Frank Kaminsky

[doordoor123]

OP didn't even ask for comparisons.

Late first round pick, will struggle to stay in the league.

Screw comparisons.

[Ghost]

I hadn't even really heard about him until the tournament but now everyone is going crazy. His post play and shooting both have looked pretty good these last two games.. But honestly that's all I've watched of him.

[Golabki]

People talk about his post-up game a lot, but I think he'll be an off-ball shooter 99% of the time in the NBA.

Hawes or Frye are reasonable comps... although both are probably better athletes than Kaminsky. You're hoping for an average defensive center that can hit the 3 and post-up only if the other team is trying to hide an undersized forward on him. That type of player is pretty damn useful in the NBA. Great pick in the late first for a good team.

[NightmanCometh]

What is his draft pick projection?

[Golden Angel]

Poor mans Kelly Olynyk.

[god4gives]

I made a thread about how Frank Kaminsky would be a better fit for what Phil Jackson is looking for in a center and it got close.

What is y'all opinion on him now ? Do y'all think he's better than OK4. I seen their matchup and although Duke won the game it seemed Kaminsky won that match between the two

[Johnlac1]

I made a thread about how Frank Kaminsky would be a better fit for what Phil Jackson is looking for in a center and it got close.

What is y'all opinion on him now ? Do y'all think he's better than OK4. I seen their matchup and although Duke won the game it seemed Kaminsky won that match between the two

If a Zaza Pachullia can be a starting center in the league, Kaminsky certainly has a shot. Kaminsky is a better athlete than Zaza, has a better offensive game, and for sure can't be a worse def center. That would almost be impossible.
If he played center, Kaminsky would have one of the best all-around off. games of any center in the league. Kelly Olynyk is the only other center (when he plays center) who has similar off. skills. He, Kaminsky, i's a dead shot from the outside and he has an excellent post game. Would he be able to score on top NBA centers like he does college centers? Probably not. But he would be a tough cover for most NBA centers with his ability to put the ball on the floor.
The big question is: can he guard NBA centers. He's not real strong nor possessed of great def. instincts. But again, if Pachullia can be a starting NBA center, Kaminsky certainly can.

[ManualRam]

I made a thread about how Frank Kaminsky would be a better fit for what Phil Jackson is looking for in a center and it got close.

What is y'all opinion on him now ? Do y'all think he's better than OK4. I seen their matchup and although Duke won the game it seemed Kaminsky won that match between the two

to me its looking more and more like his best defensive position in the nba is PF. he has the mobility to hold his own there imo. at C, i think his lack of strength would be exposed.

no, he's not better than okafor. nobody "won" that matchup. also, one is a senior, the other is a freshman.
you're seriously debating who to take b/t okafor and kaminsky?
you take the better prospect. it's not even debatable who to take bt the 2. a pure post can and has succeeded in the triangle. shaq? bynum? gasol too to an extent.
i wouldnt question how okafor would fit in the system, but i would question how he'd fit with melo, but you can say that about any prospect...or any player really.

[god4gives]

I made a thread about how Frank Kaminsky would be a better fit for what Phil Jackson is looking for in a center and it got close.

What is y'all opinion on him now ? Do y'all think he's better than OK4. I seen their matchup and although Duke won the game it seemed Kaminsky won that match between the two

If a Zaza Pachullia can be a starting center in the league, Kaminsky certainly has a shot. Kaminsky is a better athlete than Zaza, has a better offensive game, and for sure can't be a worse def center. That would almost be impossible.
If he played center, Kaminsky would have one of the best all-around off. games of any center in the league. Kelly Olynyk is the only other center (when he plays center) who has similar off. skills. He, Kaminsky, i's a dead shot from the outside and he has an excellent post game. Would he be able to score on top NBA centers like he does college centers? Probably not. But he would be tough cover for most NBA centers with his ability to put the ball on the floor.
The big question is: can he guard NBA centers. He's not real strong nor possessed of great def. instincts. But again, if Pachullia can be a starting NBA center, Kaminsky certainly can.

Olynyk is a dead on comparison but I think Kaminsky definitely improved his defense and rim protection.

[god4gives]

I made a thread about how Frank Kaminsky would be a better fit for what Phil Jackson is looking for in a center and it got close.

What is y'all opinion on him now ? Do y'all think he's better than OK4. I seen their matchup and although Duke won the game it seemed Kaminsky won that match between the two

to me its looking more and more like his best defensive position in the nba is PF. he has the mobility to hold his own there imo. at C, i think his lack of strength would be exposed.

no, he's not better than okafor. nobody "won" that matchup. also, one is a senior, the other is a freshman.
you're seriously debating who to take b/t okafor and kaminsky?
you take the better prospect. it's not even debatable who to take bt the 2. a pure post can and has succeeded in the triangle. shaq? bynum? gasol too to an extent.
i wouldn't question how okafor would fit in the system, but i would question how he'd fit with melo, but you can say that about any prospect...or any player really.

yeah his strength is definitely his weakness. OK4 had his way with him a couple of times but there were times he had problems. Have you seen this video

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC7feDM8cIQ[/youtube]

[ManualRam]

i saw the game. i dont feel the need to watch that video.

