Has Wiggins been compared to Cory Brewer?

[Tave]

Wiggins is playing better, not a ton, but better as a Freshman than Brewer did as a Junior, while taking more responsibility on both ends of the floor. Wiggins appears to have better shooting form + pull up + range, while Brewer's J always looked broke. Neither one is a dynamic ballhandler. Wiggins could become a threat of the dribble but it remains to be seen.

Body Type? Nah I don't see that. Andrew was 15-20 pounds heavier than Brewer entering college, and Brewer never put on any weight.

[rockmanslim]

It's been said before, for eg Wally Z said Corey Brewer was his Wiggins comparison on Brian Windhorst's (excellent) podcast

From January 28, 2014

skip to around 17:30
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=10364646

[Jazzfan12]

Wiggins is playing better, not a ton, but better as a Freshman than Brewer did as a Junior, while taking more responsibility on both ends of the floor. Wiggins appears to have better shooting form + pull up + range, while Brewer's J always looked broke. Neither one is a dynamic ballhandler. Wiggins could become a threat of the dribble but it remains to be seen.

Body Type? Nah I don't see that. Andrew was 15-20 pounds heavier than Brewer entering college, and Brewer never put on any weight.

Hmm? Sophomore Brewer is pretty far ahead of Wiggins statistically (other than playing a couple fewer minutes per game) and Brewer was an elite defensive player. I don't think it's fair to say Wiggins has been better in college.

[Tave]

Wiggins is playing better, not a ton, but better as a Freshman than Brewer did as a Junior, while taking more responsibility on both ends of the floor. Wiggins appears to have better shooting form + pull up + range, while Brewer's J always looked broke. Neither one is a dynamic ballhandler. Wiggins could become a threat of the dribble but it remains to be seen.

Body Type? Nah I don't see that. Andrew was 15-20 pounds heavier than Brewer entering college, and Brewer never put on any weight.

Hmm? Sophomore Brewer is pretty far ahead of Wiggins statistically (other than playing a couple fewer minutes per game) and Brewer was an elite defensive player. I don't think it's fair to say Wiggins has been better in college.

How is 12.7/4.8/3.3 on 57% TS "pretty far ahead" of 16/5.9/1.6 on 55% TS???

[Jazzfan12]

Wiggins is playing better, not a ton, but better as a Freshman than Brewer did as a Junior, while taking more responsibility on both ends of the floor. Wiggins appears to have better shooting form + pull up + range, while Brewer's J always looked broke. Neither one is a dynamic ballhandler. Wiggins could become a threat of the dribble but it remains to be seen.

Body Type? Nah I don't see that. Andrew was 15-20 pounds heavier than Brewer entering college, and Brewer never put on any weight.

Hmm? Sophomore Brewer is pretty far ahead of Wiggins statistically (other than playing a couple fewer minutes per game) and Brewer was an elite defensive player. I don't think it's fair to say Wiggins has been better in college.

How is 12.7/4.8/3.3 on 57% TS "pretty far ahead" of 16/5.9/1.6 on 55% TS???

Brewer played five MPG less than Wiggins. Adjusting for minutes it's

19.8/7.3/2/1.3/1 vs. 18/6.8/4.7/2.2/0.6

With the really large difference of steals and assists giving Brewer an edge in stats.

[Tave]

Hmm? Sophomore Brewer is pretty far ahead of Wiggins statistically (other than playing a couple fewer minutes per game) and Brewer was an elite defensive player. I don't think it's fair to say Wiggins has been better in college.

How is 12.7/4.8/3.3 on 57% TS "pretty far ahead" of 16/5.9/1.6 on 55% TS???

Brewer played five MPG less than Wiggins. Adjusting for minutes it's

19.8/7.3/2/1.3/1 vs. 18/6.8/4.7/2.2/0.6

With the really large difference of steals and assists giving Brewer an edge in stats.

