Can Nikola Jokic really shoot 3?

[ManualRam]

this guy is slow as hell and looks like he can't even jump rope. he moves like a taller kyle wiltjer.

[Notanoob]

I dont think so
kid is 19yrs old, dont forget! He is improving himself day and night.
when doug is 19, how about his shot? also, how about dirk 19yrs?

McDermott's shot was excellent at 19, he hit over 40% of his shots from 3. Not everyone gets better at shooting, even if they work hard, and you seem to think that it's reasonable that he'll go from a poor shooter to one of the greatest in history (assuming he puts up McDermott like percentages in the NBA). If you can't see how that's totally absurd than I can't help you.

I check last 14 games, alec brown made about 16 3P, Payne made 24 3P.

This is relevant because...?

[20110913]

check this
Just By the Numbers: the 2014 Power Forward Crop
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Jus ... Crop-4610/

This article has a number in it that I want to cross-check:
"but Nikola Jokic's outrageous 80% shooting from 2-point range"

Can anyone confirm this percentage?!? I assume he's doing this with a really effective post game (there is no way I believe 80% on jumpers). Can anyone who's seen some whole games of his comment on how good Jokic is in the post.

IT IS TRUE
CHECK IT HERE
http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Nik ... mary/49571

He made 146 of 229 2P, 63.8%

[20110913]

This is relevant because...?

Because last 14 is more important than other 14

[Notanoob]

check this
Just By the Numbers: the 2014 Power Forward Crop
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Jus ... Crop-4610/

This article has a number in it that I want to cross-check:
"but Nikola Jokic's outrageous 80% shooting from 2-point range"

Can anyone confirm this percentage?!? I assume he's doing this with a really effective post game (there is no way I believe 80% on jumpers). Can anyone who's seen some whole games of his comment on how good Jokic is in the post.

I can't find that number anywhere. On DX itself his stats with Mega Vizura this year have him shooting 63.6% from 2 and 22.1% from 3 over the course of 26 games. That looks like it was a mistake.

[20110913]

this guy is slow as hell and looks like he can't even jump rope. he moves like a taller kyle wiltjer.

but he made 63.8% 2FG% ASLL SEASON , 48% 3FG% FOR last 14 games

[20110913]

check this
Just By the Numbers: the 2014 Power Forward Crop
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Jus ... Crop-4610/

This article has a number in it that I want to cross-check:
"but Nikola Jokic's outrageous 80% shooting from 2-point range"

Can anyone confirm this percentage?!? I assume he's doing this with a really effective post game (there is no way I believe 80% on jumpers). Can anyone who's seen some whole games of his comment on how good Jokic is in the post.

I can't find that number anywhere. On DX itself his stats with Mega Vizura this year have him shooting 63.6% from 2 and 22.1% from 3 over the course of 26 games. That looks like it was a mistake.

LOL, REALGM STATS IS ENOUGH
DX STATS is wrong， he played 39 games

[Notanoob]

This is relevant because...?

Because last 14 is more important than other 14

Why is that? You do realize that 14 games is too small of a sample size to accurately judge how well a guy can shoot, right? I bet you Josh Smith has had a stretch of 14 games where he shot the ball well but he's one of the worst jump shooters in the league.

[Notanoob]

LOL, REALGM STATS IS ENOUGH
DX STATS is wrong， he played 39 games

That link doesn't give us 2P%, although we can figure it out.

This season with Meg Vizura, according to what I'm seeing in that link, he made 181 of 340 total attempts. From three, he took 111 shots and hit 35 of them.

(181-35)/(340-111)= 63.8% 2P% for the season.

He also shot 31.5% from 3, so I have no idea where you're coming up with these numbers.

[20110913]

This is relevant because...?

Because last 14 is more important than other 14

Why is that? You do realize that 14 games is too small of a sample size to accurately judge how well a guy can shoot, right? I bet you Josh Smith has had a stretch of 14 games where he shot the ball well but he's one of the worst jump shooters in the league.

IF you knew how important 3PTA/FGA is to judge a shooter, you would not say so

[20110913]

LOL, REALGM STATS IS ENOUGH
DX STATS is wrong， he played 39 games

That link doesn't give us 2P%, although we can figure it out.

This season with Meg Vizura, according to what I'm seeing in that link, he made 181 of 340 total attempts. From three, he took 111 shots and hit 35 of them.

(181-35)/(340-111)= 63.8% 2P% for the season.

He also shot 31.5% from 3, so I have no idea where you're coming up with these numbers.

63.8%, 2fg% u r right.

last 14 games, just check the game logs at that page, LOL

[Notanoob]

63.8%, 2fg% u r right.

last 14 games, just check the game logs at that page, LOL

A 14 game sample is less meaningful than a full 39 game sample. You have given me no reason to base my opinion of him based on a smaller sample size.

Because last 14 is more important than other 14

Why is that? You do realize that 14 games is too small of a sample size to accurately judge how well a guy can shoot, right? I bet you Josh Smith has had a stretch of 14 games where he shot the ball well but he's one of the worst jump shooters in the league.

