right now.

How dare you insult the great Kendall!!!!

Anywho .... Kendall's a different story than Carmichael. Carmichael actually has solid form and mechanics, he just needs some minor adjustments. His shot from 10-14 feet is pretty solid, plus 32% from out to 18 feet is really not that bad honestly. Kendall on the other hand ... I think saying that his shooting mechanics and form are like wet turd would be too generous which is why even I said phoenix was silly for picking him in the lottery because its gonna be really hard for him to fix it. Shooting can be decieving in college tho. Take Kawhi Leonard and Rajon Rondo. Both were horrible shooters in college yet one of them became a solid shooter as soon as they got into the NBA while the other stil sucks. Carmichael falls in the Leonard category and unfortunately Kendall may fall in the Rondo category but if anyone can rise from a pool of hopelessness .... its Kendall.

[sunshinekids99]

I see Carmichael as a "safe pick" in the early second round. While he's not going to have that high ceiling he is a player that can come in and play right away in the NBA. He already has an NBA body to go with a good post game. He's not going to be Carlos Boozer, but he can have a very nice career in the league.

[Catchall]

Not Boozer, but maybe Taj Gibson?