Why is Towns rated so much higher than Turner?

[god4gives]

Turner is an obvious talent, but he really really needs another year at Texas. He struggled most of this year and if he goes pro, I don't think he reaches his full potential.

^^^this

[LloydFree]

Yeah. The OP explains it. This question is being asked because the person has never seen the players. Never seeing the player, does save a lot of time though. They should rank the prospects by PER...

[Cammo101]

I like Turner better than most do, but Towns is one of those guys who just has a special feel for the game. I think you can build a franchise around him. Plus he's stronger and tougher than Turner - even if he does tend to fade away more than I'd like on inside jumpers. And he's a guy you really want on your side in crunch time. Turner can be a very good part of a supporting cast. At this point, I don't see him as being the main guy for a franchise. That could change - since he's only 18.

I had him as the #1 prospect in this class for a while. I am very high on his talent, but he has just been so inconsistent. I rarely say a kid who could be a lotto pick should return to school, but in this case, he could gain a lot by returning to school for another year. He'd be more of a go to guy next year and would then be entering what is likely a weaker big man draft.

Maybe, but many think that practicing against pros is better for development than playing in college. While he is really raw offensively, he did have a better block rate than Towns....2.7 per 22 minutes. Today he got in foul trouble and only had 16 minutes but still pulled down 10 rebounds.

For the record, I don't think he is on the same level as Towns, but it is interesting the numbers are pretty similar, and he is really young and has the same size with a longer wingspan. I'm just wondering if he would be a good pick for the Suns to back up Len, especially with Len being somewhat prone to injury.

Guys with his talent level need to learn to be a dominate player. He can't do that as a backup big in the NBA. Or at least it is less likely.

[bwgood77]

I had him as the #1 prospect in this class for a while. I am very high on his talent, but he has just been so inconsistent. I rarely say a kid who could be a lotto pick should return to school, but in this case, he could gain a lot by returning to school for another year. He'd be more of a go to guy next year and would then be entering what is likely a weaker big man draft.

Maybe, but many think that practicing against pros is better for development than playing in college. While he is really raw offensively, he did have a better block rate than Towns....2.7 per 22 minutes. Today he got in foul trouble and only had 16 minutes but still pulled down 10 rebounds.

For the record, I don't think he is on the same level as Towns, but it is interesting the numbers are pretty similar, and he is really young and has the same size with a longer wingspan. I'm just wondering if he would be a good pick for the Suns to back up Len, especially with Len being somewhat prone to injury.

Guys with his talent level need to learn to be a dominate player. He can't do that as a backup big in the NBA. Or at least it is less likely.

So do you feel the same way about Towns since there #s are even (ie, they dominate equally for the most part offensively and defensively) despite the impressive passing instincts allowing Towns to achieve over an assist a game?

[Cammo101]

So do you feel the same way about Towns since there #s are even (ie, they dominate equally for the most part offensively and defensively) despite the impressive passing instincts allowing Towns to achieve over an assist a game?

No. Towns is an NBA ready player who is taking less minutes and stats for the good of his team. On Texas, If they flip flopped teams, Towns would be an All American and Turner might not see the floor too often. Their situations are so different that their stat similarity is a mirage.

[Marcus]

Maybe, but many think that practicing against pros is better for development than playing in college. While he is really raw offensively, he did have a better block rate than Towns....2.7 per 22 minutes. Today he got in foul trouble and only had 16 minutes but still pulled down 10 rebounds.

For the record, I don't think he is on the same level as Towns, but it is interesting the numbers are pretty similar, and he is really young and has the same size with a longer wingspan. I'm just wondering if he would be a good pick for the Suns to back up Len, especially with Len being somewhat prone to injury.

Guys with his talent level need to learn to be a dominate player. He can't do that as a backup big in the NBA. Or at least it is less likely.

So do you feel the same way about Towns since there #s are even (ie, they dominate equally for the most part offensively and defensively) despite the impressive passing instincts allowing Towns to achieve over an assist a game?

Set the numbers to the side for a moment sir.

Towns is physically and mentally ready for his NBA run Turner isn't. Turner's game is heavily reliant on confidence when he's feeling good about what he's doing out there he looks the part of stud. When he isn't you can clearly see he needs more time at this level. Turner plays well against smaller guys, bangs to the point you wouldn't even recognize the kid on second glance. Then there are the times he's against NBA type size. He becomes timid, pushed around far to easily and settles moreso than taking the jumper in confidence. Can't stress enough how you really REALLY need to WATCH them and not just look at numbers.

I'm assuming you watch the NBA. 2 or 3 seasons back when the Pelicans were the Hornets and Greivis Vasquez was the starting PG he put up equal to better numbers than Rajon Rondo did for the Celts when he was healthy that year. You make that trade str8 up? probably not. Probably not even today you make that trade str8 up. Numbers only go so far.

also this

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNyJw_PiJoU[/youtube]

it was earlier in the year and he has gotten better since then overall, toughness and size is still in question though and that's what the video exposes some of.