IF you knew how important 3PTA/FGA is to judge a shooter, you would not say so

That literally just tells me that he take a lot of 3's out of the total number of shots he takes, it doesn't tell me how good he is. You do know that that is the % of shots he takes that are 3's, not the percentage of 3's that he makes, right?

Have you even taken a basic statistics class? If you tried to form a confidence interval on a sample size as small as the ones you're using, the interval would basically include every possible %, meaning that you can't draw any conclusions from it.

Try being explicit this time. Why is it exactly that the last 14 games are more important than the other 14?

[20110913]

Why is that? You do realize that 14 games is too small of a sample size to accurately judge how well a guy can shoot, right? I bet you Josh Smith has had a stretch of 14 games where he shot the ball well but he's one of the worst jump shooters in the league.

IF you knew how important 3PTA/FGA is to judge a shooter, you would not say so

That literally just tells me that he take a lot of 3's out of the total number of shots he takes, it doesn't tell me how good he is. You do know that that is the % of shots he takes that are 3's, not the percentage of 3's that he makes, right?

Have you even taken a basic statistics class? If you tried to form a confidence interval on a sample size as small as the ones you're using, the interval would basically include every possible %, meaning that you can't draw any conclusions from it.

Try being explicit this time. Why is it exactly that the last 14 games are more important than the other 14?

oMG, do you know what is Playoffs and madnessMarch?

That is why last14 is so important

[Notanoob]

oMG, do you know what is Playoffs and madnessMarch?

That is why last14 is so important

English doesn't appear to be your first language, where are you from? It's March Madness by the way.

[ManualRam]

this guy is slow as hell and looks like he can't even jump rope. he moves like a taller kyle wiltjer.

but he made 63.8% 2FG% ASLL SEASON , 48% 3FG% FOR last 14 games

thats cool. he's still a really tall slug. kid also looks like he's never lifted a weight his entire life. he's got a soft build.

[20110913]

oMG, do you know what is Playoffs and madnessMarch?

That is why last14 is so important

English doesn't appear to be your first language, where are you from? It's March Madness by the way.

I always said I am greek， but I lied

guess where i am from

[Notanoob]

oMG, do you know what is Playoffs and madnessMarch?

That is why last14 is so important

English doesn't appear to be your first language, where are you from? It's March Madness by the way.

I always said I am greek， but I lied

guess where i am from

Uh, okay. I don't know, Serbia? If you don't want to tell me that's fine.

In any event, I don't know why you picked 14 games for college players. The March Madness tournament is only 6 games for a team at the most, if they go all the way to the championship game, so your 14 games sample size will always include some regular season games too.

In any event, it is still not good to judge a prospect by what he did in a handful of playoff games. It is simply too small of a sample. If you did that, you'd have plenty of scrubs who happened to be riding a hot streak getting drafted higher, or you would underdraft great players who happened to hit a cold streak or be in a bad matchup. It just isn't nearly as reliable as include every game that a prospect played in.

If you are looking to accurately predict how good a player will be, you need to use the largest amount of information possible, and that means using a player's stats from every single game that he played in, not just the playoff games.

[20110913]

before april, He made 13of 65 3P. terrible, right?

but why The coach dont stop this 19yrs kid?

you tell me, why??

[20110913]

English doesn't appear to be your first language, where are you from? It's March Madness by the way.

I always said I am greek， but I lied

guess where i am from

Uh, okay. I don't know, Serbia? If you don't want to tell me that's fine.

In any event, I don't know why you picked 14 games for college players. The March Madness tournament is only 6 games for a team at the most, if they go all the way to the championship game, so your 14 games sample size will always include some regular season games too.

In any event, it is still not good to judge a prospect by what he did in a handful of playoff games. It is simply too small of a sample. If you did that, you'd have plenty of scrubs who happened to be riding a hot streak getting drafted higher, or you would underdraft great players who happened to hit a cold streak or be in a bad matchup. It just isn't nearly as reliable as include every game that a prospect played in.

If you are looking to accurately predict how good a player will be, you need to use the largest amount of information possible, and that means using a player's stats from every single game that he played in, not just the playoff games.

The fact is we dont have huge info, right?
another sample is THanasis, is he a bad shooter? maybe.
but he made 48% Corner 3 last 20 games. He is very good at the corner

[greenandgold]

this guy is slow as hell and looks like he can't even jump rope. he moves like a taller kyle wiltjer.

but he made 63.8% 2FG% ASLL SEASON , 48% 3FG% FOR last 14 games

thats cool. he's still a really tall slug. kid also looks like he's never lifted a weight his entire life. he's got a soft build.

Jokic turned 19 in February. Do you really think his physique wouldn't develop with time and hard work in an NBA weight room?

Remember Joakim Noah's body as a college freshman? KD's physique as a college freshman? It takes time and Jokic has more of it than most of the players in the draft.