[Marcus]

from watching the game and the video i can see where they were going with it video wise. Actual game footage though you can see how Jah is the better prospect. That game was more or less the Tyus Jones show. Jah still put up damn near equal numbers without forcing hardly anything that whole game. watching that game you can see a guy who has a solid team first attitude and did what he could when the chances presented themselves. I would say moving his feet on the perimeter would be his major drawback and considering he's a center thats to be expected. Ty was the only one that could get him the ball on the block when he called for it and when he did get it where he wanted he always got a good look. Jah's a killer on the blocks and if that bank shot is forreal going forward then the bigman death toll will rise.

Frank was impressive as well to me but the shear fact and idea that on post switches he had PGs fronting him and he couldn't hold them off effectively enough to receive an entry pass is alarming when thinking of him being a pure center in the league coming in after his SENIOR year. Love that PnP potential though, moves much bettter and is smarter on the defensive end this year and should be able to draw bigs away from the cup in the league similar to how he did it in this game against Duke.

[Johnlac1]

I made a thread about how Frank Kaminsky would be a better fit for what Phil Jackson is looking for in a center and it got close.

What is y'all opinion on him now ? Do y'all think he's better than OK4. I seen their matchup and although Duke won the game it seemed Kaminsky won that match between the two

If a Zaza Pachullia can be a starting center in the league, Kaminsky certainly has a shot. Kaminsky is a better athlete than Zaza, has a better offensive game, and for sure can't be a worse def center. That would almost be impossible.
If he played center, Kaminsky would have one of the best all-around off. games of any center in the league. Kelly Olynyk is the only other center (when he plays center) who has similar off. skills. He, Kaminsky, i's a dead shot from the outside and he has an excellent post game. Would he be able to score on top NBA centers like he does college centers? Probably not. But he would be tough cover for most NBA centers with his ability to put the ball on the floor.
The big question is: can he guard NBA centers. He's not real strong nor possessed of great def. instincts. But again, if Pachullia can be a starting NBA center, Kaminsky certainly can.

Olynyk is a dead on comparison but I think Kaminsky definitely improved his defense and rim protection.

As a big Badger fan, I remember the Frank Kaminsky from two years ago. The improvement is nothing short of incredible. Even when he was doing it last year, I had my doubts about Frank's chances for the pros. He actually looks better this year.

[Johnlac1]

from watching the game and the video i can see where they were going with it video wise. Actual game footage though you can see how Jah is the better prospect. That game was more or less the Tyus Jones show. Jah still put up damn near equal numbers without forcing hardly anything that whole game. watching that game you can see a guy who has a solid team first attitude and did what he could when the chances presented themselves. I would say moving his feet on the perimeter would be his major drawback and considering he's a center thats to be expected. Ty was the only one that could get him the ball on the block when he called for it and when he did get it where he wanted he always got a good look. Jah's a killer on the blocks and if that bank shot is forreal going forward then the bigman death toll will rise.

Frank was impressive as well to me but the shear fact and idea that on post switches he had PGs fronting him and he couldn't hold them off effectively enough to receive an entry pass is alarming when thinking of him being a pure center in the league coming in after his SENIOR year. Love that PnP potential though, moves much bettter and is smarter on the defensive end this year and should be able to draw bigs away from the cup in the league similar to how he did it in this game against Duke.

You would have had to see what Frank looked like two years ago....a big zero with absolutely no chance for the pros. Badger fans were just hoping he'd be a semi-competent player in college.
Now he's being touted by many as a legitimate lottery selection. It's just unbelievable how much he's improved from his soph year.
I doubt he'll ever be a great pro, but he can help a lot of teams. As long as he can play adequate defense and rebound. Which I think is possible.

[Marcus]

You would have had to see what Frank looked like two years ago....a big zero with absolutely no chance for the pros. Badger fans were just hoping he'd be a semi-competent player in college.
Now he's being touted by many as a legitimate lottery selection. It's just unbelievable how much he's improved from his soph year.
I doubt he'll ever be a great pro, but he can help a lot of teams. As long as he can play adequate defense and rebound. Which I think is possible.

yeah i heard he was nowhere near where he is now which says a lot about how he learns and WANTS to learn. That's pretty impressive. I think he's a legit player in the league.

[Chuck Everett]

No rim protection. He's going to have to turn into a stretch player. We'll see if he can. I have my doubts.

[reanimator]

oops

[theboomking]

Is Kaminsky an NBA center or PF?

[AussieBuck]

I've only watched him once but he reminded me of David Anderson.

[noobcake]

He can't defend PF in the NBA. He is too large and slow for that.

He can play a stretch C like Frye, but his shot right now is too poor to be effective.

I don't get why people have him in the lotto. He was crap early in his career and is playing well this year only because he is much more skilled and physically dominant, an indication of a skill plateau.

His best case is Hawes. I don't think any lotto team is that desperate for a medium floor, low ceiling center prospect.