[bwgood77]

So do you feel the same way about Towns since there #s are even (ie, they dominate equally for the most part offensively and defensively) despite the impressive passing instincts allowing Towns to achieve over an assist a game?

No. Towns is an NBA ready player who is taking less minutes and stats for the good of his team. On Texas, If they flip flopped teams, Towns would be an All American and Turner might not see the floor too often. Their situations are so different that their stat similarity is a mirage.

Well they have pretty similar minutes (Towns only has like 2 mpg less) but both teams have more experienced bigs who play more at times.

[bwgood77]

Guys with his talent level need to learn to be a dominate player. He can't do that as a backup big in the NBA. Or at least it is less likely.

So do you feel the same way about Towns since there #s are even (ie, they dominate equally for the most part offensively and defensively) despite the impressive passing instincts allowing Towns to achieve over an assist a game?

Set the numbers to the side for a moment sir.

Towns is physically and mentally ready for his NBA run Turner isn't. Turner's game is heavily reliant on confidence when he's feeling good about what he's doing out there he looks the part of stud. When he isn't you can clearly see he needs more time at this level. Turner plays well against smaller guys, bangs to the point you wouldn't even recognize the kid on second glance. Then there are the times he's against NBA type size. He becomes timid, pushed around far to easily and settles moreso than taking the jumper in confidence. Can't stress enough how you really REALLY need to WATCH them and not just look at numbers.

I'm assuming you watch the NBA. 2 or 3 seasons back when the Pelicans were the Hornets and Greivis Vasquez was the starting PG he put up equal to better numbers than Rajon Rondo did for the Celts when he was healthy that year. You make that trade str8 up? probably not. Probably not even today you make that trade str8 up. Numbers only go so far.

also this

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNyJw_PiJoU[/youtube]

it was earlier in the year and he has gotten better since then overall, toughness and size is still in question though and that's what the video exposes some of.

Yeah, I watched the video before. They've both been impressive at times that I've seen, and at times not all that impressive, but I haven't seen them a ton.

I knew Vazquez had pretty good assist numbers a couple years back, but didn't know he rebounded and had steals equal to Rondo. That must have been an impressive year for him. There is more info on guys like that though.

There is limited info vs top competition on Towns and Turner.

I'm mostly just playing devils advocate and not trying to prove Turner is as good or anything, but from what I gather from all your comments is that it basically just comes down to confidence and standing your ground against anyone....which are pretty big things when it comes to playing in the nba.

[Negrodamus]

Towns assist total doesn't show his elite passing. Its elite, and the best of all the bigmen in this draft.

How could you be so convinced he is that good of passer if he averages 1 assist a game? Because of high school?

The reason he doesn't average a bunch of assists per game is because that's not what Cal wants out of him. You know who else didn't have many assists per game at UK? Anthony Davis. Cal wants his incredibly talented big men to take high percentage shots near the basket. They are the finishers so to speak of the offense. Karl is quite good when facing up on offense and handles the ball fantastically for a 7ft, but you'd never know from watching our games because Cal isn't trying to showcase Towns, he's trying to win games.

KAT is a very, very good passer, but only shows it when the defense collapses on him.

[bwgood77]

Yeah. The OP explains it. This question is being asked because the person has never seen the players. Never seeing the player, does save a lot of time though. They should rank the prospects by PER...

I've seen them, just sparingly. I guess PER does separate them though. 4th vs 43rd.

[DickGrayson]

Towns assist total doesn't show his elite passing. Its elite, and the best of all the bigmen in this draft.

How could you be so convinced he is that good of passer if he averages 1 assist a game? Because of high school?

Towns is a great passer. If you watch him play, he has great court vision behind his back, always find an open guy and forces defenders to play on their toes. is assist % if Kentucky had more outside shooters.

[Justwar]

Turner comes down to he is awful against good competition and great vs poor. Simple as that.

[Dcebucks11]

Okafor can score but i question his rebounding at the next level and especially his defense. He moves so slow on that end.. Towns defense is just so much better, his offense is a work in progress tho, he's done a good job against inferior smaller competition like his last game but I wonder if he can play against size. I haven't seen many games of Towns tho .

[Marcus]

Okafor can score but i question his rebounding at the next level and especially his defense. He moves so slow on that end.. Towns defense is just so much better, his offense is a work in progress tho, he's done a good job against inferior smaller competition like his last game but I wonder if he can play against size. I haven't seen many games of Towns tho .

I'm guessing you meant to post this in the other thread.

[cedric76]

I love Turner ' s ceiling, this kid could be very special