"Really large" = 2 assists and 1 steal?? What about Wiggins 2 extra point and half board/block? Argue they're roughly equal, fine, but "pretty far ahead" c'mon. Furthermore you need to be wary of comparing 2 guys playing hefty starters minutes on a per/minute basis. Wiggins leads his team in scoring and minutes, shouldering more responsibility and load.That counts for something, as far as what they actually contribute to the game Wiggins goes out there and produces 33% more offense. You just don't assume that a lower minute, opportunistic scorer can replicate that with more minutes/shots as a matter of course. It takes talent to create when teams are gearing in to stop you first. Both are/were surrounded by exceptional talent but Wiggins is already leading that talent as a freshman while Brewer never really did. Finally, Brewer didn't improve statistically his next season, so why does what he did his Sophomore year matter?

(Don't worry, I know: "Sophomore Brewer was almost as good as Freshman Wiggins" doesn't sound nearly as silly as "Junior Brewer was almost as good as Freshman Wiggins")

[Tave]

TL;DR----> Here's an analogy: who thinks Rodney Stucky is a viable 20ppg option?

[dballislife]

Wiggins is at worst a derozan/gay like player imo

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[Tave]

Additionally the Brewer comparison really underrates Wiggins' athletic ceiling. Brewer is a great run/jump dude--Andrew is at the elite of the elite with unbelievable 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th springs, midair body control, huge hands, and a willingness to finish either direction. Obviously very young and recently grown into his body, nevertheless he's the best athlete on the floor every night.

Wiggins looks like a new-born Bambi bouncing around on the moon. Give him an offseason or two with the weights and he is all of the sudden unstoppable.

[noobcake]

Additionally the Brewer comparison really underrates Wiggins' athletic ceiling. Brewer is a great run/jump dude--Andrew is at the elite of the elite with unbelievable 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th springs, midair body control, huge hands, and a willingness to finish either direction. Obviously very young and recently grown into his body, nevertheless he's the best athlete on the floor every night.

Wiggins looks like a new-born Bambi bouncing around on the moon. Give him an offseason or two with the weights and he is all of the sudden unstoppable.

Sooo, he is athletic and has potential? Or can you remind us again of the things that Wiggins has been doing on the basketball court with his "elite of the elite" athleticism?

[MiltownHawkeye]

Additionally the Brewer comparison really underrates Wiggins' athletic ceiling. Brewer is a great run/jump dude--Andrew is at the elite of the elite with unbelievable 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th springs, midair body control, huge hands, and a willingness to finish either direction. Obviously very young and recently grown into his body, nevertheless he's the best athlete on the floor every night.

Wiggins looks like a new-born Bambi bouncing around on the moon. Give him an offseason or two with the weights and he is all of the sudden unstoppable.

Sooo, he is athletic and has potential? Or can you remind us again of the things that Wiggins has been doing on the basketball court with his "elite of the elite" athleticism?

Your anti-Wiggins agenda is pretty blatant and ridiculous.

[noobcake]

Additionally the Brewer comparison really underrates Wiggins' athletic ceiling. Brewer is a great run/jump dude--Andrew is at the elite of the elite with unbelievable 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th springs, midair body control, huge hands, and a willingness to finish either direction. Obviously very young and recently grown into his body, nevertheless he's the best athlete on the floor every night.

Wiggins looks like a new-born Bambi bouncing around on the moon. Give him an offseason or two with the weights and he is all of the sudden unstoppable.

Sooo, he is athletic and has potential? Or can you remind us again of the things that Wiggins has been doing on the basketball court with his "elite of the elite" athleticism?

Your anti-Wiggins agenda is pretty blatant and ridiculous.

I absolutely see no basketball skills in Wiggins..

[MiltownHawkeye]

Defending, penetrating, getting to the line, rebounding, and shooting well from 3-point range aren't basketball skills now?

But he doesn't iso on every possession or have a complete offensive repertoire at the ripe old age of 19 so yeah I guess he'll be a pretty unskilled player forever.

[Tave]

Additionally the Brewer comparison really underrates Wiggins' athletic ceiling. Brewer is a great run/jump dude--Andrew is at the elite of the elite with unbelievable 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th springs, midair body control, huge hands, and a willingness to finish either direction. Obviously very young and recently grown into his body, nevertheless he's the best athlete on the floor every night.

Wiggins looks like a new-born Bambi bouncing around on the moon. Give him an offseason or two with the weights and he is all of the sudden unstoppable.

Sooo, he is athletic and has potential? Or can you remind us again of the things that Wiggins has been doing on the basketball court with his "elite of the elite" athleticism?

He's getting to the foul line at will with everyone in the country dogging on his handles. The second he sees the open floor it takes him about 2 strides to cover half the court. Typically guards the best opposing wing while leading his team in scoring and leading his team in minutes played as a freshman. Throws down effortlessly around the open basket regardless of his footing or timing.

[Jazzfan12]

Wiggins shoots 58% at the rim, that's significantly worse than Trey Burke shot at the rim last year and is worse than what SloMo shoots at the rim.

[Ruzious]

Sooo, he is athletic and has potential? Or can you remind us again of the things that Wiggins has been doing on the basketball court with his "elite of the elite" athleticism?

Your anti-Wiggins agenda is pretty blatant and ridiculous.

I absolutely see no basketball skills in Wiggins..

You just proved his point.

[noobcake]

Defending, penetrating, getting to the line, rebounding, and shooting well from 3-point range aren't basketball skills now?

But he doesn't iso on every possession or have a complete offensive repertoire at the ripe old age of 19 so yeah I guess he'll be a pretty unskilled player forever.

Defense: For his supposed elite defense, his defense rating is very mediocre compared to other NBA SF prospects projected in the first round. In fact, he is more or less a defensive sieve. Defense is about the fundamentals; it is not about jumping high and making impressive plays once in a while.

Wiggins: 102.8 DTtg
Hood: 104.9
Parker: 97.9
Grant: 95.5
Anderson: 95.5
Robinson: 102.0

Rebounding: A 6'8" averaging 5.9 rebounds a game in college is nothing special. In fact, Wiggins is ranked 490th in TRB% the NCAA in terms qualified F/G-F with qualifying minutes > 20 minutes a game.

Shooting: Since when does 34.9% from the college 3 equate to shooting well? I'm not going to even bother the number of projected first rounders shooting above 43% right now.

Penetration: There are no advanced foul drawing rates on basketball reference, but Wiggins doesn't have significantly higher free throw attempt than other SF prospects listed above.

For an prospect as highly touted as Wiggins, I'm seriously having a difficult time coming up with things that Wiggins is actually elite at. If you analyze his stats, you won't find any aspect that is more than above average. If you go with the eye test, you can't claim that any single aspect of his game is actually is polished. Well, you might want to say, it wouldn't be fair for you to expect Wiggins to have a polished skillset at age 19. I would tell you that there are other prospects out there with polished and elite skill sets while having 70-90% of Wiggins' athleticism relative to their position.

For a top 3 pick, within the last few years, Wiggins is by far the prospect most built up on the alters of athleticism and potential.

I'm done refuting the arguments of Wigginstans. I have not seen one line of argument in support of Wiggins that does not eventually boil down to athleticism and potential.

[Joseph17]

It's been said before, for eg Wally Z said Corey Brewer was his Wiggins comparison on Brian Windhorst's (excellent) podcast

From January 28, 2014

skip to around 17:30
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=10364646

Does Wally even know what he's talking about? He said that Embiid is like Theo Ratliff and Parker is like Pierce/Melo, but he'd pick Embiid at 1. He also said that he thinks Lebron has a chance at going down as the goat which I strongly disagree with.

[Mik317]

You know calling anyone who dissagrees with you a WigginsStan doesn't help your case bro.

[noobcake]

You know calling anyone who dissagrees with you a WigginsStan doesn't help your case bro.

Blind support by definition makes one a -stan.